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So I am about to buy this laptop this weekend or next weekend and i REALLY REALLY want to know all the downside of it before i make the final decision. Spending a lots of money on a brick because of all the advertisements has never been a wise choice to me.
Name: ASUS G53JW-A1 Price: $1299.99 (CND cash) + tax CPU: i7 740QM (is this sandy bridge?) RAM: 6GB GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M 1.5GB HDD: 750GB LCD: 15.6" FHD (1920x1080) LED
extra: win7, usb 3.0, webcam 2.0M, bluetooth and they mentioned smthing about free gaming mouse + backpack.... The laptop itself is a brick with 2 HUGE exausht fans and quite heavy but i guess it should be like that due to i7
i compare to other places price and see this is a pretty decent deal but still, im a student and really want to spend my money smart x(....
Please help!
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That's not a sandybridge processor. Sandybridge processors start with a 2. (ex. core i5 2xxx or core i7 2xxx). It's overpriced though.
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No it does not belong to the new Sandybridge look more towards the Core i7-2630qm for sandybridge. The sandybridge are usally 10-15% faster then Clarksdale processor.
Does not mean this is not a good CPU.
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the only laptops that has sandybridges in the market right now are 2 xplorer of Cyberpower and they only have intel integrated graphic card (aka. on board)... http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Xplorer_X6-9200_Notebook/
i think its better to hv an individual graphic card right?
also to skyR: u mean this ASUS or the sandybridges?
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Because you can get A pretty much identical laptop with coupon code NB6538 for 800 bucks. The GPU's a slight downgrade, but you get a better processor and save five hundred bucks and it will run anything you'll want to play on high settings.
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Wasn't sandy bridge integrated graphics good enough to run sc2 pretty smoothly above low settings?
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On March 10 2011 12:43 LorD_AreS wrote: No it does not belong to the new Sandybridge look more towards the Core i7-2630qm for sandybridge. The sandybridge are usally 10-15% faster then Clarksdale processor.
Does not mean this is not a good CPU.
It may only be a 10% difference per clock (of course the figure depends a lot of the workload), but the new processors have a more aggressive Turbo Boost combined with power savings from the reduced transistor feature size and architectural changes. So the clock speed for mobile Sandy Bridge in practice may be significantly above that of the previous generation.
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You can get an equivalent laptop in specs but with 8gb ram and a sandybridge processor for around the same price (in the US, not sure exactly what it comes to) but I'd definitely say that getting sandybridge is worth it- less power consumption (longer battery life) but far more power.
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strongly advise against HP laptops.. but sandy bridge is worth it
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If you're willing to spend that much money...might as well get a desktop? It doesn't sound very portable, and even if it were, I wouldn't be interested in just carrying something like that around x:
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On March 10 2011 13:00 nigritude wrote: strongly advise against HP laptops.. but sandy bridge is worth it
I'm really going with this AGAINST HP LAPTOP'S
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Yep I would wait a short amount of time and get a gaming laptop with a sandybridge processor. Games like SC2, bfbc2, are all very very cpu intensive and you're going to want the performance.
Check out some of the MSI G-series laptops though, apparently they have very nice cooling features (like a one press omfg ramp up fan speed button)
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On March 10 2011 12:52 Plutonium wrote:Because you can get A pretty much identical laptop with coupon code NB6538 for 800 bucks. The GPU's a slight downgrade, but you get a better processor and save five hundred bucks and it will run anything you'll want to play on high settings. wow, thats awesome but i have some problem:
i7 produce a TON of heat and so far i have never seen an HP laptop that has solved its cooling problem. If a 1st gen i7 need 2 giant fans, i cant imagine how hot a 2nd gen would be inside an HP laptop. Well i might not produce as much heat since it consuming less power but still, i doubt it.
i cant find this product on the canadian site and i have some trouble purchase stuff using credit card. As you see this Asus im paying by cash and even have a discount . Also since im having 0 computer right now, i cant wait for them to build 1 and ship me until the end of March!
On March 10 2011 13:11 JerKy wrote: If you're willing to spend that much money...might as well get a desktop? It doesn't sound very portable, and even if it were, I wouldn't be interested in just carrying something like that around x: i did consider the option having a laptop + a netbook but im an international students and my travel plan is very abnormal (currently im moving to a new place once every 3~4 months now) so it wont help. also most of the netbooks on market is low quality anyway (well i could use linux but still)
On March 10 2011 13:15 Phayze wrote: Yep I would wait a short amount of time and get a gaming laptop with a sandybridge processor. Games like SC2, bfbc2, are all very very cpu intensive and you're going to want the performance. no, my old core 2 DUO laptop run sc2 just fine in low graphic. Im into competitive so i never run anything above medium graphic in sc2. The main reason im getting a powerful one is bc im looking foward for some graphic/video related work in the future
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On March 10 2011 12:51 NB wrote:the only laptops that has sandybridges in the market right now are 2 xplorer of Cyberpower and they only have intel integrated graphic card (aka. on board)... http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Xplorer_X6-9200_Notebook/i think its better to hv an individual graphic card right? also to skyR: u mean this ASUS or the sandybridges?
The laptop is overpriced.
The new Dell XPS also has Sandybridge. There's alot of Sandybridge laptops out on the market actually... Alienware is expected to refresh their lineup soon with Sandybridge I heard.
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On March 10 2011 13:34 skyR wrote:The laptop is overpriced. The new Dell XPS also has Sandybridge. There's alot of Sandybridge laptops out on the market actually... Alienware is expected to refresh their lineup soon with Sandybridge I heard. how does dell laptop deal with the cooling for i7? the price are great as what im seeing right now. Is there a Dell shop somewhere in Ontario? I really dont wana buy stuff online =__=
edit: I mean i CANT buy stuff online...
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online is the way to go man. You can save $100-$200, especially on laptops.
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Pretty much with everyone here that says they're against HP, especially that series (dv6 series stuff) has a history of overheating from what I've heard, I've known a lot of people who turned down the HP in favor of another laptop even if its lower specs on paper.
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the battery time is pretty low, about 3 hours browsing, 1 hour gaming.
if portability is not a issue, then this laptop should be fine.
The best gaming + portability laptop that I can think of is 1700$
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&orderItemId=120375615&mode=edit&LBomId=8198552921666304162&engrave=1
This laptop is light, extremely powerful, and long battery. (Its brand new)
Windows 7 Intel® Core™ i7-2620M processor (2.70GHz) with Turbo Boost up to 3.40GHz (sandy bridge) AMD Radeon™ 6630M GPU (1GB VRAM) (similar performance to Radeon HD 5650 according to Notebook Check) 8 GB DDR memory 500GB Hard Drive (7200rpm) Large Capacity Sheet Battery Nice Design
-the purpose of this laptop is portability and power and this laptop exceeds in this category more than any other laptop. 13.3' isn't as small as you think but it is a very good size for portability.
If you only have 1.3k to spend, then you can get it with these settings -Intel® Core™ i5-2410M processor (2.30GHz) with Turbo Boost up to 2.90GHz (sandy Bridge) (50$ more and you can get a Intel® Core™ i5 2520M processor (2.50GHz) with Turbo Boost up to 3.20GHz [add $50.00]) Windows 7 -6 GB DDR AMD Radeon™ 6470M GPU (512MB VRAM) (Plays SC2 at about 100 fps on low) -500GB Hard Drive (7200rpm) Large Capacity Sheet Battery
If you only have 1.3k to spend and you prefer performance over portability then your laptop is great. If you expect to carry your laptop around alot, you might want to look into this decision. According to me, a laptop is supposed to be portable and if I want power, I get a desktop.
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Battery life Cost Weight Not Sandy Bridge
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I don't see the reason for buying this as for SC2, you'd be better off in your wallet and performance with a desktop. For portable use, then it really isn't viable either considering the power hungry components.
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1. A laptop 2. Battery 3. Performance/$ 4. Lifetime 5. Warranty
Can't come up with 10 but if you are okay with those 5 go ahead.
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On March 10 2011 17:45 ZlaSHeR wrote: Pretty much with everyone here that says they're against HP, especially that series (dv6 series stuff) has a history of overheating from what I've heard, I've known a lot of people who turned down the HP in favor of another laptop even if its lower specs on paper.
Yeah seriously. I worked in a brick & mortar computer store a while ago. Worst consumer laptop reliability was easily HP, best was Asus. With consumer laptops I've found that if you want a good long lasting machine you either buy Apple or a Taiwanese designed machine. All others tend to be bad at being a comfortable laptop and/or a reliable laptop.
Its amazing how wide the quality gap is between consumer and business. The Dell Latitudes and HP Elitebooks are rock solid machines but they're business laptops. Even the high end, similarly priced consumer models, like the HP Envy, are complete rubbish compared to business laptops when it comes to longevity.
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I looked at that HP Pavilion dv6t Quad Edition and apparently there is a coupon for it right now for 30% off.
Coupon code: NB6538
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1. Its an ASUS, that means pour support and quality (i had problems with F31, F3F, Z53JR etc) 2. It will morph to an airplane if u try to play some resource using games - ASUS save money on using bad air fans... 3. Display gets to dark after some years so u cant play near the windows and thats bad (unless u are a stereotype of hmm... like... u know...)
Get yourself a DELL XPS with 4 yrs guarantee. It will cost u 200-300 bucks more (+FullHD LED display), but u will be satisfied with the support and ergonomy of the product... Also buy a Laptop cooler (ZALMAN is a good korean manufacturer) for like 40 bucks - it cools your laptop which is healthy in warm environments.
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i dont understand how people could complain about a 2 years warranty of ASUS. I mean 4 years of DELL obviously > 2 years of ASUS but lets think about it... Are you willing to hold a computer device for 4 YEARS?... I used my macbook pro for almost 3 years and its almost falling a part. Not counting the fact that the hardware gap in 4 years is HUGE now aday.
Im not sure about battery thingy but i think ASUS should hv a 12 cell battery selling apart. Again, desktop is almost not an option for me since im traveling oversea every year and between cities for every 4 months.
About sandy bridge: I know having 1 now is great but most of the games in 2011 2012 should be able to run on 1st gen i7 just fine i think. So if i could get my hand on 1 now, its great, else, its not such a big deal *(correct me if im wrong @_@)
I think i will stop considering HP as an option and will try to get some info on stores that has he new DELL XPS in Onatrio, Canada. Apparently there is not too many (0 so far) and as this speed i think i will have to get this ASUS.
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The battery will last half an hour.
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You could have ten times the gaming computer if you custom built a PC instead of buying a canned laptop. And for like $300 less, too.
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On March 11 2011 07:21 NB wrote: i dont understand how people could complain about a 2 years warranty of ASUS. I mean 4 years of DELL obviously > 2 years of ASUS but lets think about it... Are you willing to hold a computer device for 4 YEARS?... I used my macbook pro for almost 3 years and its almost falling a part. Not counting the fact that the hardware gap in 4 years is HUGE now aday.
Yep, i am. IMO laptops (since they are more expensive than desktops) should hold at least for 3 years. But its not the main reason u shouldnt buy a "discounter" laptops.. because the manufacturers have just to support these things til they broke which is more or less 2 years then...
Im not sure about battery thingy but i think ASUS should hv a 12 cell battery selling apart. Again, desktop is almost not an option for me since im traveling oversea every year and between cities for every 4 months.
I agree on that. But im not going to the battery issue on ASUS laptops for now
About sandy bridge: I know having 1 now is great but most of the games in 2011 2012 should be able to run on 1st gen i7 just fine i think. So if i could get my hand on 1 now, its great, else, its not such a big deal *(correct me if im wrong @_@)
Actually even old games can gain some advantages of the overclocking mode of a i7.
I think i will stop considering HP as an option and will try to get some info on stores that has he new DELL XPS in Onatrio, Canada. Apparently there is not too many (0 so far) and as this speed i think i will have to get this ASUS.
HP is also an option - but - their probooks are expensive which means ~2000 bucks with FullHD and stuff...
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The vaio some guy listed for 1.7k is way too overpriced for a 2620 i7. I think sager notebooks and xps's are more worth their value than these other laptops.
http://sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=category_browse&selected_cat=11
You can get the 5160 with all the specs of that vaio listed at 1.7k + an even better i7 core for almost $1k. You can deduct $100 if you order on xotic pc if you have an OS already. Hope this helps, good luck!
Edit: On the sager, you can get full HD for $65 more.
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Just a forewarning: I have a G51, and I've had a lot of issues stem from the system overheating. It overheats regardless of what you do, its just how its built.
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On March 11 2011 11:47 QQplay wrote:The vaio some guy listed for 1.7k is way too overpriced for a 2620 i7. I think sager notebooks and xps's are more worth their value than these other laptops. http://sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=category_browse&selected_cat=11You can get the 5160 with all the specs of that vaio listed at 1.7k + an even better i7 core for almost $1k. You can deduct $100 if you order on xotic pc if you have an OS already. Hope this helps, good luck! Edit: On the sager, you can get full HD for $65 more. wow, those Sager laptop looks sexy... but its US and kinda "no name"... also 1 year warranty... Any site review on this?
On March 11 2011 12:20 shabinka wrote: Just a forewarning: I have a G51, and I've had a lot of issues stem from the system overheating. It overheats regardless of what you do, its just how its built.
you just look up G51 picture vs G53 picture, they are designed totally different. G53 is more like a G73 compressed
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On March 11 2011 13:46 NB wrote: wow, those Sager laptop looks sexy... but its US and kinda "no name"... also 1 year warranty... Any site review on this?
Yeah, I recently found out about Sager after searching TL for laptops. The previous threads had a lot of supporters of sager and after comparing various notebooks, I think sager wins for most bang for your buck. There's also a lot of information on notebookreview.com forums and the users there also lean on sager's side. In my opinion, the only other things that rivals sager is probably Alienware and possibly HP elitebooks. Alienware looks really disgusting in my opinion and I'd rather have a professional looking laptop rather than some childish toy. It's also way overpriced and you can get the exact same specs for less on sager. I don't know much about the HP elitebooks but I've heard they were really overpriced too. Sorry if I strayed off topic, but I think some feedback from people who actually own Sager laptops would be more helpful. Other than that, I think sager would be the best bet for now.
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1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop.
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On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. This is pretty much my thought. I knew I needed a laptop for school, but I also needed to be able to play SC2 (and other games) on quality settings... So I built a ~800 dollar PC and will be getting a cheap value laptop soon.
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On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop.
1. If you want performance first and foremost, you'd be silly to buy a laptop. You can pony up and pay for the performance if you really need it though. 2. Obviously going to be more expensive than a PC equivalent but it comes with features that aren't possible with a desktop. 3. I guess people are used to using 19"+ monitors now. I was as well but I've gotten used to my 14" screen. I specifically went for one this size. Again though, if you're going for portability, even if there was a chance of getting a 22" laptop, that would be really silly. 4. My Dell Vostro keyboard is actually really nice to type on imo. I have however had two keys come off (one the cap broke and the second the clip broke) but I had Dell send me a complete keyboard replacement so I guess it isn't that great. 5. Mine has three USB ports, I usually use one for my mouse. Sometimes the 2nd and 3rd for iPods/USB but it's never been a problem. I guess some people could need 4+ at once though. 6. I suppose so, but there are decent warranties out there and it's definitely a lot easier to send a laptop back. 7. I had a pretty good set of customization options through the Dell site (CPU, RAM, OS, discrete GPU option, backlit keyboard, etc.). There are obvious limitations though and a lot of the best laptop deals are always pre-configured set-ups. 8. Again, someone buying a laptop probably isn't going strictly for performance so I'm not sure why OC capabilities should be a primary concern. 9. You're saying laptops are less portable and harder to set up than a desktop? Does that even make sense? 10. Ok, you're really grasping here.
I got a Dell Vostro 3400 ~6 months ago and have hardly touched my more powerful desktop since. I don't mind playing SC2 at low-medium settings though and all the other games I play are pretty low demand so it works for me. Seriously, being able to load up an SC2 replay in between study/programming spurts at the library is pretty awesome. Surfing TL and watching BW in bed is amazing too.
OP, you really can't go wrong with an ASUS. I personally wouldn't get such a beastly laptop since I would go for portability and battery life but if you really think you need those specs, go for it. Maybe find a slightly better deal though. It feels like that price is the same as it was for similar laptops that I was looking at 6 months ago. I'd imagine it should be a little cheaper now.
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On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. i dont think you could understand... im at the point in life where i have no real place to call "home" x)... constantly moving yo. I did consider the option of getting a desktop but again, when i think about the monitor and the tower and how to fit them on my airplane ticket.... screw it!
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I have this laptop... I don't know what everyone's saying, but I love it!
edit: I bought mine for $1,100
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On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. Firstly: Hooray for using the search feature! (@ myself)
I've been in the market for a laptop for a while, I was hoping my work refresh (expecting at least a MB, if not a MBP since the office is switching from win to mac osx/sendmail) would come sooner but i am getting antsy in waiting. Now that Sandy bridges are out, companies like dell/alienware are updating their product lines now I am getting excited.
Now about that person quoted... : 1. powerful enough for what? desktop gaming? what if the person isn't trying to replace their desktop with a laptop and they are just wanting something portable to game on? I myself just had to leave home for 5 days for work, I came back and tried SC2 tonight and i was playing horribad. I would love to have a laptop capable of playing SC2 on low/medium to keep up with practice, take to lans etc. 2. this one is a no brainer, there are cheap alternatives and some people just want one that works, others want a m17x from alienware, and then there is anyone inbetween. I wouldn't mind spending $1k-1.2k on a laptop right about now. AS someone else mentioned, there are some $600-800 options. 3. "small screens" you are sitting right next to them, not 2-3 feet away like i am right now from my monitor (or 4 feet when i play sc2 on my tv) size is subjective and 15.6" is pretty good, I would even think 13" isn't so bad. Of course there are 17" options out there for all brands. 4. external keyboard for gaming. use the regular for browsing/anything but gaming, and use a external keyboard for gaming. "extra cost" from that could be argued, I find the cheap generic dell $7 keyboards are best for "easily replaceable keyboards for gaming). of course i wouldn't buy a black widow or another $100 keyboard to tote around... 5. how much is not enough? I have 4 on my current work laptop and i never use more than 1 right now. 6. any computer you purchase from a manufacturer is going to be difficult to repair if it breaks. have you opened a dell before? there is a reason there is a DCSE certificate. Their engineers on some of their machines are just retarded. 7. laptops do allow you to customize hardware. change the hdd, change the ram, SOME let you adjust the graphics card if it's not integrated, others let you change the optic drive... gee that sounds a lot like upgrading a desktop aside from the motherboard which typically a new motherboard would require new x y and z. 8. why does anyone ever need to overclock? it's something people say they do, and do, to make them feel good about their marketed processor. I have a Q6600 and a 460GTX on my desktop, a 5 year old processor and a recent graphics. I can play wow/sc2/eq2 simultaneously all on high/ultra graphics. recent improvements in processors also help heat not to mention the bodies themselves of the laptops like say a macbook pro, (just as a example). 9. A pain to say, open the lid and press the on button if it doesn't automatically turn on already from opening it? My desktop rig is anything but portable. so what are you comparing a notebook, made for mobility and movement and ease of access, to? 10. pc hardware isn't advancing as fast as it did in the mid 00's, socket sets aren't changing as rapidly and things are calming down for the consumer side while improvements and performance are still coming. Thunderbolt and USB3.0 etc yes new tech is coming out, but is it needed? na not really.
Typically when someone makes a list i would agree with a point or two or so... this is all just garbage. Really... overclocking?
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On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. This. Hands down. Buy a $800 epic gaming rig, spend 300 or 400 on a good netbook or decent laptop on sale. You now have the best of both worlds.
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On March 12 2011 19:13 Mazer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. 1. If you want performance first and foremost, you'd be silly to buy a laptop. You can pony up and pay for the performance if you really need it though. 2. Obviously going to be more expensive than a PC equivalent but it comes with features that aren't possible with a desktop. 3. I guess people are used to using 19"+ monitors now. I was as well but I've gotten used to my 14" screen. I specifically went for one this size. Again though, if you're going for portability, even if there was a chance of getting a 22" laptop, that would be really silly. 4. My Dell Vostro keyboard is actually really nice to type on imo. I have however had two keys come off (one the cap broke and the second the clip broke) but I had Dell send me a complete keyboard replacement so I guess it isn't that great. 5. Mine has three USB ports, I usually use one for my mouse. Sometimes the 2nd and 3rd for iPods/USB but it's never been a problem. I guess some people could need 4+ at once though. 6. I suppose so, but there are decent warranties out there and it's definitely a lot easier to send a laptop back. 7. I had a pretty good set of customization options through the Dell site (CPU, RAM, OS, discrete GPU option, backlit keyboard, etc.). There are obvious limitations though and a lot of the best laptop deals are always pre-configured set-ups. 8. Again, someone buying a laptop probably isn't going strictly for performance so I'm not sure why OC capabilities should be a primary concern. 9. You're saying laptops are less portable and harder to set up than a desktop? Does that even make sense? 10. Ok, you're really grasping here. I got a Dell Vostro 3400 ~6 months ago and have hardly touched my more powerful desktop since. I don't mind playing SC2 at low-medium settings though and all the other games I play are pretty low demand so it works for me. Seriously, being able to load up an SC2 replay in between study/programming spurts at the library is pretty awesome. Surfing TL and watching BW in bed is amazing too. OP, you really can't go wrong with an ASUS. I personally wouldn't get such a beastly laptop since I would go for portability and battery life but if you really think you need those specs, go for it. Maybe find a slightly better deal though. It feels like that price is the same as it was for similar laptops that I was looking at 6 months ago. I'd imagine it should be a little cheaper now. hey what were the specs for the laptop taht you got? like parts of the vostro did you actually get?
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On March 14 2011 14:44 Phayze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. This. Hands down. Buy a $800 epic gaming rig, spend 300 or 400 on a good netbook or decent laptop on sale. You now have the best of both worlds. I've been dealing with this question. I'm thinking of doing as you suggest, but since this would be my first computer (not shared), I'd have to also buy a monitor, Keyboard, speakers (actually just thinking of buying a nice pair of headphones, need one anyway), cheap laptop, and mouse, which drives the price up considerably considering I'd want a mechanical keyboard and halfway decent mouse, not to mention that a decent monitor costs some 200 bucks. I've been wondering if, since I'd have to buy all that shit compared to just a laptop+mouse, it'd still be cheaper to go desktop (ignoring inferiorities of a laptop aside)
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Bisutopia19050 Posts
Honestly, I make video games for a living and am an avid gamer. Don't waste money on your laptop. Just get a nice cheap one that does everything needed besides gaming and invest in a desktop.
Also go to http://www.newegg.com and build your new computer there. For a 1000 dollars you can have a sick graphics card, processor, a 27" hd screen, and w/e else you want easily. Then buy a 200$ laptop and your all set.
I'm sure you have thought this over and probably aren't looking for people to tell you to buy a desktop so my final advice is at least invest in the laptop recommended on the first page for 800$. It's the same deal better buy.
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laptops are the biggest wastes of money, you don't need one if you're going to university unless you like lying to yourself. Desktops are MUCH better and more versatile in the sense that you can upgrade/repair/replace things cheap and easy
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As far as HP goes, mine is being sent back for replacement because the steel frame inside the screen has snapped in 2 and the screen has fallen apart.
Good quality!
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On March 14 2011 19:14 Zerokaiser wrote: As far as HP goes, mine is being sent back for replacement because the steel frame inside the screen has snapped in 2 and the screen has fallen apart.
Good quality!
On topic related to quality, I hear dell (more specifically their alienware series) has an issue with hinges breaking ala a nintendo DS. Has anyone known anyone who experienced this?
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Cheap laptop + gaming desktop for the same money as your gaming laptop.
You get a more portable laptop and a better gaming platform. Clearly superior to a compromise.
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Germany2896 Posts
Why do people need to argue for the superiority of Desktops in every damn Laptop thread? Just because it's good for your usage pattern doesn't mean it's good for everyone. I for one think that switching between laptop and desktop all the time, synchronizing your data and installed software... is highly annoying.
On March 14 2011 18:05 Teivospy wrote: laptops are the biggest wastes of money, you don't need one if you're going to university unless you like lying to yourself. So you know what everybody needs better then them and assume that they are lying to themselves if they think that a laptop is more useful for them than a desktop. Don't you think that's slighly arrogant?
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On March 15 2011 01:07 MasterOfChaos wrote:Why do people need to argue for the superiority of Desktops in every damn Laptop thread? Just because it's good for your usage pattern doesn't mean it's good for everyone. I for one think that switching between laptop and desktop all the time, synchronizing your data and installed software... is highly annoying. Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 18:05 Teivospy wrote: laptops are the biggest wastes of money, you don't need one if you're going to university unless you like lying to yourself. So you know what everybody needs better then them and assume that they are lying to themselves if they think that a laptop is more useful for them than a desktop. Don't you think that's slighly arrogant?
I would have to say that people assuming they need a lap top for college is a bit silly.
I can say this, because I got one for college, and it RARELY left my desk in my apartment. I bought a $2,000 Alienware in 2005, and by 2008 it was unusable due to over heating and I couldn't upgrade anything.
I THOUGHT I would need a lap top to take to class / library / friends houses... but when your laptop is 2 inches thick and could kill a small child if dropped, it's not worth the trouble to move it. It was too big and bulky to quickly pack it up and take it to a friends house or to take it home.
Honestly, the only advantage of having a lap top vs having a desktop in a small-medium case is that you don't have to pack up a monitor. I bought the desk top that I am currently using in September of last year, and I have moved it more than I moved my Alienware laptop.
Just sayin'
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Yea, it's pretty ridic that this has become an argument about desktops vs laptops when the OP is seeking advice for while laptop to get. I got a decent desktop when I started engineering and immediately wished I had just gotten a laptop. I've since switched to programming and gotten a laptop and it's really apparent how convenient it is to have all my shit with me in class or at the library every day. Buying a $2,000 behemoth and having a bad experience with it really doesn't warrant you telling people to buy a desktop instead.
On March 14 2011 14:59 pigtheman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 19:13 Mazer wrote:On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. 1. If you want performance first and foremost, you'd be silly to buy a laptop. You can pony up and pay for the performance if you really need it though. 2. Obviously going to be more expensive than a PC equivalent but it comes with features that aren't possible with a desktop. 3. I guess people are used to using 19"+ monitors now. I was as well but I've gotten used to my 14" screen. I specifically went for one this size. Again though, if you're going for portability, even if there was a chance of getting a 22" laptop, that would be really silly. 4. My Dell Vostro keyboard is actually really nice to type on imo. I have however had two keys come off (one the cap broke and the second the clip broke) but I had Dell send me a complete keyboard replacement so I guess it isn't that great. 5. Mine has three USB ports, I usually use one for my mouse. Sometimes the 2nd and 3rd for iPods/USB but it's never been a problem. I guess some people could need 4+ at once though. 6. I suppose so, but there are decent warranties out there and it's definitely a lot easier to send a laptop back. 7. I had a pretty good set of customization options through the Dell site (CPU, RAM, OS, discrete GPU option, backlit keyboard, etc.). There are obvious limitations though and a lot of the best laptop deals are always pre-configured set-ups. 8. Again, someone buying a laptop probably isn't going strictly for performance so I'm not sure why OC capabilities should be a primary concern. 9. You're saying laptops are less portable and harder to set up than a desktop? Does that even make sense? 10. Ok, you're really grasping here. I got a Dell Vostro 3400 ~6 months ago and have hardly touched my more powerful desktop since. I don't mind playing SC2 at low-medium settings though and all the other games I play are pretty low demand so it works for me. Seriously, being able to load up an SC2 replay in between study/programming spurts at the library is pretty awesome. Surfing TL and watching BW in bed is amazing too. OP, you really can't go wrong with an ASUS. I personally wouldn't get such a beastly laptop since I would go for portability and battery life but if you really think you need those specs, go for it. Maybe find a slightly better deal though. It feels like that price is the same as it was for similar laptops that I was looking at 6 months ago. I'd imagine it should be a little cheaper now. hey what were the specs for the laptop taht you got? like parts of the vostro did you actually get?
Processor New 2010 Intel® Core™ i5-520M (2.40GHz base, up to 2.93GHz, 2C/4T, 3MB L3) Memory 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHZ, 2 DIMM Keyboard Backlit Keyboard with Gesture Touchpad Video Card Nvidia® Geforce™ 310M, 512MB Graphics Hard Drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
Came out to $1000 CDN before tax (August 2010). One downside so far has been the issues with the keyboard. It's good to type on but two clips/caps have broken so far. Gonna install the replacement they sent me tonight. Hopefully the same doesn't happen with that one. The other was overheating when playing games for a prolonged period of time with the GPU on but that was alleviated by just propping up the laptop to allow air flow underneath.
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On March 15 2011 02:40 Mazer wrote:Yea, it's pretty ridic that this has become an argument about desktops vs laptops when the OP is seeking advice for while laptop to get. I got a decent desktop when I started engineering and immediately wished I had just gotten a laptop. I've since switched to programming and gotten a laptop and it's really apparent how convenient it is to have all my shit with me in class or at the library every day. Buying a $2,000 behemoth and having a bad experience with it really doesn't warrant you telling people to buy a desktop instead. Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 14:59 pigtheman wrote:On March 12 2011 19:13 Mazer wrote:On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. 1. If you want performance first and foremost, you'd be silly to buy a laptop. You can pony up and pay for the performance if you really need it though. 2. Obviously going to be more expensive than a PC equivalent but it comes with features that aren't possible with a desktop. 3. I guess people are used to using 19"+ monitors now. I was as well but I've gotten used to my 14" screen. I specifically went for one this size. Again though, if you're going for portability, even if there was a chance of getting a 22" laptop, that would be really silly. 4. My Dell Vostro keyboard is actually really nice to type on imo. I have however had two keys come off (one the cap broke and the second the clip broke) but I had Dell send me a complete keyboard replacement so I guess it isn't that great. 5. Mine has three USB ports, I usually use one for my mouse. Sometimes the 2nd and 3rd for iPods/USB but it's never been a problem. I guess some people could need 4+ at once though. 6. I suppose so, but there are decent warranties out there and it's definitely a lot easier to send a laptop back. 7. I had a pretty good set of customization options through the Dell site (CPU, RAM, OS, discrete GPU option, backlit keyboard, etc.). There are obvious limitations though and a lot of the best laptop deals are always pre-configured set-ups. 8. Again, someone buying a laptop probably isn't going strictly for performance so I'm not sure why OC capabilities should be a primary concern. 9. You're saying laptops are less portable and harder to set up than a desktop? Does that even make sense? 10. Ok, you're really grasping here. I got a Dell Vostro 3400 ~6 months ago and have hardly touched my more powerful desktop since. I don't mind playing SC2 at low-medium settings though and all the other games I play are pretty low demand so it works for me. Seriously, being able to load up an SC2 replay in between study/programming spurts at the library is pretty awesome. Surfing TL and watching BW in bed is amazing too. OP, you really can't go wrong with an ASUS. I personally wouldn't get such a beastly laptop since I would go for portability and battery life but if you really think you need those specs, go for it. Maybe find a slightly better deal though. It feels like that price is the same as it was for similar laptops that I was looking at 6 months ago. I'd imagine it should be a little cheaper now. hey what were the specs for the laptop taht you got? like parts of the vostro did you actually get? Processor New 2010 Intel® Core™ i5-520M (2.40GHz base, up to 2.93GHz, 2C/4T, 3MB L3) Memory 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHZ, 2 DIMM Keyboard Backlit Keyboard with Gesture Touchpad Video Card Nvidia® Geforce™ 310M, 512MB Graphics Hard Drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive Came out to $1000 CDN before tax (August 2010). One downside so far has been the issues with the keyboard. It's good to type on but two clips/caps have broken so far. Gonna install the replacement they sent me tonight. Hopefully the same doesn't happen with that one. The other was overheating when playing games for a prolonged period of time with the GPU on but that was alleviated by just propping up the laptop to allow air flow underneath. thanks!! i might buy one ^^ im pretty much terrible at picking laptops and desktops to everyone telling him to get a desktop... he said hes moving around a lot like every few months or weeks so wouldnt that more beneficial for him to get a laptop? for me i just dont want to movie my computer and monitor back and forth all the time ^^
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On March 15 2011 02:40 Mazer wrote:Yea, it's pretty ridic that this has become an argument about desktops vs laptops when the OP is seeking advice for while laptop to get. I got a decent desktop when I started engineering and immediately wished I had just gotten a laptop. I've since switched to programming and gotten a laptop and it's really apparent how convenient it is to have all my shit with me in class or at the library every day. Buying a $2,000 behemoth and having a bad experience with it really doesn't warrant you telling people to buy a desktop instead. Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 14:59 pigtheman wrote:On March 12 2011 19:13 Mazer wrote:On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. 1. If you want performance first and foremost, you'd be silly to buy a laptop. You can pony up and pay for the performance if you really need it though. 2. Obviously going to be more expensive than a PC equivalent but it comes with features that aren't possible with a desktop. 3. I guess people are used to using 19"+ monitors now. I was as well but I've gotten used to my 14" screen. I specifically went for one this size. Again though, if you're going for portability, even if there was a chance of getting a 22" laptop, that would be really silly. 4. My Dell Vostro keyboard is actually really nice to type on imo. I have however had two keys come off (one the cap broke and the second the clip broke) but I had Dell send me a complete keyboard replacement so I guess it isn't that great. 5. Mine has three USB ports, I usually use one for my mouse. Sometimes the 2nd and 3rd for iPods/USB but it's never been a problem. I guess some people could need 4+ at once though. 6. I suppose so, but there are decent warranties out there and it's definitely a lot easier to send a laptop back. 7. I had a pretty good set of customization options through the Dell site (CPU, RAM, OS, discrete GPU option, backlit keyboard, etc.). There are obvious limitations though and a lot of the best laptop deals are always pre-configured set-ups. 8. Again, someone buying a laptop probably isn't going strictly for performance so I'm not sure why OC capabilities should be a primary concern. 9. You're saying laptops are less portable and harder to set up than a desktop? Does that even make sense? 10. Ok, you're really grasping here. I got a Dell Vostro 3400 ~6 months ago and have hardly touched my more powerful desktop since. I don't mind playing SC2 at low-medium settings though and all the other games I play are pretty low demand so it works for me. Seriously, being able to load up an SC2 replay in between study/programming spurts at the library is pretty awesome. Surfing TL and watching BW in bed is amazing too. OP, you really can't go wrong with an ASUS. I personally wouldn't get such a beastly laptop since I would go for portability and battery life but if you really think you need those specs, go for it. Maybe find a slightly better deal though. It feels like that price is the same as it was for similar laptops that I was looking at 6 months ago. I'd imagine it should be a little cheaper now. hey what were the specs for the laptop taht you got? like parts of the vostro did you actually get? Processor New 2010 Intel® Core™ i5-520M (2.40GHz base, up to 2.93GHz, 2C/4T, 3MB L3) Memory 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHZ, 2 DIMM Keyboard Backlit Keyboard with Gesture Touchpad Video Card Nvidia® Geforce™ 310M, 512MB Graphics Hard Drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive Came out to $1000 CDN before tax (August 2010). One downside so far has been the issues with the keyboard. It's good to type on but two clips/caps have broken so far. Gonna install the replacement they sent me tonight. Hopefully the same doesn't happen with that one. The other was overheating when playing games for a prolonged period of time with the GPU on but that was alleviated by just propping up the laptop to allow air flow underneath. People have not read my post on page 2 and keep arguing off topic. Since this thread is a personal request for help of mine, i would be really sad if its got closed b4 i have a laptop on my hand due to some "off topic reasons"....
@Mazer: hmm, that looks fine, 1k in August should be round 800 by now... mind telling me where u got it so i could study the market price? :D...
Back in august i would be happy to settle with an i5 but now once sandy bridge came out. I feel like i5 will soon lose it price in no time -> i7 is a little bit safer x(
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On March 15 2011 01:07 MasterOfChaos wrote: Why do people need to argue for the superiority of Desktops in every damn Laptop thread? Just because it's good for your usage pattern doesn't mean it's good for everyone. I for one think that switching between laptop and desktop all the time, synchronizing your data and installed software... is highly annoying.
I don't think anybody is saying: 'don't get a laptop at all, get a desktop'.
Instead, most are suggesting spending money on a cheap, portable laptop and a mid end gaming desktop rather than an expensive gaming laptop.
Each form factor has its advantages: desktop for power, laptop for portability. Most savvy users are suggesting that a gaming laptop is a poor compromise.
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On March 15 2011 23:39 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 02:40 Mazer wrote:Yea, it's pretty ridic that this has become an argument about desktops vs laptops when the OP is seeking advice for while laptop to get. I got a decent desktop when I started engineering and immediately wished I had just gotten a laptop. I've since switched to programming and gotten a laptop and it's really apparent how convenient it is to have all my shit with me in class or at the library every day. Buying a $2,000 behemoth and having a bad experience with it really doesn't warrant you telling people to buy a desktop instead. On March 14 2011 14:59 pigtheman wrote:On March 12 2011 19:13 Mazer wrote:On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. 1. If you want performance first and foremost, you'd be silly to buy a laptop. You can pony up and pay for the performance if you really need it though. 2. Obviously going to be more expensive than a PC equivalent but it comes with features that aren't possible with a desktop. 3. I guess people are used to using 19"+ monitors now. I was as well but I've gotten used to my 14" screen. I specifically went for one this size. Again though, if you're going for portability, even if there was a chance of getting a 22" laptop, that would be really silly. 4. My Dell Vostro keyboard is actually really nice to type on imo. I have however had two keys come off (one the cap broke and the second the clip broke) but I had Dell send me a complete keyboard replacement so I guess it isn't that great. 5. Mine has three USB ports, I usually use one for my mouse. Sometimes the 2nd and 3rd for iPods/USB but it's never been a problem. I guess some people could need 4+ at once though. 6. I suppose so, but there are decent warranties out there and it's definitely a lot easier to send a laptop back. 7. I had a pretty good set of customization options through the Dell site (CPU, RAM, OS, discrete GPU option, backlit keyboard, etc.). There are obvious limitations though and a lot of the best laptop deals are always pre-configured set-ups. 8. Again, someone buying a laptop probably isn't going strictly for performance so I'm not sure why OC capabilities should be a primary concern. 9. You're saying laptops are less portable and harder to set up than a desktop? Does that even make sense? 10. Ok, you're really grasping here. I got a Dell Vostro 3400 ~6 months ago and have hardly touched my more powerful desktop since. I don't mind playing SC2 at low-medium settings though and all the other games I play are pretty low demand so it works for me. Seriously, being able to load up an SC2 replay in between study/programming spurts at the library is pretty awesome. Surfing TL and watching BW in bed is amazing too. OP, you really can't go wrong with an ASUS. I personally wouldn't get such a beastly laptop since I would go for portability and battery life but if you really think you need those specs, go for it. Maybe find a slightly better deal though. It feels like that price is the same as it was for similar laptops that I was looking at 6 months ago. I'd imagine it should be a little cheaper now. hey what were the specs for the laptop taht you got? like parts of the vostro did you actually get? Processor New 2010 Intel® Core™ i5-520M (2.40GHz base, up to 2.93GHz, 2C/4T, 3MB L3) Memory 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHZ, 2 DIMM Keyboard Backlit Keyboard with Gesture Touchpad Video Card Nvidia® Geforce™ 310M, 512MB Graphics Hard Drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive Came out to $1000 CDN before tax (August 2010). One downside so far has been the issues with the keyboard. It's good to type on but two clips/caps have broken so far. Gonna install the replacement they sent me tonight. Hopefully the same doesn't happen with that one. The other was overheating when playing games for a prolonged period of time with the GPU on but that was alleviated by just propping up the laptop to allow air flow underneath. People have not read my post on page 2 and keep arguing off topic. Since this thread is a personal request for help of mine, i would be really sad if its got closed b4 i have a laptop on my hand due to some "off topic reasons".... @Mazer: hmm, that looks fine, 1k in August should be round 800 by now... mind telling me where u got it so i could study the market price? :D... Back in august i would be happy to settle with an i5 but now once sandy bridge came out. I feel like i5 will soon lose it price in no time -> i7 is a little bit safer x(
The real question is:
Do you NEED an i7? If you're getting something that doesn't depreciate in value, you're thinking of financial instruments. I buy a laptop or I buy a car with the full knowledge that it WILL depreciate in value, but at least it suits my needs and what I want.
It's resale value and depreciation rate should not be factor in your purchase unless you plan on reselling.
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On March 15 2011 01:35 Moody wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 01:07 MasterOfChaos wrote:Why do people need to argue for the superiority of Desktops in every damn Laptop thread? Just because it's good for your usage pattern doesn't mean it's good for everyone. I for one think that switching between laptop and desktop all the time, synchronizing your data and installed software... is highly annoying. On March 14 2011 18:05 Teivospy wrote: laptops are the biggest wastes of money, you don't need one if you're going to university unless you like lying to yourself. So you know what everybody needs better then them and assume that they are lying to themselves if they think that a laptop is more useful for them than a desktop. Don't you think that's slighly arrogant? I would have to say that people assuming they need a lap top for college is a bit silly. I can say this, because I got one for college, and it RARELY left my desk in my apartment. I bought a $2,000 Alienware in 2005, and by 2008 it was unusable due to over heating and I couldn't upgrade anything. I THOUGHT I would need a lap top to take to class / library / friends houses... but when your laptop is 2 inches thick and could kill a small child if dropped, it's not worth the trouble to move it. It was too big and bulky to quickly pack it up and take it to a friends house or to take it home. Honestly, the only advantage of having a lap top vs having a desktop in a small-medium case is that you don't have to pack up a monitor. I bought the desk top that I am currently using in September of last year, and I have moved it more than I moved my Alienware laptop. Just sayin'
It's not silly at all. I bought my laptop for uni and I just threw it in my backpack and took it everywhere. It was especially good when learning with my mate. We could hand outside in the green using his wireless not beeing bound to a fucking desk we would hang out the rest of the days anyway.
I also did a strong decision against one of those faggy netbooks as my Laptop needed still some power to compile or simulate electric networks. I would also hate to look into a small netbook screen.
Nowadays I don't need my laptop that much anymore as I got better things to do than hanging in front of a PC when visiting friends but I never ever regreted getting a laptop for uni.
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On March 10 2011 12:53 EZjijy wrote: Wasn't sandy bridge integrated graphics good enough to run sc2 pretty smoothly above low settings?
The SB can run SC2 on Medium. I personally changed the CPU dependent aspects to High and kept the rest (such as shaders) on Low.
I had to change from 1920x1080 to 1280x720 whilst using the integrated graphics alone to gain performance (even on low graphics, in 'busy' situations the frame rates can drop significantly on full HD). I wouldn't recommend using the integrated graphics as final solution though.
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On March 16 2011 01:13 Antimage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 23:39 NB wrote:On March 15 2011 02:40 Mazer wrote:Yea, it's pretty ridic that this has become an argument about desktops vs laptops when the OP is seeking advice for while laptop to get. I got a decent desktop when I started engineering and immediately wished I had just gotten a laptop. I've since switched to programming and gotten a laptop and it's really apparent how convenient it is to have all my shit with me in class or at the library every day. Buying a $2,000 behemoth and having a bad experience with it really doesn't warrant you telling people to buy a desktop instead. On March 14 2011 14:59 pigtheman wrote:On March 12 2011 19:13 Mazer wrote:On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. 1. If you want performance first and foremost, you'd be silly to buy a laptop. You can pony up and pay for the performance if you really need it though. 2. Obviously going to be more expensive than a PC equivalent but it comes with features that aren't possible with a desktop. 3. I guess people are used to using 19"+ monitors now. I was as well but I've gotten used to my 14" screen. I specifically went for one this size. Again though, if you're going for portability, even if there was a chance of getting a 22" laptop, that would be really silly. 4. My Dell Vostro keyboard is actually really nice to type on imo. I have however had two keys come off (one the cap broke and the second the clip broke) but I had Dell send me a complete keyboard replacement so I guess it isn't that great. 5. Mine has three USB ports, I usually use one for my mouse. Sometimes the 2nd and 3rd for iPods/USB but it's never been a problem. I guess some people could need 4+ at once though. 6. I suppose so, but there are decent warranties out there and it's definitely a lot easier to send a laptop back. 7. I had a pretty good set of customization options through the Dell site (CPU, RAM, OS, discrete GPU option, backlit keyboard, etc.). There are obvious limitations though and a lot of the best laptop deals are always pre-configured set-ups. 8. Again, someone buying a laptop probably isn't going strictly for performance so I'm not sure why OC capabilities should be a primary concern. 9. You're saying laptops are less portable and harder to set up than a desktop? Does that even make sense? 10. Ok, you're really grasping here. I got a Dell Vostro 3400 ~6 months ago and have hardly touched my more powerful desktop since. I don't mind playing SC2 at low-medium settings though and all the other games I play are pretty low demand so it works for me. Seriously, being able to load up an SC2 replay in between study/programming spurts at the library is pretty awesome. Surfing TL and watching BW in bed is amazing too. OP, you really can't go wrong with an ASUS. I personally wouldn't get such a beastly laptop since I would go for portability and battery life but if you really think you need those specs, go for it. Maybe find a slightly better deal though. It feels like that price is the same as it was for similar laptops that I was looking at 6 months ago. I'd imagine it should be a little cheaper now. hey what were the specs for the laptop taht you got? like parts of the vostro did you actually get? Processor New 2010 Intel® Core™ i5-520M (2.40GHz base, up to 2.93GHz, 2C/4T, 3MB L3) Memory 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHZ, 2 DIMM Keyboard Backlit Keyboard with Gesture Touchpad Video Card Nvidia® Geforce™ 310M, 512MB Graphics Hard Drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive Came out to $1000 CDN before tax (August 2010). One downside so far has been the issues with the keyboard. It's good to type on but two clips/caps have broken so far. Gonna install the replacement they sent me tonight. Hopefully the same doesn't happen with that one. The other was overheating when playing games for a prolonged period of time with the GPU on but that was alleviated by just propping up the laptop to allow air flow underneath. People have not read my post on page 2 and keep arguing off topic. Since this thread is a personal request for help of mine, i would be really sad if its got closed b4 i have a laptop on my hand due to some "off topic reasons".... @Mazer: hmm, that looks fine, 1k in August should be round 800 by now... mind telling me where u got it so i could study the market price? :D... Back in august i would be happy to settle with an i5 but now once sandy bridge came out. I feel like i5 will soon lose it price in no time -> i7 is a little bit safer x( The real question is: Do you NEED an i7? If you're getting something that doesn't depreciate in value, you're thinking of financial instruments. I buy a laptop or I buy a car with the full knowledge that it WILL depreciate in value, but at least it suits my needs and what I want. It's resale value and depreciation rate should not be factor in your purchase unless you plan on reselling. i have thought about that actually... but then software factor scared me off. What if they raise the requirements shit for heart of the swarm the P expansion??
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On March 10 2011 12:38 NB wrote: So I am about to buy this laptop this weekend or next weekend and i REALLY REALLY want to know all the downside of it before i make the final decision. Spending a lots of money on a brick because of all the advertisements has never been a wise choice to me.
Name: ASUS G53JW-A1 Price: $1299.99 (CND cash) + tax CPU: i7 740QM (is this sandy bridge?) RAM: 6GB GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M 1.5GB HDD: 750GB LCD: 15.6" FHD (1920x1080) LED
extra: win7, usb 3.0, webcam 2.0M, bluetooth and they mentioned smthing about free gaming mouse + backpack.... The laptop itself is a brick with 2 HUGE exausht fans and quite heavy but i guess it should be like that due to i7
i compare to other places price and see this is a pretty decent deal but still, im a student and really want to spend my money smart x(....
Please help!
1) wait for sandy bridge processors in laptops (I have ordered a Dell XPS 17 with i7-2630qm). they are faster and they use less energy (=battery last longer). with optimus you also use the intel integrated graphics in sandy bridge to make battery last even longer and it helps with the heat also 2) i prefer 2 modules of 2Gb ram in windows 7. its more than enough imho. what are you gonna use it primarily for? 3) is the hard drive 7200rpm? best choice would be an SSD followed with an 7200rpm drive i guess 4) imho full HD in 15,6'' is a bit straining to the eyes.. 5) the laptop seems expensive. check out dell.ca 6) what warranty you get? thats really important in laptops imho
The things that I like are the GPU and the brand. Asus have a good reputation when it comes to laptops.
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On March 10 2011 13:00 nigritude wrote: strongly advise against HP laptops.. but sandy bridge is worth it This. Their service techs are incompetent and take months to get anything done in the event that something DOES happen to your laptop (hardware does spontaneously fail sometimes.)
Not only that, but I've had an HP laptop returned and still not fully functional. They needed to replace the motherboard, but when we got it back the Optical drive wasn't connected to the motherboard at all because their techs didn't reassemble it correctly and forgot to put a connection board (about 1cm connector part) into the motherboard that basically does nothing else but connect & seat the optical drive. The story goes on, and a 2 month old, high end laptop was in HPs possession for more time than we had had it, and I ended up disassembling the laptop and replacing the part myself for $3 from a parts supply store before I dared hand the laptop over to HP a third time.
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On March 16 2011 02:29 NB wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2011 01:13 Antimage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 23:39 NB wrote:On March 15 2011 02:40 Mazer wrote:Yea, it's pretty ridic that this has become an argument about desktops vs laptops when the OP is seeking advice for while laptop to get. I got a decent desktop when I started engineering and immediately wished I had just gotten a laptop. I've since switched to programming and gotten a laptop and it's really apparent how convenient it is to have all my shit with me in class or at the library every day. Buying a $2,000 behemoth and having a bad experience with it really doesn't warrant you telling people to buy a desktop instead. On March 14 2011 14:59 pigtheman wrote:On March 12 2011 19:13 Mazer wrote:On March 12 2011 17:35 Hectic wrote: 1. laptops are not powerful enough 2. laptops are expensive 3. laptops have small screens 4. laptops keyboards are crap 5. laptops never have enough USB ports 6. laptops are more difficult to repair if they break 7. laptops do not allow you to customise your hardware and upgrade 8. laptops get hot and are not good for overclocking 9. laptops are a pain to set up and move around 10. the enthusiast PC parts market should be supported to help keep pushing PC technology at the cutting edge.
that took me about 1 minute 30 seconds
seriously though if you need one so you have a computer to work on at university then i guess you dont have a choice.
If i HAD to buy a laptop for travelling and i was trying to save money, i would get a piece of shit one for cheap, and then build a cheap desktop PC for home which would be twice as powerful as the most expensive gaming laptop. 1. If you want performance first and foremost, you'd be silly to buy a laptop. You can pony up and pay for the performance if you really need it though. 2. Obviously going to be more expensive than a PC equivalent but it comes with features that aren't possible with a desktop. 3. I guess people are used to using 19"+ monitors now. I was as well but I've gotten used to my 14" screen. I specifically went for one this size. Again though, if you're going for portability, even if there was a chance of getting a 22" laptop, that would be really silly. 4. My Dell Vostro keyboard is actually really nice to type on imo. I have however had two keys come off (one the cap broke and the second the clip broke) but I had Dell send me a complete keyboard replacement so I guess it isn't that great. 5. Mine has three USB ports, I usually use one for my mouse. Sometimes the 2nd and 3rd for iPods/USB but it's never been a problem. I guess some people could need 4+ at once though. 6. I suppose so, but there are decent warranties out there and it's definitely a lot easier to send a laptop back. 7. I had a pretty good set of customization options through the Dell site (CPU, RAM, OS, discrete GPU option, backlit keyboard, etc.). There are obvious limitations though and a lot of the best laptop deals are always pre-configured set-ups. 8. Again, someone buying a laptop probably isn't going strictly for performance so I'm not sure why OC capabilities should be a primary concern. 9. You're saying laptops are less portable and harder to set up than a desktop? Does that even make sense? 10. Ok, you're really grasping here. I got a Dell Vostro 3400 ~6 months ago and have hardly touched my more powerful desktop since. I don't mind playing SC2 at low-medium settings though and all the other games I play are pretty low demand so it works for me. Seriously, being able to load up an SC2 replay in between study/programming spurts at the library is pretty awesome. Surfing TL and watching BW in bed is amazing too. OP, you really can't go wrong with an ASUS. I personally wouldn't get such a beastly laptop since I would go for portability and battery life but if you really think you need those specs, go for it. Maybe find a slightly better deal though. It feels like that price is the same as it was for similar laptops that I was looking at 6 months ago. I'd imagine it should be a little cheaper now. hey what were the specs for the laptop taht you got? like parts of the vostro did you actually get? Processor New 2010 Intel® Core™ i5-520M (2.40GHz base, up to 2.93GHz, 2C/4T, 3MB L3) Memory 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHZ, 2 DIMM Keyboard Backlit Keyboard with Gesture Touchpad Video Card Nvidia® Geforce™ 310M, 512MB Graphics Hard Drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive Came out to $1000 CDN before tax (August 2010). One downside so far has been the issues with the keyboard. It's good to type on but two clips/caps have broken so far. Gonna install the replacement they sent me tonight. Hopefully the same doesn't happen with that one. The other was overheating when playing games for a prolonged period of time with the GPU on but that was alleviated by just propping up the laptop to allow air flow underneath. People have not read my post on page 2 and keep arguing off topic. Since this thread is a personal request for help of mine, i would be really sad if its got closed b4 i have a laptop on my hand due to some "off topic reasons".... @Mazer: hmm, that looks fine, 1k in August should be round 800 by now... mind telling me where u got it so i could study the market price? :D... Back in august i would be happy to settle with an i5 but now once sandy bridge came out. I feel like i5 will soon lose it price in no time -> i7 is a little bit safer x( The real question is: Do you NEED an i7? If you're getting something that doesn't depreciate in value, you're thinking of financial instruments. I buy a laptop or I buy a car with the full knowledge that it WILL depreciate in value, but at least it suits my needs and what I want. It's resale value and depreciation rate should not be factor in your purchase unless you plan on reselling. i have thought about that actually... but then software factor scared me off. What if they raise the requirements shit for heart of the swarm the P expansion??
I'm 100% positive that will never happen. Never ever never ever. Where in heavens did u get that thought from?
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