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The first thing I did, before I got to overclocking anything else, was overclock the CPU. With AMD, if you overclock via multiplier (like black edition) instead of fsb (bclk for amd), then you can't use coolnquiet/powernow (reduce volts/load/frequency on lower load or sleep state), so I overclocked via fsb. So I lowered the multiplier to my ht link and cpunb (both might be called something different in intel) and ram, and i manuawlly set the timings to stock.
So in the case of my ram, I set my timings to 9-9-21-etc and I set the memory divider so that the ram speed would be 1066, which is below stock (but given my raising of fsb, it brought it kind of close to stock 1333mhz).
When I got around to overclocking my RAM, I wanted to go for tighter timings rather than speed, so I set it to 8-8-etc, stable, 6-6-6, not stable, 7-7-7 stable, and then i increased my speed as much as I could with 7-7-7etc, by raising my fsb (while lowering the multi of my cpu, cpu-nb, and ht link to stock or below to make sure they wouldnt be the cause of a crash) until I found a ram sweetspot of 1348mhz.
Your impression is wrong - ram multiplier refers to speed. The mhz. 1333mhz, 1348mhz, 1600mhz, whatever. Timings is something totally different.
Think of ram as an excel spreadsheet, and when data is saved and pulled, is it saved and puled to certain blocks/cells on that spread sheet. The speed, like 1333mhz, refers to how quickly information travels. Think if it like a car traveling 1333 miles per hour on the highway or something. Timings refers to how many cycles data waits while traveling the cells, there's all sorts of timings... like a search engine, i suppose, for the ram, to figure out where the requested is or where to put it. Think of it like a stoplight, and the timing value refers to how long the stoplight is red for.
So you can see why both matter. It doesnt matter if you drive 2000 miles an hour if you have to wait 10 minutes at a stoplight. But if you are just driving to your grocery store, the traffic lights are a bigger factor than the speed limit in how long it takes to get there, and if traveling cross country, traffic lights aren't really as big a deal as how fast you drive the trip. Certain tasks, certain hardware, prefer one over the other. They are both totally separate things though. But you cant have every car on the road driving at 2000 miles an hour when the stoplights are only red for 6 seconds, so they are both important to stability, that is, unless the road system is really really good, ie the RAM is really really high quality.
With higher quality ram, you can tweak both tigher timings and quicker speed. I suppose some would say it gives more wiggle room with an overclock, i dont really think so because when overclocking you just set everything really low except for the component you are testing, but it certainly can make it easier and quicker.
I'm really not the person to ask about Intel systems, but in short, timings and the speed of ram are 2 totally separate things. You should really make sure your cpu is rock solid first, before messing with the ram. Now, its up to you whether you want prime95 24 hour stable, prime95 8 hour stable, or just 10 minute OCCT or Intel burn test stable, but however solid you want your overclock, you need to test your CPU is stable first. And no, playing a game doesn't count.
Figure out what 'stable' is on your cpu, and while doing so, make sure your ram timings are manually set to stock 9-9-etc and speed is set to stock (as you already did). Then, when you figure out the limits of your cpu, move onto overclocking your ram (or whatever).
I dont know if my RAM would tighten timings automatically. first thing I did when i started overclocking was change my ram speed and timings from 'auto' to 'memory clock mode: limit, 1066mhz' and ram timings to 9-9-etc. Very few settings in my system are set to 'auto' except some options regarding my HDD and chipsets.
edit: please take this with a grain of salt. I have zero experience with high end anything, and zero experience with intel. my 'specialty' is taking a 955 with broken pins and making it work, or making a $200 perform like a $400 system. i'm pretty sure what i said is applicable to you though, that basically timings and ram speed are 2 totally different things, and that you should test each component individually.
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Don't worry man, I appreciate every bit of help I can get :^).
The ram analogy made even me understand it somehow. I didn't really want to bother with 24 hour in prime95 because I thought that was mostly for really maxing your system with 40%+ OC, new cooler, volt tweaking etc. So I just had it for like 10-15 min and It maxed on 71 celcius, no errors as far as I could see. And I just tried 10 min in OCCT just now and it ended with 72 celsius. Everything seems to work just fine. Reason I put the tribes thing in there was because I only use the pc for gaming, and I'm pretty sure it's the most resource intensive game I have installed. And while gaming highest I've seen is like 62 celcius so I'm pretty happy.
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No. 24 hour prime95 is to make sure it's 'rock solid'. I think some people might say 'rock solid' falls maybe a bit under 24 hours, maybe 12, i think 8 is the lowest I've heard someone say.
The reason you want a rock solid overclock for 24/7 use is because if the CPU isn't 100% stable, it'll start sending out corrupt data, which will get saved. Give it a few months, and you have tons of corrupt data, incorrect data, and will get a bunch of problems with your computer. Important and critical files can get screwed up. You won't know what's wrong either, by that time. I'm not really explaining it the best but basically critical files will get saved incorrectly and the problem will compound over time.
It's not very hard to do a prime95 test. Just after your done gaming for the day, set prime95 to run at priority 1 (which is default), at which you can still surf the internet and watch HD videos and streams even. Then when you go to bed, just set priority to 10 (i find it gets errors quicker with priority 10, but it's not necessary), go to work, and 12+ hours should be okay. When you figure out your 'perfect' settings, run a 24 test just to be sure, and your done.
Or, just run a 10 minute priority 10 prime95 test to make sure your overclock is good. If you can pass 10 minutes of prime95 at priority 10, just scale it back 100mhz and you should be near stable., at least gaming stable.
Running prime95 is not for like extreme people or something, or requires a cooler. You need a cooler if you need a cooler, has nothing to do with how hardcore you are or anything or if you are tweaking voltages.
Your temps sound good for your processor - again, I dont know much about intel but a quick search seems to indicate you are okay (generally, the lower the TDP of your processor, the higher the temperature limit is on it, hence why going over 55*C is terrible for system stability and cpu health with my 125watt phenom ii).
10 minutes in OCCT is okay, but prime95 is really the gold standard. The reason people say occt is great is because it's just prime95 where the priority is manually set at a higher level, whereas prime95 at default is specifically set at the lowest priority so you can do other things while testing, and it was originally designed for research, not overclocking. I'd recommend you do 10 minutes of priority 10 prime95 instead of OCCT. But really it doesnt matter much, both are fine. I just find p95 10 priority stresses way better and quicker than anything else.
Just run an overnight prime95 test, it should show your good. You can very seriously have issues where you have data corruption, and you also won't know what components are giving you trouble. Make sure your CPU is rock stable, and then overclock everything else in your system. That way when you crash because you overclock your RAM, or CPU-NB too much, you know for sure its because of that specific component, instead of pulling your hair out because your RAM isn't stable even at stock settings because your CPU was never stable to begin with.
I mean I'm all for pushing the limits, cutting corners and all, but i do think stability testing is quite important. Personally, I'm gong to find my ~13 hour prime95 stable on my cpu, and then increase it by 100mhz (after i figure out all the other components, of course).
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I have a 560 ti right now. I only play sc2 (and sometimes Sims 3) is picking up a 660 to worth it?
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Not if you only play those two games.
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I have a simple question (an easy one, since apparently no one knows the answers to any of the questions I ask):
What are the physical dimensions of an AMD CPU. Not the die size, or the actual cores inside. I'm talking about the entire chip, the whole thing. What size is it. As in, if I wanted to buy a bunch of phenoms to glue together to cover my wall, I need to know how big each one is so i would know how many to buy.
Does that make sense? Not looking for something like 'phenom ii is 45nm'.
Specifically, I do not have a ruler, and this athlon II i have here is just a couple millimeters small of a particular gap for which I need to buy a fan that would fit into. So if I bought a fan with physical dimensions slightly smaller than a CPU, I'd be golden.
But I do not know what the physical dimensions of a CPU are. If I had a ruler, this would all be very easy, i know. Preferably in mm. since that's what fans are measured in, but i DO have access to a calculator....
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On November 09 2012 14:13 clocked wrote:
I have a 560 ti right now. I only play sc2 (and sometimes Sims 3) is picking up a 660 to worth it?
Nope. You have all the power you need until you choose a more demanding game or video app.
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Hey I got a quick question - if you run 2 molex 12v fans off the same PSU supply connector, like daisychain them, will that lower their output? or will they still blow at full speed? To be more specific, if I have a fan controller, and run 2 12v molex fans (red/yellow/black) off the same fan control (ie the controller has 5 channels, but put 2 fans on same channel), will that slow them down, or will they run the same as if they were on a dedicated channel?
That and what is the physical dimension of an AMD processor chip. not the die, but like the entire thing. or the perimeter is fine. i just need the length/width of one of the sides...
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Just use a card to measure.. a card is roughly 85mm if you did not know this random fact.
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hmm i suppose so. i think that means an amd cpu is 40x40. but the gap is like barely smaller than the cpu. so i think i need a 35mm fan to fit between my rear exhaust fan and rear-pull hyper 212+ fan, in order to cool my vrms.
k going to sit a 35mm fan on top of my makeshift vrm heatsink. i think ill set it up to blow onto it.
so like a heatsink is
|___ | 35mm fan laid on top with the 120mm fans on both sides of it, sandwhiching it.
... || heatsink (ignore periods, its just for formatting purposes)
------- motherboard/VRMs
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I am addicted to a browser game , long story short. I need to be able to log from a second ip from time to time. Anyway i have made a VM , installed firefox with foxyproxy and using a transparent proxy. I know my ip is visble through transparent proxy servers but how easy it is to see? As in if the VM ip gets checked for a multiaccount by the admins , can my main ip be easily indetified? And if yes what proxy servers can you recommend me to search for?
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Hiya, for some reason in SC2 wol, I've been getting the "waiting for server" surrender screen and huge lag spikes sometimes, for no apparent reason. It doesn't happen too often, but once in a while, I will drop to <1 fps and the the surrender screen will pop up over and over again, making the game completely unplayable. It happens generally only for 3v3 games and it will seem to stay laggy no matter how many times I try again the next game, but other times it will be almost completely smooth throughout.
I've forwarded the ports, made sure SC2 wasn't firewalled, and tried all the ping traces or what have you and they seemed to come out fine...
Here are some of my pingtests. It's really weird because my pingtests came out completely fine when I was at the peak of all the lagging games one after the other (A rating, about 20 ms ping, 1 ms jitter, 0% packet loss). But now after a few games without many lag spikes at all, I'm seeing some bad tests, but also some weird variation in tests.
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I'm running on the default/recommended settings for high quality.
System specs: 1080p display, i5 3210m, nvidia gt 650m gpu 2GB DDR5 VRAM, 8 gb DDR3 1600 mhz ram. 
Any help would be much appreciated. I really want to play with my friends ;_;
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Hey guys, my siberia v2 mic is muted when i extend it and when i dont extend it it has loud static when i speak , any fix for this?
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Is it possible to save more than only the last 3 broadcasts on justin.tv?
For example: http://de.twitch.tv/gipettosc2/videos
Normally there should be like 6 or 7 videos from my stream.
Its kinda sad, cause i thought its possible to show more than only the last 3 broadcasts???
Thanks for your help!
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so what is the best graphiccard for sc2?
My spec, msi z77a-43
3570k @ 4.6
amd raedon 7700. 40-50 fps late game in max settings
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On November 12 2012 18:00 candyshopgirl wrote:
so what is the best graphiccard for sc2?
My spec, msi z77a-43
3570k @ 4.6
amd raedon 7700. 40-50 fps late game in max settings
Gpu for sc2? It's not even needed. You can use an onboard gpu to play sc2. It comes to your cpu. Which 40-50 fps at 200/200 sounds about normal.
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simple question: When I turn my monitor on sometimes it flickers, sometimes a little and sometimes a lot and sometimes not at all. Is this what monitors do before they die? It seems like it's been getting a little worse. My last monitor had a similar problem and the problem just got worse and worse until it died. Only had this one for about a year, it's an ASUS LCD monitor.
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can intel hd 3000 graphics (the one on a 2500k) play starcraft at 1080p low settings with somewhat okay framerates? I am getting a new widescreen monitor and im not sure if i need to fork out the money for a gpu just yet 
Also, is skyrim viable? lol. just at lowest possible settings at 1080p?
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