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Boiler Bandsman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States391 Posts
December 09 2012 10:21 GMT
#4841
Hey all. I'm having issues with my new Windows 8 PC and the force-restart "feature". The update is hanging at 12%, which is problematic enough, but the update keeps getting forced and I can't find the stop-forcing command, so I'm having to deal with it over and over again. Anyone know how to stop it, or where I can find some help?
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 09 2012 21:07 GMT
#4842
Hey, I'm just starting streaming. My new PC is keeping up with streaming and playing at the same time easily, but apparently my viewers are experiencing lag when I get into big action parts. I'm sure this is a setting, anyone know what I should fiddle with to even that out?
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 22:31:04
December 09 2012 22:24 GMT
#4843
I need a VGA to HDMI cable to work with my parents' old monitor (1440x900, only VGA) while I'm out of town (going out of the country, so can't bring my monitor) because my laptop only supports HDMI (I absolutely need to be able to play for CSL)

Looking at this to do it, but every other cable on ebay (Even the ones listed 1080P) say "transmits video signal of 1024x768 maximum." Why is this? It's listed as 1080P, but it says otherwise in the description. Is there something about a VGA to HDMI adapter that prevents it from going higher than 1024x768? Thanks very much!

For example: this is listed as 1080P in description, but if you scroll down it says "Cable transmits video signals up to 1024 x 768 pixel resolution." Do I need an additional converter to do it, or can I get 1440x900 otherwise? I know that VGA is analog and HDMI is digital, but would my GPU be able to convert it or do I need a separate converter? (GT640M)
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 23:52:59
December 09 2012 23:36 GMT
#4844
A lot of TVs only have a maximum resolution of 1024x768, so maybe that's what it's referring to.

[edit] I'm going to take you at your word that you only have an HDMI port.

Anyway, I think the issue is that you need an active adapter, e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/B007SM7O2U / http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/B00879DM56/ref=pd_sim_pc_2
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
December 09 2012 23:55 GMT
#4845
On December 10 2012 08:36 Craton wrote:
A lot of TVs only have a maximum resolution of 1024x768, so maybe that's what it's referring to.

[edit] I'm going to take you at your word that you only have an HDMI port.

Anyway, I think the issue is that you need an active adapter, e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/B007SM7O2U / http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/B00879DM56/ref=pd_sim_pc_2


Heh, would be silly for me to lie if I had VGA but thanks. That's what I thought. >:O I guess I'll just end up playing with an external keyboard and my laptop monitor, haha.
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QoGxDyNaSTy
Profile Joined July 2012
United States23 Posts
December 10 2012 02:20 GMT
#4846
Hello i have a phenom II x6 1090T 3.2 and an AMD 6850
I can play normal fairly well but would like to play ultra with AA enabled. So my questions are do i need a new cpu? and what AMD card 7000's series 7870 etc etc would allow me to max out sc2 with good frames even after legacy of the void gets released. a long question but any help would be great.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
December 10 2012 03:06 GMT
#4847
SC2 doesnt natively support any good AA. You'd have to select the ingame option and get post processing AA which blurs health bars, the minimap etc, which is basically awful for high level play, or force AA in GPU drivers which wouldnt give anywhere near the best results in visuals or performance
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QoGxDyNaSTy
Profile Joined July 2012
United States23 Posts
December 10 2012 03:39 GMT
#4848
@cyro so what cpu and gpu specs would i need to run ultra with no AA that would work with good fps even after legacy of the void is out?
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 05:17:57
December 10 2012 05:00 GMT
#4849
On December 10 2012 12:39 QoGxDyNaSTy wrote:
@cyro so what cpu and gpu specs would i need to run ultra with no AA that would work with good fps even after legacy of the void is out?


Nobody knows LOTV system requirements, haha.(Edit: I guess they're being predicted here, but that's hardly conclusive)

A 6850 should be able to max SC2 iirc. If not, it comes so close that if SC2 is your main game, there really is no reason to upgrade. You could probably download some overclocking software and do it with that.

Buy a CPU cooler and overclock your Phenom, I think it's possible to get mostly high CPU settings with one of those. But keep in mind that OC IVB can't even keep SC2 over 40FPS at all times on ultra settings.

If you want to upgrade more relevantly, I would probably get a good CPU cooler and overclock your Phenom II nicely, and then buy Haswell when it comes out (15% ish I think performance increase in single threaded stuff), and then just reuse your cooler to overclock your new CPU (it might not be compatible, but then again it might be)
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QoGxDyNaSTy
Profile Joined July 2012
United States23 Posts
December 10 2012 05:23 GMT
#4850
thanks alryk
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
December 10 2012 05:27 GMT
#4851
On December 10 2012 08:55 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 08:36 Craton wrote:
A lot of TVs only have a maximum resolution of 1024x768, so maybe that's what it's referring to.

[edit] I'm going to take you at your word that you only have an HDMI port.

Anyway, I think the issue is that you need an active adapter, e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/B007SM7O2U / http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/B00879DM56/ref=pd_sim_pc_2


Heh, would be silly for me to lie if I had VGA but thanks. That's what I thought. >:O I guess I'll just end up playing with an external keyboard and my laptop monitor, haha.

I was thinking something more along the lines of a DVI or Display Port.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
December 10 2012 06:40 GMT
#4852
On December 09 2012 09:04 NKexquisite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 14:24 Belial88 wrote:
On December 01 2012 10:34 Craton wrote:
On November 29 2012 14:43 NKexquisite wrote:
When streaming with FFSplit I suddenly get dropped frames and then a "Disconnected by Server" dialogue box.

FFSplit Settings:
Quality: 6
Max Bitrate: 1000kb/s
Buffer Size: 1000kb/s
Resolution Downscale: 2.25 (852x480)
FPS: 25
Aero Disabled

Using the Chicago, IL Server Option in FFSplit since I live near Minneapolis, MN

CPU Specs:
i5 750 Quad OC'd to 3.5GHz
8GB Ram
ATI Sapphire 5770 Gfx

Internet Specs
Hard-wired connection
Download: 50mb/s
Upload: 4mb/s
Very consistent throughout the day.

Anyone have any thoughts on what is causing this? Is this an error on the twitch side? FFSplit side?

Any advice would be appreciated : ]

If you want to rule out Twitch (or intermediary routing) as a cause, you need to stream with another provider and see how the results differ.

It's my experience that if you experience anything with regularity, the fault probably lies within your own setup. If it were a Twitch issue then it would likely be localized to a certain time-frame (i.e. a few days and then go back to normal) and others would be having issues.

Comcast was throttling Twitch traffic not too long ago and it was claimed to have been fixed, but some users still reported issues (I had issues as recently as a few days ago with viewing Twitch, but I don't know if this was at all related, nor do I use them as my stream provider).

You can try lowering your bitrate to see if the problem persists. If it goes away then you're probably spiking your usage at certain points high enough that you're choking the connection to Twitch and then Twitch is killing your connection as a result. Well, maybe. I don't actually use FFSplit, so that error message might have a different meaning than what I'd expect from a terminated connection. Note that if you're sharing a connection and someone starts downloading off a fast site (Steam & Microsoft downloads can run very fast (as high as 5-10MBps, sometimes even more). Note that a 5MBps download would be using something like 80% of your bandwidth (frankly probably more for other technical reasons).

I don't know how other ISPs work, but with Comcast your upload and download share usage on a % basis, so if you're using 2mbps of upload on a 4mbps allowance, it's equivalent to 25mbps down on your 50mbps down pipe. It's been a little while since I've checked to see if this is still the case, admittedly.

My bet for most likely culprit is basically that your network is somehow spiking in traffic at the points during which your stream lags out.


That's not the reason.

FFSplit is the only of the 3 streaming clients (xsplit/obs/ffsplit) that doesn't have an auto-reconnect feature. All the streaming clients are still relatively new and still pretty damn new, they still have a long way to go. FFsplit used to have a reconnect feature, but it was removed because it was buggy.

So, if your internet times out for a split second, or even for 10 seconds, with FFsplit, the stream just goes off. With Xsplit and OBS, it will auto-reconnect within 10 seconds (higher if you change the settings).

This is why a lot of people don't use FFsplit. I find FFsplit to be the worst of the 3 streaming clients - at default settings, it's the best, but that's because on default it has it's preview disabled. Xsplit runs really well, but you can't disable the preview, but you can minimize it and make the scale viewport at 10% so it's really really small (still doesn't entirely disable), and with OBS you can actually disable the preview. When compared apples to apples, I think you'll find OBS is the best.

Try streaming on OBS (as far as I know, you can't adjust the reconnect/timeout settings on Xsplit) with the Auto-Reconnect feature turned off, and see if the same problem still occurs. Then, turn it back on to default 10 seconds, and see if your problem is gone. That, I think, would be the best way to rule out the problem.

When in the menu screen in-game, do you ever get "Disconnected/Reconnected' Messages? Like if you open up a chat channel or a few PMs, and then go away for an hour, when you come back, are the channels still open, or are they gone or it say Empty channel?

Comcast does not throttle traffic. I hate Comcast too, we all do, but they actually don't throttle your bandwidth. I'd look at your router and router firmwarm and drivers, ethernet drivers, modem, and PC, before Comcast. Try directly connecting to the modem, etc, troubleshooting. Routers are chock full of security features and crap that slows down and ruins the connection.


Oh god... I'm so retarded... I'm using OBS not FFsplit... I dumped FF for OBS a while back... I don't know why i posted that...

What would you suggest trying since I'm using OBS and NOT FFSplit... *FACEPALM*


Increasing the auto-reconnect time from 10 to like 30, and bringing it down from there.

Also, download something called 'jtvping'. Often times the server that's best for you is not the one that's closest. I'm in VA, but I connect to TX. Even though the server closest to me has the best avg ping, it has absolutely horrible jitter, which is the bigger factor, so I connect to TX for like 5 less avg ping (still in the green) but like 10-15 better jitter, which is huge.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
December 10 2012 06:48 GMT
#4853
Hello i have a phenom II x6 1090T 3.2 and an AMD 6850
I can play normal fairly well but would like to play ultra with AA enabled. So my questions are do i need a new cpu? and what AMD card 7000's series 7870 etc etc would allow me to max out sc2 with good frames even after legacy of the void gets released. a long question but any help would be great.


Your CPU and GPU are fine...

If it isn't a software issue or something non-hardware, then the problem might be your VRAM.

What resolution do you play at? You should be able to max out sc2 with good frames on your system as it is. Dips in fps in big battles is to be expected and every CPU in the world does so, but as long as you are having minimum fps above 25-30 in the very, very big 1v1 battles, your doing well.

It's quite intuitive - if you can play on low graphics just fine, then your CPU is fine. If you can play on low, but then can't play on high, it's your GPU. But your GPU is strong enough, although AA at a very high resolution might be causing some damage, im not sure what your resolution is....

AA is really, really, really demanding. Like do you need AA? You realize that SC2 has shitty implementation of AA and it just takes as much processing power as running sc2 itself, almost. You should at least be able to play everything maxed out very very smoothly with no AA.

Also, WOL is a old ass game by now, HOTS/LOTV isn't going to be some crazy demanding game. It's running off the same engine, there's only so much they can do. If you can play WOL on ultra, you will play HOTS/LOTV on ultra (maybe drop 1-5 frames, at most, because of some texture redesign, although i seriously doubt blizz will do serious changing to the game just in an expansion like that).

Overclocking your CPU and GPU should help out a lot though. Phenom x6 at 3.2ghz is going to perform the same as a phenom x4 at 3.2ghz, and only slightly better than a 3.2ghz phenom x2. x6 really isn't a gaming CPU.

Overclocking, and streaming, on the other hand, the Phenom x6 is awesome at. Overclocked to 4.2ghz, which is very easy on a phenom x6, and you'll outperform an i5 in streaming.
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QoGxDyNaSTy
Profile Joined July 2012
United States23 Posts
December 10 2012 07:25 GMT
#4854
i run in windowed fullscreen and have dual monitors. would running ultra and having 2 monitors effect my VRAM?
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
December 10 2012 07:29 GMT
#4855
On December 10 2012 15:48 Belial88 wrote:
If it isn't a software issue or something non-hardware, then the problem might be your VRAM.

Nope. Sc2 with 4x AA will not come close to using 1GB of VRAM. Maybe BF3 with ultra textures and 16xAF/4xAA, but not sc2 by any stretch. Ever.

On December 10 2012 15:48 Belial88 wrote:
Overclocked to 4.2ghz, which is very easy on a phenom x6, and you'll outperform an i5 in streaming.

You mean you'll outperform it at encoding? Maybe, but I doubt it, the i5 has 4 much faster cores than an OCed x6, they'd probably be close at 4.2, not much either way.

In terms of streaming though (I'm only talking about sc2), the i5 will give you a much higher framerate, hence your stream will be better as you can capture a higher framerate which could make a nice 45-60 fps 720p stream most of the time. The 4 cores on the x6 will be able to encode better, but encoding scaling sucks ass and you won't notice it most of the time from veryfast -> fast, and the higher framerate offered from the i5 will look objectively better.

All that being said, for the price, the x6 isn't terrible for streaming/encoding.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 08:30:37
December 10 2012 08:27 GMT
#4856
Overclocked to 4.2ghz, which is very easy on a phenom x6, and you'll outperform an i5 in streaming.


A stock one, but if he matches your overclock he will have a significant (>50%) lead in cpu-bound game performance while matching multi-threaded performance, showing as much higher minimum and average fps, FPS not dipping nearly as low with screen capture methods and being able to hit the same encoding settings as the x6, but holding >60fps (or close to it) for a higher percentage of the game or a battle while the phenom being behind in performance cuts it a lot lower than the i5.

Capturing at 60fps messes up performance a ton (around twice as much as 30fps in my tests, output resolution irrelevant) and with the best cpu's only having ~40fps minimums in sc2 1v1, when you add the performance hits from capture its even worse, so having a stronger CPU is very relevant for stopping a 60fps stream from dipping or floating below 60fps because your game cant keep up.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
December 10 2012 20:20 GMT
#4857
Forced to play on a laptop without its cooling fan (Shipped everything from UK to Sri lanka - not due for a few days) i dont know why i didnt ship its fan, FU

Basically, ive got it raised about 2/3 an inch off a glass table, big 16" pedastal fan directed at it (hot part, the fan vent etc) and its still running hot, i need to clean it as its running about 10 degrees higher on average idle / under load.

Any ideas how to help reduce heat further?

Also, while playing guild wars 2 Speedfan is registering temps of about 90-92oC but the moment i minimise (and im talking 2 seconds max) it drops straight back down to 80-84oC. This is the GFX.

The CPU is sitting between 75-80 constant.

Im aware i can run my GPU at about 80 without doing damage, 90 is too high though but i think its a false positive from speedfan, considering the massive jump downwards as soon as i minimise.

Also, what is a safe operating temp for a CPU? is 75-80 ok-ish, for now?

I am resting it every 30 mins to 1 hour, letting it completely cool to below 40 or outright turning it off for 10 mins too...
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
December 10 2012 20:47 GMT
#4858
Can anybody recommend the best 802.11n router for as cheap as possible? And will there be a noticeable difference between a 150Mbps and 300Mbps router for somebody who will probably be buying like 8/8 internet in the next year at the highest? \

If there's something relevant for gaming lemme know, better "internet" for gaming would be nice but I'm skeptical about how realistic of a function that actually is as handled by the router.

Looking at Edimax BR-6428 or Encore router. The only review I found of the Edimax was pretty bad, but ratings are good.
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PikQ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland9 Posts
December 10 2012 21:02 GMT
#4859
My 1-year-old OCZ Vertex 2 SATA II 3.5" 120GB SSD, on which I have Windows installed, suddenly stopped working today. It doesn't show up in BIOS, so it can't be booted, nor can I detect it while using Linux on a USB memory stick. I have reset BIOS settings to default and tried different SATA cables and slots, to no success. Power supply or cables don't seem to be the cause, either. By googling i found that some people have had a similar problem due to firmware, but if that were the case, shouldn't this have occured much earlier? Is there something else this might be about or has the drive simply broken?
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
December 10 2012 21:08 GMT
#4860
On December 11 2012 05:20 Capped wrote:
Forced to play on a laptop without its cooling fan (Shipped everything from UK to Sri lanka - not due for a few days) i dont know why i didnt ship its fan, FU

Basically, ive got it raised about 2/3 an inch off a glass table, big 16" pedastal fan directed at it (hot part, the fan vent etc) and its still running hot, i need to clean it as its running about 10 degrees higher on average idle / under load.

Any ideas how to help reduce heat further?

Also, while playing guild wars 2 Speedfan is registering temps of about 90-92oC but the moment i minimise (and im talking 2 seconds max) it drops straight back down to 80-84oC. This is the GFX.

The CPU is sitting between 75-80 constant.

Im aware i can run my GPU at about 80 without doing damage, 90 is too high though but i think its a false positive from speedfan, considering the massive jump downwards as soon as i minimise.

Also, what is a safe operating temp for a CPU? is 75-80 ok-ish, for now?

I am resting it every 30 mins to 1 hour, letting it completely cool to below 40 or outright turning it off for 10 mins too...


You can run higher temps in laptops than desktops. The gpu can certainly go above 80 without harm.
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