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vaL4r
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany240 Posts
April 26 2013 10:19 GMT
#6341
I'm playing on a weak laptop on the lowest of settings and I can't see hostile mines at all when burrowed.What change in settings, variables or other, has the least impact on performance and lets me see them?
You need to play starcraft with a light heart. If you play with a heavy heart, you can't win. -NaDa
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 16:29:15
April 26 2013 16:28 GMT
#6342
On April 26 2013 12:47 Belial88 wrote:
Apparently overclocking haswell to 4.8-5 is easy but it's easy on ivy too as long as you delid. Not sure if there's any more potential in haswell or it's just the chips are binned more consistently.

It doesn't look like haswell will be a big increase at all, although a bigger difference than sandy to ivy.


Source?

On April 26 2013 19:19 vaL4r wrote:
I'm playing on a weak laptop on the lowest of settings and I can't see hostile mines at all when burrowed.What change in settings, variables or other, has the least impact on performance and lets me see them?


Tried Textures? What about Shaders medium? You might need Models on high instead of low, which requires some working to force on low shaders, but you can enable them at medium. Run through them one at a time until you find the culprit. It will probably be Models
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
April 26 2013 18:16 GMT
#6343
Everyone is just openly speculating from the Coolaler forum posts; there's not much else to look at.
With no power comes no responsibility?
ZeratuLsc2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada426 Posts
April 27 2013 01:37 GMT
#6344
Does anybody have any experience with powerline networking? I'm currently using wireless, but I am some distance from the signal and sometimes I experience weak signal. I've been thinking of buying a powerline network adapter, but I really don't know anything about it and don't want to spend the money until I'm sure it's something that I actually want.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
April 27 2013 07:18 GMT
#6345
On April 27 2013 01:28 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 12:47 Belial88 wrote:
Apparently overclocking haswell to 4.8-5 is easy but it's easy on ivy too as long as you delid. Not sure if there's any more potential in haswell or it's just the chips are binned more consistently.

It doesn't look like haswell will be a big increase at all, although a bigger difference than sandy to ivy.


Source?

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 19:19 vaL4r wrote:
I'm playing on a weak laptop on the lowest of settings and I can't see hostile mines at all when burrowed.What change in settings, variables or other, has the least impact on performance and lets me see them?


Tried Textures? What about Shaders medium? You might need Models on high instead of low, which requires some working to force on low shaders, but you can enable them at medium. Run through them one at a time until you find the culprit. It will probably be Models


There's been some leaked information on haswell:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1385703/wcc-i7-4770k-vs-core-i7-3770k-benchmarks-leaked/0_100
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Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
April 27 2013 07:22 GMT
#6346
Ive got a real old 320g hdd to build an office computer and want to check it is functional.

Crystaldiskinfo says health is good, but it does make a clicking noise when moving files off it, should I be worried or is it no problem?
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
April 27 2013 07:25 GMT
#6347
That's what we call a dying hdd.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
April 27 2013 07:32 GMT
#6348
On April 27 2013 16:25 Belial88 wrote:
That's what we call a dying hdd.




I moved about 10 files of about 2g each off it, and it only clicked for one. Should I bin it and buy a new one or will it be able to soldier on?
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
April 27 2013 07:39 GMT
#6349
I have always RMA-ed my HDDs the second I heard something strange/out of the ordinary.
Go thru all the SMART data and run HDTach to confirm that the performance is still consistent with a working drive.
Just be prepared to be able to move things off in a hurry though.
With no power comes no responsibility?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 07:42:31
April 27 2013 07:41 GMT
#6350
If you have a backup scheme where you won't lose any work, you could try it if you want. I have a HDD that occasionally clicks, has a bunch of errors in its SMART data, and still works a few years later after this started happening.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
April 27 2013 07:43 GMT
#6351
On April 27 2013 16:39 mav451 wrote:
I have always RMA-ed my HDDs the second I heard something strange/out of the ordinary.
Go thru all the SMART data and run HDTach to confirm that the performance is still consistent with a working drive.
Just be prepared to be able to move things off in a hurry though.


Yeah this is years outside of warranty, do you have a good program to check SMART data with?

Because I just put a HDD I know is completely rooted in and crystaldiskmark says that is good as well.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
April 27 2013 08:29 GMT
#6352
I bring up HDTach b/c you want to ensure that your sequential read speeds are consistent throughout the drive. If it has extremely volatile peaks/valleys, then I would be particularly concerned.

I just use CrystalDiskInfo to check the SMART data. Make sure RAW values are set on 10 [DEC].
(Function >> Advanced Feature >> Raw Values >> 10 [DEC])
Here is an example of what that screen should look like:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
With no power comes no responsibility?
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 09:51:51
April 27 2013 08:45 GMT
#6353
On April 27 2013 17:29 mav451 wrote:
I bring up HDTach b/c you want to ensure that your sequential read speeds are consistent throughout the drive. If it has extremely volatile peaks/valleys, then I would be particularly concerned.

I just use CrystalDiskInfo to check the SMART data. Make sure RAW values are set on 10 [DEC].
(Function >> Advanced Feature >> Raw Values >> 10 [DEC])
Here is an example of what that screen should look like:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Thanks for the help

HD tach gives a pretty steady curve

That is what my computers HDD looks like, but this 320g hdd looks more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
April 27 2013 09:21 GMT
#6354
That HDD I mentioned that worked for years despite errors: it still looks much better than what you've shown. It only has a bunch of read errors, none of those other types of errors recorded in its SMART data.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 09:40:38
April 27 2013 09:37 GMT
#6355
On April 27 2013 17:45 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 17:29 mav451 wrote:
I bring up HDTach b/c you want to ensure that your sequential read speeds are consistent throughout the drive. If it has extremely volatile peaks/valleys, then I would be particularly concerned.

I just use CrystalDiskInfo to check the SMART data. Make sure RAW values are set on 10 [DEC].
(Function >> Advanced Feature >> Raw Values >> 10 [DEC])
Here is an example of what that screen should look like:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Thanks for the help

HD tach gives a pretty steady curve

That is what my computers HDD looks like, but this 320g hdd looks more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Hmm so I'm not as familiar with Seagates, but from what I'm reading the Read Error Rate should match Hardware ECC Recovered. I think there is some concern when those numbers don't match though (84M vs. 32M). Can another Seagate user chime in here?

Assuming you are not seeing significant symptoms during read/write operations, maybe it is still early to be concerned.
But my viewpoint, which has worked for over a decade, is to replace HDDs when there is a noticeable change in noise (quiet drive is suddenly loud) or performance (boot up takes longer, folder access is suddenly slow) or both. Up to you, but my policy is better safe than sorry.

Also Blaec - you need to link directly to your image, otherwise we need to manually copy the imgur link :p
+ Show Spoiler [Blaec's Seagate] +
[image loading]
With no power comes no responsibility?
bacoatc
Profile Joined November 2011
El Salvador26 Posts
April 27 2013 12:58 GMT
#6356
i have cooler master quickfire pro brown switch the problem is multimedia keys (f5-f9) doesnt work anymore when i press fn key to activate doesnt work but other functions like backlight work correctly how to fix ? thanks and sorry for my english
Never give up,just dream big and believe in yourself
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 13:42:19
April 27 2013 13:35 GMT
#6357
On April 27 2013 16:18 Belial88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 01:28 Cyro wrote:
On April 26 2013 12:47 Belial88 wrote:
Apparently overclocking haswell to 4.8-5 is easy but it's easy on ivy too as long as you delid. Not sure if there's any more potential in haswell or it's just the chips are binned more consistently.

It doesn't look like haswell will be a big increase at all, although a bigger difference than sandy to ivy.


Source?

On April 26 2013 19:19 vaL4r wrote:
I'm playing on a weak laptop on the lowest of settings and I can't see hostile mines at all when burrowed.What change in settings, variables or other, has the least impact on performance and lets me see them?


Tried Textures? What about Shaders medium? You might need Models on high instead of low, which requires some working to force on low shaders, but you can enable them at medium. Run through them one at a time until you find the culprit. It will probably be Models


There's been some leaked information on haswell:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1385703/wcc-i7-4770k-vs-core-i7-3770k-benchmarks-leaked/0_100


Yea dude i read that, but it does not really SAY anything at all

"Although the heating issue still exists on the Haswell processors, but its not as worse as Ivy Bridge’s TIM issue. It could possibly be an issue with the current engineering samples and could be fixed on the retail samples but the Ivy Bridge issue still hasn’t been fixed so far so we doubt Intel would do it again."

Fixed by delid? Just runs hotter period? Good info or not?

"The Core i7-4770K processor was tested on an un-disclosed Z87 motherboard due to NDA issues, it is mentioned that overclocking through BIOS is very detailed and users can easily reach 4.8 GHz – 5 GHz on air cooling"

Well no shit, you can do this with some ivy bridges.

Dude i helped OC before, he has 5ghz @1.285 bios on a hr-02 macho and two case fans, probably suboptimal paste/mount, and his temps were dipping below the 70's in prime with absolute max about 80c, at 5ghz. Is this a "Belial can get 5ghz" or "5ghz is easy so Belial has 5.6"? We have no idea

A few hundred mhz sounds so silly, but there's so much stuff we don't know, if it holds out to 5ghz, you have 8%ish increase in performance, but if it goes 5.4 on the high end, you're talking 17%.

Is 5ghz typical on 1.3v, or on 1.5? If it's 1.5, then the power draw will be like 60++% higher, with heat scaling with it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 20:07:55
April 27 2013 20:00 GMT
#6358
I don't know cyro, I only paid mind to the benchmark scores. It appears that Haswell will be twice the improvement that Ivy was to Sandy - which is small, but still something. For me it really depends on how they bin, it would be pretty dumb for me to go to haswell if the majority of haswells only go to 4.5ghz like they do with sandy and ivy, but if the lowest binned chips can hit 4.8ghz than it'd be worthwhile for me.

On April 27 2013 21:58 bacoatc wrote:
i have cooler master quickfire pro brown switch the problem is multimedia keys (f5-f9) doesnt work anymore when i press fn key to activate doesnt work but other functions like backlight work correctly how to fix ? thanks and sorry for my english


As in, it used to work? I'd test it on another computer to be sure, but just RMA it. Coolermaster will do it no problem (they may even do an advanced RMA, just ask). CM has great support, although they are slow in my experience.

On April 27 2013 16:32 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 16:25 Belial88 wrote:
That's what we call a dying hdd.




I moved about 10 files of about 2g each off it, and it only clicked for one. Should I bin it and buy a new one or will it be able to soldier on?


It's dying, not dead. You can keep using it, just make sure you keep nothing important on it and back up the stuff onto another drive.

Just because it's technically out of warranty doesn't mean you shouldn't take 2 minutes to write an email to the manufacturer to try to get an RMA. You don't become one of the top tech component companies by sticking to the rules in regards to customer support and warranties. Most tech companies won't even ask where you bought it.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
Lakona
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada110 Posts
April 27 2013 23:03 GMT
#6359
Hey guys. After a bit more research I'm thinking of buying this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229378

1) Would this be sufficient to stream in high quality with basically zero lag?

2) Is it a reasonable price for the performance? How much cheaper could I theoretically get the same level or better by building myself?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
April 27 2013 23:31 GMT
#6360
Nope, Lakona. It has a CPU for overclocking, but the motherboard can't be used for overclocking. This smells of deceit. There are also other suspicious decisions about the parts in that PC. You could get something cheaper without any difference in performance.

You could also get something better for the same price. It's possible to build pretty much the very best PC for streaming SC2 for under $1000 (overclocking is needed for that).

I don't know how it works in Canada, but where I'm from, there are several online retailers with a very good variety of computer parts where you add $100 and they assemble and run tests on the PC over night before shipping it to you. This way, you'll save a lot of money and will get a better PC than that one. Surely something like this has to exist in CA. You can also try your hand at assembling the PC yourself, it's really not hard nowadays.

Go ask in the "computer build resource thread". The opening post explains how to ask (there's a bunch of questions to answer), and someone will give you a list of parts from the shop's website you want to buy from within a day or so.
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