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ya i already realize this before buying it quote from razer
"Q. Why are the function keys on the Razer BlackWidow shifted slightly more to the right?
A. Our ergonomics team has made subtle changes to the placement of the keytop – while most of the placement of the keys have been retained to allow gamers to immediately get used to the key locations, we have shifted the F-key row to the right slightly to align the F1 key directly above the W of the WASD home keys. Extensive ergonomics tests have shown that this new alignment will allow faster keypress accuracy for games that require the use of the F-key row. Some slight adjustment will be required."
might take a while to get used to but i rather have gotten used to it
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It'll make it a bit harder for SC players to utilize the camera hotkeys on the F buttons if it ever gets implemented :/
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dont they already have the camera hotkeys on the F button ( ctrl + F4-F8?)
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On October 22 2010 02:15 CaptainFwiffo wrote:
Aside from Razer's apparent QC issues, there are plenty of other features (or anti-features) of other mechanical keyboards (e.g. Filco, Steelseries, etc.) that might override the Black Widow's price advantage:
If you want a cheap mechanical just get a Model M off ebay for <$30
Maybe it's nothing to do with price maybe they just prefer this board over filco? i know thats hard for some people to understand around here.
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I think about getting this keyboard, but there's one thing I want to know: Are the characters on the keys just printed / glued upon or are they nicely lasered?
Thanks :-)
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On November 07 2010 21:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 02:15 CaptainFwiffo wrote:
Aside from Razer's apparent QC issues, there are plenty of other features (or anti-features) of other mechanical keyboards (e.g. Filco, Steelseries, etc.) that might override the Black Widow's price advantage:
If you want a cheap mechanical just get a Model M off ebay for <$30 Maybe it's nothing to do with price maybe they just prefer this board over filco? i know thats hard for some people to understand around here.
I bet you most people won't get the Model M just because of looks. I'll be one of the people that admits that they want a mechanical keyboard, but don't want it to look outdated (purely my opinion). I bought a BlackWidow because it was the cheapest option for a mechanical keyboard that looked good. Maybe next time I'll get a Filco, but right now, $40 more for a keyboard wasn't gona happen.
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To be honest I see no reason to get these high end keyboards the old ones are just as good imo and the antighosting or whatever it's called isn't really needed for rts.
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On November 08 2010 09:54 simme123 wrote:
To be honest I see no reason to get these high end keyboards the old ones are just as good imo and the antighosting or whatever it's called isn't really needed for rts.
Like I said before. Looks. That's why most people won't get them. I guess space could be an issue too. Model Ms are pretty big and my desk is already fairly cluttered.
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On November 07 2010 23:28 N4zroth wrote:
I think about getting this keyboard, but there's one thing I want to know: Are the characters on the keys just printed / glued upon or are they nicely lasered?
Thanks :-)
Here's a closeup of them
They don't look glued to me but I'm not an expert at this.
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Those definitely don't look glued on to me.
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from a reply i got a guy said its was laser etched
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ahh lasered , filcos are only glued (pad printed)
For the price they charge for the filco it should be laser etched at the least if not inked
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On November 08 2010 09:48 Joementum wrote:
I bet you most people won't get the Model M just because of looks. I'll be one of the people that admits that they want a mechanical keyboard, but don't want it to look outdated (purely my opinion). I bought a BlackWidow because it was the cheapest option for a mechanical keyboard that looked good. Maybe next time I'll get a Filco, but right now, $40 more for a keyboard wasn't gona happen.
It's function over form.
Like the blackwidow has that shiny surface that looks great , until you get fingerprints all over it the first time you use it.Then you have to clean it after every time you use it so it still looks good? lol no thanks not for me.
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On November 08 2010 16:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:48 Joementum wrote:
I bet you most people won't get the Model M just because of looks. I'll be one of the people that admits that they want a mechanical keyboard, but don't want it to look outdated (purely my opinion). I bought a BlackWidow because it was the cheapest option for a mechanical keyboard that looked good. Maybe next time I'll get a Filco, but right now, $40 more for a keyboard wasn't gona happen. It's function over form. Like the blackwidow has that shiny surface that looks great , until you get fingerprints all over it the first time you use it.Then you have to clean it after every time you use it so it still looks good? lol no thanks not for me.
it also have the windows key  i'll take the tenkeyless filco over it any day though. the razer is just unnecessarily huge.
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On November 08 2010 16:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
ahh lasered , filcos are only glued (pad printed)
For the price they charge for the filco it should be laser etched at the least if not inked
Actually the coating on filco keycaps has been shown to protect the lettering extremely well. The lettering survived on the filco even when the rest of the plastic had pretty much melted away.
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Source:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Das S Lasered Keys Versus Filco Pad Printed - FIGHT
Laser etching does win the sandblaster abrasion test but really... Both tests are extreme conditions that your keyboard will/should never be subjected to. Both the laser etched and filco protective coated keys will last a very long time.
That said I would prefer it if my Filco had the "two shot" moulded keycaps instead of laser or printed lettering because I think the amazing contrast it gives the keys/lettering looks kick ass.
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On November 08 2010 17:58 Uninstall wrote:it also have the windows key i'll take the tenkeyless filco over it any day though. the razer is just unnecessarily huge.
oh ok
when i want to use windows key i just press ctrl-esc at the same time , brings up the windows menu
i prefer no windows key because you don't accidentaly press it during a game or something and it allows the space bar to be larger.there's no chance of missing alt/ctrl either.
whatever floats your boat though.
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The tests are interesting but you see even the cheap $10 logitech keyboard survived the acetone but as we all know those cheap logitech boards the keys become shiny and the lettering wears off after medium to long term use.Thats my main gripe with the cheaper pad printed method.
Here's a guy whos filco keys are starting to shine after only one month
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=7474
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@iPlaY.NettleS if you read further in that thread you will see pics of all sorts of mechanical keyboards with the same problem.
Shiny keys is a common problem across any keyboard, people reported no lettering wearing off on Filcos though.
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CreamCorn is right but I just thought I'd add that the problem comes to all plastic eventually. It just happens to some people quicker because of the different chemicals in their sweat and how oily their fingers/hands are can cause different reactions with the plastic.
My old DEC mechanical keyboard's keycaps are completely shiny except for keys like pause, scroll lock, etc and even those aren't anything like they used to be.
Peoples fingers can become quite abrasive on their own depending on the environment you are in. You can quite easily pick up hundreds of bits of dirt/metal/glass in the ridges of your fingerprints. This is also why people that used to touch their glass CRT monitors a lot would eventually end up with a uncleanable cloudy screen. It wasn't dirty, there were just thousands of tiny scratches in the glass that had slowly built up over the years.
I guess a solution would be to make the keys out of a more resilient material but would people be willing to pay for that when it isn't that much of a problem?
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The problem is that there aren't that many materials that fit the manufacturing requirements of keyboards (in terms of cost, weight, ability to be molded, not too much expansion/shrinkage, won't change physical properties over time) and are so wear resistant that they won't eventually become shiny.
Backlit keyboards are often worse (particularly those with rubberized coatings); the black coating can be thin or not very wear-resistant, so you can wear right through it quickly, so your keys just have light blobs in the middle of them instead of nice lettering.
However, keycaps can be replaced if you find they are too worn after a few years of use.
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