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Sverigevader
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden388 Posts
October 03 2013 21:24 GMT
#7801
Stupid and probably obvious question: Would an 8 pin male to 8 pin female extension cable for a GPU work with a 6+2 pin cable coming from a PSU?

So that's this cable coming from the PSU:

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Going into this cable:

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Which then goes into the GPU
"I can answer this, you're just a god damn sexy mofo." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829&currentpage=7#139
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 03 2013 21:26 GMT
#7802
Yes, but why do you even need an PCIe extension cable? =\
Sverigevader
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden388 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 21:30:47
October 03 2013 21:26 GMT
#7803
Because colour

Edit: And length because of how I want to route my cables.
"I can answer this, you're just a god damn sexy mofo." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829&currentpage=7#139
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
October 04 2013 01:15 GMT
#7804
On October 03 2013 14:52 Cyro wrote:
Why the face? :0

Because you're always up to something in that vein, it was a face of mock disapproval.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 04 2013 02:26 GMT
#7805
Of course it's because he's a big meanie to computer hardware, especially CPUs. Think of the poor little transistors.
pcpatchers
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia10 Posts
October 04 2013 11:59 GMT
#7806
--- Nuked ---
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 05 2013 00:57 GMT
#7807
4770K is superior to the 3770K. And iirc 3570K is also about equivalent to 3770K for SC2.
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TechTornado
Profile Joined December 2010
27 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-05 02:23:59
October 05 2013 02:09 GMT
#7808
Hi Guys!

Long story short, just upgraded PC happy with it, now thinking of trade-up to an Alienware 18 for mobility since I am out of the house 85% of the time during the day and quite frequently travelling out of town/country for work. Will be great to be gaming on the go

PC:
I5-2500k OCed to 4.3Ghz
EVGA GTX690
8Gb Ram 1333mhz (4x 2gb no more slots in mobo)
1 TB HDD + 128 SSD
Nothing has warranty left except GTX690 (18mths) and SSD (23mths)
Aftermarket cooled to max 60C CPU and 70C GPU at load
23" Monitor

to

Alienware 18
i7-4930mx
GTX780m SLI
32Gb Ram 1600mhz
1TB SSD Quad Play RAID 0
11 months left warranty
Don't know about load temps

It will be a 1500-1800USD trade up
By Trade-up I mean selling the PC part by part and adding cash to the sales
I live in a place where second hand parts sell high

Am I looking forward to any performance improvement? Do you think the money will be well worth it in terms of item value?
I am not looking forward to PC + Laptop combo as I would love to manage the data in one spot


Thank you in advance
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-05 04:13:41
October 05 2013 04:11 GMT
#7809
The performance will be significantly lower at the same resolution, although I don't know by how much. Most games will be very playable. However, and I have a friend who didn't listen to me when I told him that but it's a VERY BIG DEAL. Laptops 17 inches and over are not actually portable, let alone the ones with SLI video cards. Those computers are VERY big and surprisingly heavy to actually carry. At first you may have it in your hands and feel like you'll be fine, but you can't. It has a massive power brick, it's quite possibly loud even at idle, it's heavy over extended periods of time, it requires a large bag...

It's good if you'll carry it from house to hotel room and you'll be sitting there for a while, but you don't want to lug a 18inch SLI notebook to meetings or places like that. It's wide, tall and thick.

Those laptops work as semi-portable gaming stations where you can move it from place to play but you don't want to carry it all day.

So in a sense, it's good for your uses... but whenever you go out, you'll want to have a more portable laptop. And again, I want to stress that I'm not kidding. A while ago, I had a friend who asked me a similar question and despite my warnings, he ended up buying a 17.3" laptop (not even a heavy gaming thing - just a large mainstream laptop). For a week or so, his ego had him carrying the thing around. But after a week, it was just sitting on his work desk and he was bringing paper and pen to class. He was a tall, large guy, too. But 17.3" is a big hunk of tech.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
October 05 2013 04:21 GMT
#7810
Alienware is overpriced Dell "stuff".

I would honestly recommend a MSI laptop over Alienware - http://www.msimobile.com/level2_productlist.aspx?id=6

Asus has some decent "desktop replacements" as well.

THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 05 2013 04:56 GMT
#7811
So I am looking to get a water cooler for my i5 2500k that wouldn't be to difficult to install. I would like to be able to overclock preferably to at least 4.2 if possible and not have to spend to much.
My mother board is an Asrock P67 if you need that.

Would prefer not to spend more then 60$ if possible, but I will take a look at anything. Would prefer something that isn't a pain in the ass to put in also.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-05 05:29:05
October 05 2013 05:28 GMT
#7812
On October 05 2013 13:56 blade55555 wrote:
So I am looking to get a water cooler for my i5 2500k that wouldn't be to difficult to install. I would like to be able to overclock preferably to at least 4.2 if possible and not have to spend to much.
My mother board is an Asrock P67 if you need that.

Would prefer not to spend more then 60$ if possible, but I will take a look at anything. Would prefer something that isn't a pain in the ass to put in also.

CLCs are very noisy and expensive compared to air coolers. A cheap $20-30 air cooler will is sufficient for any 2500k to reach 4.4/4.5GHz easily. Are you sure you want a CLC?

Although you might need to remove the motherboard for a backplate mounting i suppose with air.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 05 2013 06:13 GMT
#7813
Most of the good heatsinks (even liquid) require a backplate so if your case does not have an adequately sized CPU backplate cutout than it's going to be a big pita to install. Installing the radiator is also an additional step and may be difficult as well depending on your case.

Closed loop water cooling just fucking suck. You pay a premium for them being small, not because they perform better.
TechTornado
Profile Joined December 2010
27 Posts
October 05 2013 09:24 GMT
#7814
On October 05 2013 13:56 blade55555 wrote:
So I am looking to get a water cooler for my i5 2500k that wouldn't be to difficult to install. I would like to be able to overclock preferably to at least 4.2 if possible and not have to spend to much.
My mother board is an Asrock P67 if you need that.

Would prefer not to spend more then 60$ if possible, but I will take a look at anything. Would prefer something that isn't a pain in the ass to put in also.


Hi man I have the same exact processor as you and from my personal experience it is not necessary to watercool for OC to 4.2ghz. An aftermarket fan cooler is enough, cheap and they are easy to install too

I am sitting at 60C max under load at 4.3ghz

Hope this helps
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-05 11:23:52
October 05 2013 09:34 GMT
#7815
"Water" is just kinda inferior to air unless you either have big size concerns, or a lot of money.

Also, i'm not sure on sandy bridge voltage curves. If it's anything like ivy bridge and haswell, 4.2 is basically stock voltage. Intel could sell the chips at 4ghz if they wanted to.

So many misconceptions it's pretty funny, people in general seem to hear $500 of custom water equipment = better than $50 air cooler, and associate the cheap closed loop liquid coolers with extremely loud stock fans with them, h80i for example costs 1.5x as much as high end air here. It's significantly worse, on the order of >10c worse temperatures while the fans make 37dba of noise each compared to the 21dba each of the fan models i have on my Silver Arrow. I don't know the decibel scale very well, but it's not at all linear

Custom water is good, expensive and somewhat complex.

Closed loop coolers, on the low end, are only sold because of strict size restrictions or uninformed customers, and on the high end, for people who want to spend 2.5x as much as high end air for a slight improvement in temperatures with their own fans. Maybe the market is less harsh on them in the US, but they have little place, and certainly don't belong on stock voltage sandy bridge

The Hyper212 heatsink took off somewhat because you could OC sandy bridge and some other CPU's well with it cheaply. $20 for ~4.3 - 4.7ghz normal i think people were doing, something along those lines, and significantly stronger cooling at less noise is available if you want to pay a chunk more than $20, it's just typically not liquid-based unless you're in a micro-atx case or want to scale cooling past $100 for the highest end overclock reasonably 24/7 achievable without your own custom loop
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 05 2013 16:38 GMT
#7816
I don't think Intel could put the i5 at 4 ghz because of temperature issues with how shitty their stock fan is xD.

I did buy a vortex cooler master plus yesterday and didn't make much of a difference, but I think I know why and am going to fix that right now and hope that makes more of a difference.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-05 16:50:59
October 05 2013 16:44 GMT
#7817
Sandy bridge runs cool with low-mid tier cooling.

At 1.3vcore, sandy is like 30c cooler than Haswell which is ridiculous. If you have temperature issues on anything that is worth much at all, then you probably have it mounted incorrectly or an issue like that.

That cooler you mentioned is low profile w/ a 92mm fan so it'd be a lot worse than the 212+ that people used to get all the time for $20-25

4ghz is easy, the majority of CPU's can actually clock to 4ghz and run COOLER than stock because they don't need the overly aggressive voltages that intel often sets, and voltage is way way more important than clock speed for heat

I've got two CPU's (one ivy bridge one haswell) one of them will do 4.2ghz on 1.07vcore (i swear i'm gonna put a h100 on this thing), the other will do 4.0 on it. Both CPU's use about 1.15vcore for stock settings + turbo boost, so they'd actually draw more power and get hotter while on the stock settings, than low overclock

the first part of overclock is just pushing and getting rid of the voltage headroom you have, because you can clock up a bit, sometimes a lot, without raising voltage or really heat. After that, you've got some more headroom with reasonable voltage increases, then somewhat of a wall where you need more voltage per 100mhz but can still push a bit further, at least with ivy bridge and Haswell. Sandy might be different, but it's not a difficult CPU to overclock nor hot at all compared to newer stuff with the IHS issues
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
October 05 2013 21:39 GMT
#7818
Meanwhile I just tried 3.2 on a A6-3670k (2.7 stock @ 1.41v) and it outright corrupted Windows boot. Yea I'm jelly.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
October 06 2013 01:16 GMT
#7819
On October 06 2013 06:39 Soap wrote:
Meanwhile I just tried 3.2 on a A6-3670k (2.7 stock @ 1.41v) and it outright corrupted Windows boot. Yea I'm jelly.

Those 4.0 mentioned aren't much higher than normal speeds on those CPUs. They run up to 3.8 (i5) or 3.9 (i7) at turbo speeds. That means they have the required voltages for those speeds tested and programmed into them at the factory, giving them a very good chance to run 4.0 fine without adding voltage.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 06 2013 02:08 GMT
#7820
Ah just wanted to say ended up somehow destroying my motherboard when going in to redo my fail. Sigh anyone got any good recommendations for my system specs:

gtx 760
i5 2500k
8 gigs ddr3 1600mhz ram

For anyone curious ended up not able to boot my machine, machine fans would spin for .1 seconds and just auto shut off. Tried different power supply same thing, tried all sorts of things. Think I am just going to be happy with stock settings from now on lol.
When I think of something else, something will go here
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