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yourwhiteshadow
United States442 Posts
On November 20 2011 05:28 FabledIntegral wrote: Where are you finding 8GB of RAM for $20? Maybe you'll find that once or twice a year, tops. On sale, like black friday, or some promo. go to slickdeals. in the past 2 weeks there were a dozen deals for 8 gb ddr3 1600 for $25-30, i bought a pair in fact. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 20 2011 06:53 yourwhiteshadow wrote: go to slickdeals. in the past 2 weeks there were a dozen deals for 8 gb ddr3 1600 for $25-30, i bought a pair in fact. I see them for $30 all the time, but $20 =! $30. | ||
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yourwhiteshadow
United States442 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:18 FabledIntegral wrote: I see them for $30 all the time, but $20 =! $30. depends what speed you want too. i've seen plenty 1066 for $20, recently though the 1600 @ 1.65V has been steady at around $25. are we gonna start nickle and diming? | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
You can probably stream 1600: 900 resolution, it won't be 1080 but it will be very good quality. Phenoms x6 are good processors and you can stream very high resolutions. You would need a nice watercooler and a high end board to get it clocked high enough to possibly stream 1080. edit: Bulldozer is a nice chip in theory, but performance is pretty bad compared to 2500k and up. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
It is definitely a CPU bottleneck according to task manager, all 6 of my cores are spiking above 90% when I play SC2 or DotA2. They rise and fall at about the same rate. My framerate is okay about half of the time, but these spikes cause noticeable stuttering on my stream, I tested this thoroughly. I don't have any other programs running, so yeah, not sure what else I can try. My video card is a GTX460, but I don't think that would have anything to do with the high CPU usage? On November 20 2011 05:44 alokin wrote: hey there, I have a AMD phenom x4 clocked to 4.20 GHz and a upload speed of 5mb/s and I am able to stream 1080p StarCraft II and League of Legends. X-Split settings are bitrates at 2900kb/s fps is at 15 resolution obviously 1920x1080 I really think the reason is people try to stream at too high of a FPS on AMD CPU's and they just can't pull it off for a 1080p stream.. Here's a sample of my stream: alokinTV Thanks, I watched a couple of your VODs and it appears you're getting the same stuttering as me. My viewers claimed it's fairly unwatchable, and I would tend to agree. My stuttering is a little worse, but you've got a little better bitrate and CPU power than me. I receive stuttering even at 5fps, so it's definitely the resolution and not the fps causing the issue. Consensus seems to be that I should just go i7, so maybe I'll open up donations! Thanks everyone. | ||
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alokin
Canada269 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:03 Cel.erity wrote: Hi guys, thanks for all the replies. It is definitely a CPU bottleneck according to task manager, all 6 of my cores are spiking above 90% when I play SC2 or DotA2. They rise and fall at about the same rate. My framerate is okay about half of the time, but these spikes cause noticeable stuttering on my stream, I tested this thoroughly. I don't have any other programs running, so yeah, not sure what else I can try. My video card is a GTX460, but I don't think that would have anything to do with the high CPU usage? Thanks, I watched a couple of your VODs and it appears you're getting the same stuttering as me. My viewers claimed it's fairly unwatchable, and I would tend to agree. My stuttering is a little worse, but you've got a little better bitrate and CPU power than me. I receive stuttering even at 5fps, so it's definitely the resolution and not the fps causing the issue. Consensus seems to be that I should just go i7, so maybe I'll open up donations! Thanks everyone. yeah I'm watching it right now and it is not that smooth. However, atleast for me, my SC2 seems to run smooth. Maybe check this one out: http://www.twitch.tv/alokin1/b/287682206 | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:53 Boblhead wrote: A friend of mine did some benchmarks for h.264 rendering with a 8150 @ 5ghz watercooled, and it beat out his other phenom x6 1055.. If you have the right mobo w/ AM3+ capability and you have like $350 you can get a 1080p stream probably, you sure do have the bandwidth. Not all bulldozer chips will reach 5ghz stable, he just got a good chip i guess. You can probably stream 1600: 900 resolution, it won't be 1080 but it will be very good quality. Phenoms x6 are good processors and you can stream very high resolutions. You would need a nice watercooler and a high end board to get it clocked high enough to possibly stream 1080. edit: Bulldozer is a nice chip in theory, but performance is pretty bad compared to 2500k and up. i still hope a cpu that costs 2.5 the price of the other is better .... otherwise where would the world be going | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
On November 20 2011 09:01 Rachnar wrote: i still hope a cpu that costs 2.5 the price of the other is better .... otherwise where would the world be going you still have the extremely expensive socket 775 cpus that still cost $200+ for a quad core | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:51 yourwhiteshadow wrote: depends what speed you want too. i've seen plenty 1066 for $20, recently though the 1600 @ 1.65V has been steady at around $25. are we gonna start nickle and diming? It's not nickel and diming when you're saying you can get something for a price when you can't. Prices for 1333 memory, which you should want 1333 or 1600 if you mobo, are almost always $40, sometimes on sale, but I've never seen it down to $20 except once or twice. We're talking a 25% price increase difference. Also, SB isn't very fond of 1.65V, and usually the cheaper RAM is 1.65V. | ||
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h0oTiS
United States101 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:03 Cel.erity wrote: Hi guys, thanks for all the replies. It is definitely a CPU bottleneck according to task manager, all 6 of my cores are spiking above 90% when I play SC2 or DotA2. They rise and fall at about the same rate. My framerate is okay about half of the time, but these spikes cause noticeable stuttering on my stream, I tested this thoroughly. I don't have any other programs running, so yeah, not sure what else I can try. My video card is a GTX460, but I don't think that would have anything to do with the high CPU usage? Thanks, I watched a couple of your VODs and it appears you're getting the same stuttering as me. My viewers claimed it's fairly unwatchable, and I would tend to agree. My stuttering is a little worse, but you've got a little better bitrate and CPU power than me. I receive stuttering even at 5fps, so it's definitely the resolution and not the fps causing the issue. Consensus seems to be that I should just go i7, so maybe I'll open up donations! Thanks everyone. no he actually has less cpu power than you, and im almost completely certain that its your internet connection, also if your streaming on twitch without a pro account then your not garenteed a great connection when above 720p and the CPU IS NOT THE PROBLEM | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
1. Are you sure your CPU is functioning properly. Just because it shows all your CPU cores are working at 90% doesn't mean it's actually working at 90% of its capability. We've all seen some instances in this forum (and others) where people's multipliers have gotten locked. So CPU-Z shows it's working at 90% of that locked multiplier. TL:DR - Verify that the max Frequency is actually at 4.0Ghz by using prime95, and that all cores are working as they should, without failing and within temperature specs. 2. As already noted, make sure your internet connection can handle your stream. Even if your equipment is capable of streaming at certain settings, having an internet connection bottleneck will cause big issues. Check speedtest.net and verify your upload speed is adequate. 3. Make sure you're using proper in-game and streaming settings. If you're playing at Extreme/Ultra everything and trying to stream at 1080p, it's no wonder you're lagging. I would shoot for High settings in-game and moderate 720p settings for your stream. Don't know why this wasn't linked yet but: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220584 More information on streams. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
I wouldn't worry too much about 720p vs 1080p. Most people would say it's hardly worth $300+ to get an upgrade (and, with the set-up you have right now, it would serve no purpose other than bumping up stream quality, unless you really want super high-end settings in games). | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
To draw alot of viewers you cant really have any higher bitrate than 1500 kbit, and that makes 1080 not look in fullscreen. 720 is alot better, alot less stressfull for your cpu and better picture. If you are partner though, i would go for 3000+ bitrate and 1080 ofcourse. But requires insane hardware for a smooth stream. My I7-960 @ 4GHz cant do it. | ||
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lyrlian
Netherlands257 Posts
I use an x4 980BE overclocked to 4.0. 4gb mem (1333mhz), and a 6950 2gb. I am upgrading to an i5 2500k and 8gb 1600mhz with a 6950. Because I am not happy with how my stream looks. Too choppy in general, low fps during SC2 (quality 8 I stream on btw 1080p) when on high settings. But I usually get very good feedback on how my stream looks. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On November 21 2011 02:33 h0oTiS wrote: [...] if your streaming on twitch without a pro account then your not garenteed a great connection when above 720p [...] What's your source on this statement? I strongly doubt it - here's why: Partner or not, how would Twitch.tv ever guarantee such a thing? They flick a switch? No, they cannot control what happens on the internet from your computer to their servers. Secondly, why then are non-partners able to do 1080p - they're just lucky?  | ||
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mothergoose729
United States666 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On November 21 2011 17:58 mothergoose729 wrote: I used to stream with the same processor. The problems I had were all related to bandwidth, and not the power of the CPU itself. More then likely, that is your issue. For encoding purposes, the phenom processors are more then capable of real time encoding at 1080p. I am leaning toward this as well. Phenom 2's are slower clock for clock but having 4 Phenom II cores at 4GHz encoding the stream and still having these issues almost certainly means the problem is the upload connection. | ||
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zokker13
Germany77 Posts
I've got a Quad Core (about 90€ a year ago). Feel free to pm me, I'll help. :> | ||
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