EPTFrom all the research I've done, practically every 1080p streamer uses an i7, but I'm not willing to spend $300+new mobo. Do you guys think http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996 would work, or is there anyone here who streams 1080p with an AMD CPU who can give me some tips?
Streaming 1080p with AMD?
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
From all the research I've done, practically every 1080p streamer uses an i7, but I'm not willing to spend $300+new mobo. Do you guys think http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996 would work, or is there anyone here who streams 1080p with an AMD CPU who can give me some tips? | ||
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Manex
Australia156 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
If you want to spend a little more on the high end 4 module Bulldozer, you will, at worst, get lower performance than your Phenom II and at best, barely match the stock i7 2600. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20294 Posts
On November 20 2011 03:33 mahnini wrote: how do you know it's a cpu bottleneck? On the slower Xsplit presets (way heavier compression than standard) I can max my i7 @4ghz and lag stream even without sc2 running (and 2 cores dedicated to it) | ||
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FlyingLigerz
United States163 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-set-processor-affinity-to-an-application-in-windows/ set SC2 to the first two cores, xsplit to the remaining cores | ||
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DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
I have the same processor but have trouble to get a stable oc running on 3.99 GHz now. (Care so share your OC with me ? PM Please  )Streaming at 1600x1200 on 7-8 quality preset works fine here. Tough i have a high upload i am using 5 Mb/s for the stream. here a vod on the quality ![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1601478102.png) | ||
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strength
United States493 Posts
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yourwhiteshadow
United States442 Posts
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
*If* you have a decent spare computer it's "only" ~180$ for something like these http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 20 2011 05:18 yourwhiteshadow wrote: if you live near a microcenter you can get an i5-2500k + mobo for $220 and 8 gb of ram these days is dirt cheap ($20 AR). seriously, there isn't much more you can do. Where are you finding 8GB of RAM for $20? Maybe you'll find that once or twice a year, tops. On sale, like black friday, or some promo. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Phenom II x6 at 4ghz is pretty good, apart from that you can upgrade to 2600k or 2700k, bulldozer won't do anything. If you think even that won't be enough you're free to go for 3930K but that costs alot. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 20 2011 05:28 Shikyo wrote: 2500k wouldn't help with streaming. Phenom II x6 at 4ghz is pretty good, apart from that you can upgrade to 2600k or 2700k, bulldozer won't do anything. If you think even that won't be enough you're free to go for 3930K but that costs alot. A 2500k is nearly as good as a 2600k for streaming, is it not? I believe a 2500k would definitely help streaming when OC'd. | ||
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h0oTiS
United States101 Posts
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On November 20 2011 00:21 Cel.erity wrote: Hi guys, I currently have a Phenom II x6 Black OC'ed to 4.0GHz. Sometimes I get CPU bottlenecked when trying to stream at 1080p through XSplit, so I was thinking about upgrading. From all the research I've done, practically every 1080p streamer uses an i7, but I'm not willing to spend $300+new mobo. Do you guys think http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996 would work, or is there anyone here who streams 1080p with an AMD CPU who can give me some tips? There is no possible way you're getting a CPU bottleneck. I use a 3.5GHz Phenom II X6 to stream 1080p and I have zero issues at all. Last I checked I don't even break 70% CPU with Battlefield 3 going. Your bottleneck/issue is somewhere else. | ||
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alokin
Canada269 Posts
I have a AMD phenom x4 clocked to 4.20 GHz and a upload speed of 5mb/s and I am able to stream 1080p StarCraft II and League of Legends. X-Split settings are bitrates at 2900kb/s fps is at 15 resolution obviously 1920x1080 I really think the reason is people try to stream at too high of a FPS on AMD CPU's and they just can't pull it off for a 1080p stream.. Here's a sample of my stream: alokinTV | ||
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h0oTiS
United States101 Posts
On November 20 2011 05:44 alokin wrote: hey there, I have a AMD phenom x4 clocked to 4.20 GHz and a upload speed of 5mb/s and I am able to stream 1080p StarCraft II and League of Legends. X-Split settings are bitrates at 2900kb/s fps is at 15 resolution obviously 1920x1080 I really think the reason is people try to stream at too high of a FPS on AMD CPU's and they just can't pull it off for a 1080p stream.. Here's a sample of my stream: alokinTV your not streaming at 15 fps thats not even watchable | ||
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alokin
Canada269 Posts
On November 20 2011 05:47 h0oTiS wrote: your not streaming at 15 fps thats not even watchable No I'm only lying for fun. | ||
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StuartLove
Germany267 Posts
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yourwhiteshadow
United States442 Posts
On November 20 2011 05:28 FabledIntegral wrote: Where are you finding 8GB of RAM for $20? Maybe you'll find that once or twice a year, tops. On sale, like black friday, or some promo. go to slickdeals. in the past 2 weeks there were a dozen deals for 8 gb ddr3 1600 for $25-30, i bought a pair in fact. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 20 2011 06:53 yourwhiteshadow wrote: go to slickdeals. in the past 2 weeks there were a dozen deals for 8 gb ddr3 1600 for $25-30, i bought a pair in fact. I see them for $30 all the time, but $20 =! $30. | ||
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yourwhiteshadow
United States442 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:18 FabledIntegral wrote: I see them for $30 all the time, but $20 =! $30. depends what speed you want too. i've seen plenty 1066 for $20, recently though the 1600 @ 1.65V has been steady at around $25. are we gonna start nickle and diming? | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
You can probably stream 1600: 900 resolution, it won't be 1080 but it will be very good quality. Phenoms x6 are good processors and you can stream very high resolutions. You would need a nice watercooler and a high end board to get it clocked high enough to possibly stream 1080. edit: Bulldozer is a nice chip in theory, but performance is pretty bad compared to 2500k and up. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
It is definitely a CPU bottleneck according to task manager, all 6 of my cores are spiking above 90% when I play SC2 or DotA2. They rise and fall at about the same rate. My framerate is okay about half of the time, but these spikes cause noticeable stuttering on my stream, I tested this thoroughly. I don't have any other programs running, so yeah, not sure what else I can try. My video card is a GTX460, but I don't think that would have anything to do with the high CPU usage? On November 20 2011 05:44 alokin wrote: hey there, I have a AMD phenom x4 clocked to 4.20 GHz and a upload speed of 5mb/s and I am able to stream 1080p StarCraft II and League of Legends. X-Split settings are bitrates at 2900kb/s fps is at 15 resolution obviously 1920x1080 I really think the reason is people try to stream at too high of a FPS on AMD CPU's and they just can't pull it off for a 1080p stream.. Here's a sample of my stream: alokinTV Thanks, I watched a couple of your VODs and it appears you're getting the same stuttering as me. My viewers claimed it's fairly unwatchable, and I would tend to agree. My stuttering is a little worse, but you've got a little better bitrate and CPU power than me. I receive stuttering even at 5fps, so it's definitely the resolution and not the fps causing the issue. Consensus seems to be that I should just go i7, so maybe I'll open up donations! Thanks everyone. | ||
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alokin
Canada269 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:03 Cel.erity wrote: Hi guys, thanks for all the replies. It is definitely a CPU bottleneck according to task manager, all 6 of my cores are spiking above 90% when I play SC2 or DotA2. They rise and fall at about the same rate. My framerate is okay about half of the time, but these spikes cause noticeable stuttering on my stream, I tested this thoroughly. I don't have any other programs running, so yeah, not sure what else I can try. My video card is a GTX460, but I don't think that would have anything to do with the high CPU usage? Thanks, I watched a couple of your VODs and it appears you're getting the same stuttering as me. My viewers claimed it's fairly unwatchable, and I would tend to agree. My stuttering is a little worse, but you've got a little better bitrate and CPU power than me. I receive stuttering even at 5fps, so it's definitely the resolution and not the fps causing the issue. Consensus seems to be that I should just go i7, so maybe I'll open up donations! Thanks everyone. yeah I'm watching it right now and it is not that smooth. However, atleast for me, my SC2 seems to run smooth. Maybe check this one out: http://www.twitch.tv/alokin1/b/287682206 | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:53 Boblhead wrote: A friend of mine did some benchmarks for h.264 rendering with a 8150 @ 5ghz watercooled, and it beat out his other phenom x6 1055.. If you have the right mobo w/ AM3+ capability and you have like $350 you can get a 1080p stream probably, you sure do have the bandwidth. Not all bulldozer chips will reach 5ghz stable, he just got a good chip i guess. You can probably stream 1600: 900 resolution, it won't be 1080 but it will be very good quality. Phenoms x6 are good processors and you can stream very high resolutions. You would need a nice watercooler and a high end board to get it clocked high enough to possibly stream 1080. edit: Bulldozer is a nice chip in theory, but performance is pretty bad compared to 2500k and up. i still hope a cpu that costs 2.5 the price of the other is better .... otherwise where would the world be going | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
On November 20 2011 09:01 Rachnar wrote: i still hope a cpu that costs 2.5 the price of the other is better .... otherwise where would the world be going you still have the extremely expensive socket 775 cpus that still cost $200+ for a quad core | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:51 yourwhiteshadow wrote: depends what speed you want too. i've seen plenty 1066 for $20, recently though the 1600 @ 1.65V has been steady at around $25. are we gonna start nickle and diming? It's not nickel and diming when you're saying you can get something for a price when you can't. Prices for 1333 memory, which you should want 1333 or 1600 if you mobo, are almost always $40, sometimes on sale, but I've never seen it down to $20 except once or twice. We're talking a 25% price increase difference. Also, SB isn't very fond of 1.65V, and usually the cheaper RAM is 1.65V. | ||
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h0oTiS
United States101 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:03 Cel.erity wrote: Hi guys, thanks for all the replies. It is definitely a CPU bottleneck according to task manager, all 6 of my cores are spiking above 90% when I play SC2 or DotA2. They rise and fall at about the same rate. My framerate is okay about half of the time, but these spikes cause noticeable stuttering on my stream, I tested this thoroughly. I don't have any other programs running, so yeah, not sure what else I can try. My video card is a GTX460, but I don't think that would have anything to do with the high CPU usage? Thanks, I watched a couple of your VODs and it appears you're getting the same stuttering as me. My viewers claimed it's fairly unwatchable, and I would tend to agree. My stuttering is a little worse, but you've got a little better bitrate and CPU power than me. I receive stuttering even at 5fps, so it's definitely the resolution and not the fps causing the issue. Consensus seems to be that I should just go i7, so maybe I'll open up donations! Thanks everyone. no he actually has less cpu power than you, and im almost completely certain that its your internet connection, also if your streaming on twitch without a pro account then your not garenteed a great connection when above 720p and the CPU IS NOT THE PROBLEM | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
1. Are you sure your CPU is functioning properly. Just because it shows all your CPU cores are working at 90% doesn't mean it's actually working at 90% of its capability. We've all seen some instances in this forum (and others) where people's multipliers have gotten locked. So CPU-Z shows it's working at 90% of that locked multiplier. TL:DR - Verify that the max Frequency is actually at 4.0Ghz by using prime95, and that all cores are working as they should, without failing and within temperature specs. 2. As already noted, make sure your internet connection can handle your stream. Even if your equipment is capable of streaming at certain settings, having an internet connection bottleneck will cause big issues. Check speedtest.net and verify your upload speed is adequate. 3. Make sure you're using proper in-game and streaming settings. If you're playing at Extreme/Ultra everything and trying to stream at 1080p, it's no wonder you're lagging. I would shoot for High settings in-game and moderate 720p settings for your stream. Don't know why this wasn't linked yet but: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220584 More information on streams. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
I wouldn't worry too much about 720p vs 1080p. Most people would say it's hardly worth $300+ to get an upgrade (and, with the set-up you have right now, it would serve no purpose other than bumping up stream quality, unless you really want super high-end settings in games). | ||
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jacosajh
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
To draw alot of viewers you cant really have any higher bitrate than 1500 kbit, and that makes 1080 not look in fullscreen. 720 is alot better, alot less stressfull for your cpu and better picture. If you are partner though, i would go for 3000+ bitrate and 1080 ofcourse. But requires insane hardware for a smooth stream. My I7-960 @ 4GHz cant do it. | ||
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lyrlian
Netherlands257 Posts
I use an x4 980BE overclocked to 4.0. 4gb mem (1333mhz), and a 6950 2gb. I am upgrading to an i5 2500k and 8gb 1600mhz with a 6950. Because I am not happy with how my stream looks. Too choppy in general, low fps during SC2 (quality 8 I stream on btw 1080p) when on high settings. But I usually get very good feedback on how my stream looks. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On November 21 2011 02:33 h0oTiS wrote: [...] if your streaming on twitch without a pro account then your not garenteed a great connection when above 720p [...] What's your source on this statement? I strongly doubt it - here's why: Partner or not, how would Twitch.tv ever guarantee such a thing? They flick a switch? No, they cannot control what happens on the internet from your computer to their servers. Secondly, why then are non-partners able to do 1080p - they're just lucky? | ||
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mothergoose729
United States666 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On November 21 2011 17:58 mothergoose729 wrote: I used to stream with the same processor. The problems I had were all related to bandwidth, and not the power of the CPU itself. More then likely, that is your issue. For encoding purposes, the phenom processors are more then capable of real time encoding at 1080p. I am leaning toward this as well. Phenom 2's are slower clock for clock but having 4 Phenom II cores at 4GHz encoding the stream and still having these issues almost certainly means the problem is the upload connection. | ||
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zokker13
Germany77 Posts
I've got a Quad Core (about 90€ a year ago). Feel free to pm me, I'll help. :> | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20294 Posts
A lot of people stream @1080p, but ive never seen it done without quite notable blurring and sometimes stuttering during 200/200 battles with shit getting thrown around, the exception being probably Destiny's stream, but i cant watch that @1080 with 7mbit download because it is aparantly insufficient. The 6 core would allow you to dedicate 4 cores to encoding instead of 2, and result in much better quality for much lower bitrate output | ||
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AnDa1120
Canada472 Posts
On November 21 2011 03:50 lyrlian wrote: Sup guys. Here's my stream. http://nl.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/300096838 I use an x4 980BE overclocked to 4.0. 4gb mem (1333mhz), and a 6950 2gb. I am upgrading to an i5 2500k and 8gb 1600mhz with a 6950. Because I am not happy with how my stream looks. Too choppy in general, low fps during SC2 (quality 8 I stream on btw 1080p) when on high settings. But I usually get very good feedback on how my stream looks. Hey nice, how good is your upload? Looking to get that CPU. | ||
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StuartLove
Germany267 Posts
Thats the difference why his one rox and the others stutter. | ||
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lyrlian
Netherlands257 Posts
On November 23 2011 06:19 Kilos wrote: Hey nice, how good is your upload? Looking to get that CPU. My upload is 15mbps on speedtest.net My advice: DONT GET AN AMD TO STREAM WITH. Maybe the new bulldozer ones, but imo the 70$ extra for an i5 2500k is EASILY worth it. | ||
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