Mouse - Zowie Mico - Page 8

On June 28 2011 09:52 stafu wrote:
No pros are using anything higher than 1920x1080 (except possibly 1920x1200 but still, no horizontal change), I can tell you that much. Furthermore, the most common mouse used in GSL is G1, which is 1000 dpi, and the description of the Zowie Mico which was designed with StarTale specifically states that the players wanted 800 dpi as an option as that's what most wanted.

Regarding RSI, with smaller movements you tense your wrist far more, and additionally smaller movements decrease blood-flow compared to larger less-tensed movements.

On June 29 2011 18:13 Xapti wrote:
I don't see how smaller movements tense a wrist more... that doesn't make any sense at all to me. With small enough movements with my mouse, my wrist doesn't even move, just my fingers. I also don't see what blood flow has to do with it (if it even does change much).
The biggest thing to help RSI would be to use an ergonomic mouse. Mice that are ambidextrous are not as ergonomic, especially smaller mice like the Mico (at least for medium to large hands), or older mice like the G1.

On June 29 2011 00:11 Khenra wrote:
I would love to try a small mouse like this one, but I'm only going to buy it if the 1600 dpi setting isn't emulated. I've heard different reviews here in this thread, so now I'm unsure on wheather to buy it or not...

On June 29 2011 18:13 Xapti wrote:

People can use a G1 if they want to play SC2 at lower resolution, fine. Just because some professionals do it doesn't mean it's the best choice. Maybe they play in 1080, but then their sensitivity preference would just be low. Not everyone (I would say not even a majority) likes low sensitivity, and 800-1000 DPI does not cover them.

I doubt you have any proof (as opposed to just an indication) of what you say about G1's use in GSL among ALL players. Even if it was true, it does not mean much, since technically if 52 people each had their own model of mouse, but 3 had G1s, that would make G1s the most common, even though they consist of less than 6%. To prove a point about DPI, one should take a look at the average max DPI of mice, and/or the average DPI used for the user.

I don't see how smaller movements tense a wrist more... that doesn't make any sense at all to me. With small enough movements with my mouse, my wrist doesn't even move, just my fingers. I also don't see what blood flow has to do with it (if it even does change much).
The biggest thing to help RSI would be to use an ergonomic mouse. Mice that are ambidextrous are not as ergonomic, especially smaller mice like the Mico (at least for medium to large hands), or older mice like the G1.

They are not normal full range muscle movements, and as such can restrict blood flow to those muscles. These muscles are very fatigued after working at a computer, and need blood flow for their supply of oxygen. Over time, these muscles can degenerate into a state of permanent fatigue, and are in continual pain. Tendons are stretched because of these tight muscles and cause pain propagation into the hands and fingers.

To add, if you are using high sensitivities you are putting quite considerable more force to grip the mouse, because you have to be so accurate moving the house so little you have to grip quite hard, so added on with moving the mouse less and promoting less bloodflow you are putting alot of stress on your fingers and your wrist. Building blocks of many hand RSI's.

On June 23 2011 19:05 TwilightRain wrote:
The emulated 1600 dpi is not true. Or you have got a bugged mouse. Look at the last comments in this video review of the zowie mico:
I asked the guy if he could look for tracking issues such as emulated dpi, he tested it and had no such problems, could move the mouse without skipping on any dpi.

On June 29 2011 19:27 stafu wrote:

Proof? Every time they introduce a player before a match in GSL you can see their mouse, and it's very often a G1. I didn't say EVERY player uses them, I said it was the most common - which it clearly, observably is. I'm watching Code-S so far and every player bar fruitdealer so far is using a G1 (TOP, Genius and Virus). This thread shows what I mean. Also I think a lot of the reports of MX300s are likely misidentified G1s (MX300 is 400 dpi fyi).

On June 30 2011 13:32 Xapti wrote:
That's not proof. When I said ALL GSL I meant over all divisions and.or seasons. GSL open, Code A, code B, and code S, etc. have many players, and I would say is unlikely to gauge the quantity of a certain mouse. If you want to say out of top 40 korean GSL players, G1 is the most common mouse, then that's fine, but the wording you used was very poor.
Andd I heard MX series mice are all 800 DPI.

In fact I even went to take the time to look at that tread linked in more depth (originally I didn't want to waste my time, and I still don't know why I did just now). I counted all players mentioned (not just GSL) for what seemed to be the most common mice.
• 8 or 9 were G1s
• 9 or 10 (or possibly 11) deathadders.
• 7 or 8 G9/G9x, a mouse with pretty much the highest max DPI around.
You can MAYBE (I still don't think it's provable) that G1 is the most common, but overall mice similar to the G1 and/or low-DPI mice are in a considerable minority, which I think says A LOT more than just that one mouse is common (especially the fact that it's just in one tournament [series]).

My main point is it's a flawed argument to make or infer a claim like "because a low-DPI mouse is common, the majority of mice are at a low DPI". If you look at the overall list of mice used, the majority have a high or standard max DPI of around 1600-5600 (and Mico cannot seem to do 1600).

On June 30 2011 15:08 Glockateer wrote:
I like how you use the "max dpi" as an argument when most of them can easily use 800/900 dpi which probably adds to the appeal. So I'm pretty sure you don't realize your own flawed argument.