• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:25
CEST 07:25
KST 14:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET6Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)80Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition32
StarCraft 2
General
Revisiting the game after10 years and wow it's bad The New Patch Killed Mech! TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada herO Talks: Poor Performance at EWC and more...
Tourneys
INu's Battles#13 < ByuN vs Zoun > Tenacious Turtle Tussle SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BSL Season 21 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW caster Sayle BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal B Azhi's Colosseum - Anonymous Tournament [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Relatively freeroll strategies Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Series you have seen recently... Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Heroism of Pepe the Fro…
Peanutsc
Rocket League: Traits, Abili…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1486 users

Computer Build Resource Thread - Page 730

Forum Index > Tech Support
Post a Reply
Prev 1 728 729 730 731 732 1626 Next
When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 12:55:42
November 14 2011 12:46 GMT
#14581
On November 14 2011 15:36 Womwomwom wrote:
Seriously speaking, you're better off saving $500-600 then buying a whole new computer. Nearly everything in that build needs to be replaced if you want it to last:
1) The processor is aging but might be salvageable. The original Phenom is around 10-30% slower than the Phenom II clock for clock...which is not good for games that need a decent CPU.
2) That power supply looks like one of those SFX PSU and probably isn't ATX spec - the efficiency, noise, and ability to dissipate heat will likely be terrible compared to a modern ATX power supply. If the PSU is a STX PSU, then the case then shouldn't be compatible with ATX power supplies.
3) The GPU probably can't run any modern games properly.

Since the case, power supply, processor, and GPU is obsolete, you're pretty much required to buy a whole new computer anyway. Despite what Shikyo says, you can't just buy a new GPU and power supply because the power supply probably won't even fit in your desktop. The most that can probably be salvageable is the hard drive (is it IDE or SATA?) and the DVD/CD-ROM drive.

Yeah, I didn't see / he didn't tell me that it wasn't a standard ATX case <_< Actually I still haven't seen a picture of the case but.

There's a few STX PSUs available like some 350W Be Quiet! model that he could upgrade to but I'm not sure if that'd be intelligent.

It's true that he'd be better off replacing the entire computer as as he's going to have to replace the case as well and he'd be having CPU problems down the road.

The good news is that you can buy an entire new computer with a 300$ budget if you don't need to get a HDD or the OS.

On November 14 2011 21:29 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 21:19 skyR wrote:
What the hell? Why were you considering downgrading from a Phenom II to a A6?

Most games (which includes Skyrim) doesn't utilize more than two threads so having a billion core cpu is useless. A core i3 is better than a second generation Phenom. Though many would consider this a sidegrade and not an upgrade. With such a tight budget, I'm not sure why you are considering this.



My computer (that has the Phenom) is in the States.. I couldn't manage to bring it here and I regret it

Anyway, if most games don't utilize more than two threads, then I might as well get the i3....The i3-2120 is better than the i3-2100 right? It seems to be very similarly priced in Kakaku so I'm going to get the 2120...what do you think?

Yeah, i3 2120 would be the way to go assuming you're on a budget. It's similiar / better than i5 2400 in single- and doublethreaded tasks(most gaming, notably SC2, Skyrim), but obviously slower in others. Still the hyperthreading is going to help there.

For the graphics card, assuming you're on a budget, you'd probably be looking at something like 6770 or possibly the 6850 if you want it to last a bit longer / play at nicer details.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
November 14 2011 13:46 GMT
#14582

Ok. Here is the final decision. I'm about to buy the parts asap.

i3-2120 Processor
Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 - 1GB
Ram Corsair 8 GB DDR3-1333
GIGABYTE GA-H61M-DS2
Western Digital 200AAJB (320GB U100 7200) Hard Drive (Is U100 ok?)
Enermax 450W Power Supply
Antec 300 Case


is it looking compatible? Give me the signal and I'll pull the trigger
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 14 2011 14:13 GMT
#14583
That HDD seems to be IDE and it's much slower than SATA. If it's really cheap I guess it's okay but I'd still try to get a faster HDD.

Assuming the RAM is 1.5V it should be okay.

For the case I'd get this instead, cheaper and better:
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000232423/
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 14:18:17
November 14 2011 14:13 GMT
#14584
Is this the model of hard disk you are looking at?
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000027924/?lid=ksearch_kakakuitem_title

I believe its a Caviar SE drive, which is really, really old. We used to go nuts over them in 2005 haha.

You want at least this:
http://kakaku.com/item/05302515805/

This is a Caviar Blue. Its a recent 7200RPM drive which is really snappy.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 14:20:39
November 14 2011 14:19 GMT
#14585
Yup. This is the ram I was looking at: http://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/goods/0405968830018/

Thats the HD I was looking at but now I chose to get the
250 GB one https://www.nature-net.co.jp/e-commex/cgi-bin/ex_disp_item_detail/id/hdd_ide-00008/

I was originally going to get a better HD but because of the flooding and the HD price rise, I can't afford to pay $80 for a hard drive, especially on a budget PC. Should I just get a SATA one then?

EDIT: Okay. If it's that necessary, I will choose the SATA one.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 14:27:43
November 14 2011 14:26 GMT
#14586
IDE drives are likely to be slow as shit not because of the IDE connection but their age. Over the years, we've have a lot of advances in hard drive technology.

If you must have a computer now, have no chance to save cash (you're doing the JET program?), and your motherboard has an IDE port, you can get away with the IDE drive. I'd really try and get a modern SATA-based hard disk like the Caviar Blue I listed however.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
November 14 2011 14:45 GMT
#14587
I'm picking the HD you suggested. I'm not doing the JET program but its very similar to it. I think I'm good to go!
Isaac
Profile Joined August 2010
United States810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 16:28:20
November 14 2011 16:27 GMT
#14588
On November 14 2011 21:46 Shikyo wrote:

Yeah, I didn't see / he didn't tell me that it wasn't a standard ATX case <_< Actually I still haven't seen a picture of the case but.


Sorry. I didn't know.
I think im going to wait a few years to play skyrim. too bad there isnt a refund policy.
number one fan of marineking
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 14 2011 16:29 GMT
#14589
So it appears that Sandy Bridge E actually delivers. It seems to be better than 2500k and 2600k in some singlethreaded tasks while being at least equal in others and beating both in multithreaded tasks and seems to also be better than both 2500k and 2600k in gaming. And as the 4-channel memory of 2011 is almost twice as fast as the 2-channel memory of 1155, I'd say it'd be a valid choice, especially as this non-extreme version:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492

Is still just about as good as the extreme version and so-and-so reasonably priced, it might actually be a legit option in high budget builds.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 16:38:00
November 14 2011 16:34 GMT
#14590
On November 14 2011 21:46 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 21:29 GhostOwl wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:19 skyR wrote:
What the hell? Why were you considering downgrading from a Phenom II to a A6?

Most games (which includes Skyrim) doesn't utilize more than two threads so having a billion core cpu is useless. A core i3 is better than a second generation Phenom. Though many would consider this a sidegrade and not an upgrade. With such a tight budget, I'm not sure why you are considering this.



My computer (that has the Phenom) is in the States.. I couldn't manage to bring it here and I regret it

Anyway, if most games don't utilize more than two threads, then I might as well get the i3....The i3-2120 is better than the i3-2100 right? It seems to be very similarly priced in Kakaku so I'm going to get the 2120...what do you think?

Yeah, i3 2120 would be the way to go assuming you're on a budget. It's similiar / better than i5 2400 in single- and doublethreaded tasks(most gaming, notably SC2, Skyrim), but obviously slower in others. Still the hyperthreading is going to help there.

For the graphics card, assuming you're on a budget, you'd probably be looking at something like 6770 or possibly the 6850 if you want it to last a bit longer / play at nicer details.


Won't the i3 2120 perform worse in gaming because it doesn't have turboboost?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 14 2011 16:40 GMT
#14591
On November 15 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 21:46 Shikyo wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:29 GhostOwl wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:19 skyR wrote:
What the hell? Why were you considering downgrading from a Phenom II to a A6?

Most games (which includes Skyrim) doesn't utilize more than two threads so having a billion core cpu is useless. A core i3 is better than a second generation Phenom. Though many would consider this a sidegrade and not an upgrade. With such a tight budget, I'm not sure why you are considering this.



My computer (that has the Phenom) is in the States.. I couldn't manage to bring it here and I regret it

Anyway, if most games don't utilize more than two threads, then I might as well get the i3....The i3-2120 is better than the i3-2100 right? It seems to be very similarly priced in Kakaku so I'm going to get the 2120...what do you think?

Yeah, i3 2120 would be the way to go assuming you're on a budget. It's similiar / better than i5 2400 in single- and doublethreaded tasks(most gaming, notably SC2, Skyrim), but obviously slower in others. Still the hyperthreading is going to help there.

For the graphics card, assuming you're on a budget, you'd probably be looking at something like 6770 or possibly the 6850 if you want it to last a bit longer / play at nicer details.


Won't the i3 2120 perform worse in gaming because it doesn't have turboboost?

Well it'd be same speed as i5 2400 actually -.- my bad, I guess "better for cost" would be more correct
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 16:50:19
November 14 2011 16:47 GMT
#14592
On November 15 2011 01:40 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:46 Shikyo wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:29 GhostOwl wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:19 skyR wrote:
What the hell? Why were you considering downgrading from a Phenom II to a A6?

Most games (which includes Skyrim) doesn't utilize more than two threads so having a billion core cpu is useless. A core i3 is better than a second generation Phenom. Though many would consider this a sidegrade and not an upgrade. With such a tight budget, I'm not sure why you are considering this.



My computer (that has the Phenom) is in the States.. I couldn't manage to bring it here and I regret it

Anyway, if most games don't utilize more than two threads, then I might as well get the i3....The i3-2120 is better than the i3-2100 right? It seems to be very similarly priced in Kakaku so I'm going to get the 2120...what do you think?

Yeah, i3 2120 would be the way to go assuming you're on a budget. It's similiar / better than i5 2400 in single- and doublethreaded tasks(most gaming, notably SC2, Skyrim), but obviously slower in others. Still the hyperthreading is going to help there.

For the graphics card, assuming you're on a budget, you'd probably be looking at something like 6770 or possibly the 6850 if you want it to last a bit longer / play at nicer details.


Won't the i3 2120 perform worse in gaming because it doesn't have turboboost?

Well it'd be same speed as i5 2400 actually -.- my bad, I guess "better for cost" would be more correct


Yeah, I just looked up the i3 2120, is the only difference from the i3 2100 the clock speed at 3.3 instead of 3.1? Even though SC2 is only optimized for two cores, doesn't it still marginally use more if you have them? I was just under the assumption it wasn't very efficiently used. I know in benchmarks the i3 2100 is shit on by the i5 2400 and I don't think the marginal difference in clock speed could be the only difference (not saying the extra cores are the difference, either. I'm just saying I didn't think it was as straight forward as you're making it).

I do understand though as you said in terms of cost.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 14 2011 16:51 GMT
#14593
On November 15 2011 01:47 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 01:40 Shikyo wrote:
On November 15 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:46 Shikyo wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:29 GhostOwl wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:19 skyR wrote:
What the hell? Why were you considering downgrading from a Phenom II to a A6?

Most games (which includes Skyrim) doesn't utilize more than two threads so having a billion core cpu is useless. A core i3 is better than a second generation Phenom. Though many would consider this a sidegrade and not an upgrade. With such a tight budget, I'm not sure why you are considering this.



My computer (that has the Phenom) is in the States.. I couldn't manage to bring it here and I regret it

Anyway, if most games don't utilize more than two threads, then I might as well get the i3....The i3-2120 is better than the i3-2100 right? It seems to be very similarly priced in Kakaku so I'm going to get the 2120...what do you think?

Yeah, i3 2120 would be the way to go assuming you're on a budget. It's similiar / better than i5 2400 in single- and doublethreaded tasks(most gaming, notably SC2, Skyrim), but obviously slower in others. Still the hyperthreading is going to help there.

For the graphics card, assuming you're on a budget, you'd probably be looking at something like 6770 or possibly the 6850 if you want it to last a bit longer / play at nicer details.


Won't the i3 2120 perform worse in gaming because it doesn't have turboboost?

Well it'd be same speed as i5 2400 actually -.- my bad, I guess "better for cost" would be more correct


Yeah, I just looked up the i3 2120, is the only difference from the i3 2100 the clock speed at 3.3 instead of 3.1? Even though SC2 is only optimized for two cores, doesn't it still marginally use more if you have them? I was just under the assumption it wasn't very efficiently used. I know in benchmarks the i3 2100 is shit on by the i5 2400 and I don't think the marginal difference in clock speed could be the only difference (not saying the extra cores are the difference, either. I'm just saying I didn't think it was as straight forward as you're making it).

I do understand though as you said in terms of cost.

Well that's interesting, why is it that way? o_O The L3 cache?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 14 2011 16:55 GMT
#14594
On November 15 2011 01:51 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 01:47 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 15 2011 01:40 Shikyo wrote:
On November 15 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:46 Shikyo wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:29 GhostOwl wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:19 skyR wrote:
What the hell? Why were you considering downgrading from a Phenom II to a A6?

Most games (which includes Skyrim) doesn't utilize more than two threads so having a billion core cpu is useless. A core i3 is better than a second generation Phenom. Though many would consider this a sidegrade and not an upgrade. With such a tight budget, I'm not sure why you are considering this.



My computer (that has the Phenom) is in the States.. I couldn't manage to bring it here and I regret it

Anyway, if most games don't utilize more than two threads, then I might as well get the i3....The i3-2120 is better than the i3-2100 right? It seems to be very similarly priced in Kakaku so I'm going to get the 2120...what do you think?

Yeah, i3 2120 would be the way to go assuming you're on a budget. It's similiar / better than i5 2400 in single- and doublethreaded tasks(most gaming, notably SC2, Skyrim), but obviously slower in others. Still the hyperthreading is going to help there.

For the graphics card, assuming you're on a budget, you'd probably be looking at something like 6770 or possibly the 6850 if you want it to last a bit longer / play at nicer details.


Won't the i3 2120 perform worse in gaming because it doesn't have turboboost?

Well it'd be same speed as i5 2400 actually -.- my bad, I guess "better for cost" would be more correct


Yeah, I just looked up the i3 2120, is the only difference from the i3 2100 the clock speed at 3.3 instead of 3.1? Even though SC2 is only optimized for two cores, doesn't it still marginally use more if you have them? I was just under the assumption it wasn't very efficiently used. I know in benchmarks the i3 2100 is shit on by the i5 2400 and I don't think the marginal difference in clock speed could be the only difference (not saying the extra cores are the difference, either. I'm just saying I didn't think it was as straight forward as you're making it).

I do understand though as you said in terms of cost.

Well that's interesting, why is it that way? o_O The L3 cache?


I'm more of the "look up benchmarks" and "price/performance" guy than actually knowing why or how any of this shit actually works!
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 18:14:48
November 14 2011 18:14 GMT
#14595
On November 15 2011 01:47 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 01:40 Shikyo wrote:
On November 15 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:46 Shikyo wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:29 GhostOwl wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:19 skyR wrote:
What the hell? Why were you considering downgrading from a Phenom II to a A6?

Most games (which includes Skyrim) doesn't utilize more than two threads so having a billion core cpu is useless. A core i3 is better than a second generation Phenom. Though many would consider this a sidegrade and not an upgrade. With such a tight budget, I'm not sure why you are considering this.



My computer (that has the Phenom) is in the States.. I couldn't manage to bring it here and I regret it

Anyway, if most games don't utilize more than two threads, then I might as well get the i3....The i3-2120 is better than the i3-2100 right? It seems to be very similarly priced in Kakaku so I'm going to get the 2120...what do you think?

Yeah, i3 2120 would be the way to go assuming you're on a budget. It's similiar / better than i5 2400 in single- and doublethreaded tasks(most gaming, notably SC2, Skyrim), but obviously slower in others. Still the hyperthreading is going to help there.

For the graphics card, assuming you're on a budget, you'd probably be looking at something like 6770 or possibly the 6850 if you want it to last a bit longer / play at nicer details.


Won't the i3 2120 perform worse in gaming because it doesn't have turboboost?

Well it'd be same speed as i5 2400 actually -.- my bad, I guess "better for cost" would be more correct


Yeah, I just looked up the i3 2120, is the only difference from the i3 2100 the clock speed at 3.3 instead of 3.1? Even though SC2 is only optimized for two cores, doesn't it still marginally use more if you have them? I was just under the assumption it wasn't very efficiently used. I know in benchmarks the i3 2100 is shit on by the i5 2400 and I don't think the marginal difference in clock speed could be the only difference (not saying the extra cores are the difference, either. I'm just saying I didn't think it was as straight forward as you're making it).

I do understand though as you said in terms of cost.


I was under the impression that it uses 2 cores and thats that... the 2100 performes like a 2300 as they will both be on 3.1 GHz (turbo for the 2300) Im not sure how the 2100 gets shit on by the 2400: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0 but the 4 fps difference should be explained by the 0.3 GHz difference.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4850 Posts
November 14 2011 20:03 GMT
#14596
So I posted a couple pages back about buying a new motherboard, and the advice I got was said basically to get the cheapest one that meets a few small requirements (like being compatible to the phenom II x4 I bought), but now I wonder if it is worth getting a new video card as well. I am going to be buying windows 7, as well as playing games like starcraft, so I wanted to get the opinion of the people here. My current graphics card is a 512MB GeForce 9600 GT (EVGA). My upgrade cycle is a long time (budget: $200ish? i couldn't' say for sure, it's complicated), so I wanted to know if I should try to see if I can get one now (with all the sales right now), or if what I have is good enough to last a while.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
November 14 2011 20:20 GMT
#14597
That also depends on your PSU, if you have an old/bad one, you will need to include a new one in your cost, so like 150$ for a 6850 and 50$ for a correct PSU.

If you only plan on playing starcraft, gt9600 is still ok though ...
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 20:52:45
November 14 2011 20:24 GMT
#14598
On November 15 2011 03:14 Ata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 01:47 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 15 2011 01:40 Shikyo wrote:
On November 15 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:46 Shikyo wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:29 GhostOwl wrote:
On November 14 2011 21:19 skyR wrote:
What the hell? Why were you considering downgrading from a Phenom II to a A6?

Most games (which includes Skyrim) doesn't utilize more than two threads so having a billion core cpu is useless. A core i3 is better than a second generation Phenom. Though many would consider this a sidegrade and not an upgrade. With such a tight budget, I'm not sure why you are considering this.



My computer (that has the Phenom) is in the States.. I couldn't manage to bring it here and I regret it

Anyway, if most games don't utilize more than two threads, then I might as well get the i3....The i3-2120 is better than the i3-2100 right? It seems to be very similarly priced in Kakaku so I'm going to get the 2120...what do you think?

Yeah, i3 2120 would be the way to go assuming you're on a budget. It's similiar / better than i5 2400 in single- and doublethreaded tasks(most gaming, notably SC2, Skyrim), but obviously slower in others. Still the hyperthreading is going to help there.

For the graphics card, assuming you're on a budget, you'd probably be looking at something like 6770 or possibly the 6850 if you want it to last a bit longer / play at nicer details.


Won't the i3 2120 perform worse in gaming because it doesn't have turboboost?

Well it'd be same speed as i5 2400 actually -.- my bad, I guess "better for cost" would be more correct


Yeah, I just looked up the i3 2120, is the only difference from the i3 2100 the clock speed at 3.3 instead of 3.1? Even though SC2 is only optimized for two cores, doesn't it still marginally use more if you have them? I was just under the assumption it wasn't very efficiently used. I know in benchmarks the i3 2100 is shit on by the i5 2400 and I don't think the marginal difference in clock speed could be the only difference (not saying the extra cores are the difference, either. I'm just saying I didn't think it was as straight forward as you're making it).

I do understand though as you said in terms of cost.


I was under the impression that it uses 2 cores and thats that... the 2100 performes like a 2300 as they will both be on 3.1 GHz (turbo for the 2300) Im not sure how the 2100 gets shit on by the 2400: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0 but the 4 fps difference should be explained by the 0.3 GHz difference.


What.... are you talking about...

The entire post was commenting how you couldn't compare them like that. Then you go and post "well look, assuming they do, there's virtually no difference!"

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129 (29% difference between i3 2100 and i5 2400)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859-8.html (23% difference between i3 2100 and i5 2400)

Now, I could be wrong, but you attempting to prove me wrong with evidence I was stating I don't think holds is simply stupid. If I said, "I don't think you can quite compare the i3 2100 and the i5 2300 in SC2 like you're doing" and then you link me to a benchmark saying "here's the i5 2300, it should perform similarly to the i3 2100 since they're clocked the same and SC2 only runs dual core" I'm going to call you an idiot. Even if I'm wrong and they could be compared, you're not proving anything to me with that bench.
Zen5034
Profile Joined July 2011
United States384 Posts
November 14 2011 20:54 GMT
#14599
Hello again TL; just checking back in regards to a build I finished a couple of weeks ago. Stats:

i5 2500K
AsRock P67 Pro3 B3
GTX 560ti (EVGA)
500GB HDD (Seagate)
HAF912
2 x 4GB RAM DDR3-1333 1.5V
Antec Neo Eco 520C 520W
Asus Optical drive
CM Hyper 212+
Windows 7 Home

Took me 4-5 hours total to build and there were some initial hiccups but it seems to be working fine now.. problem is I don't know why. After all of the driver installs/updates I installed DragonNest/BF3/SC2 and tried playing, however DN would keep crashing into black screen with an error message regarding the Kernel Driver. At its worst it would chain-crash into auto-restart without me doing anything, which was actually a bit terrifying. BF3 also kept crashing with the same Kernel driver problem and I would only be able to join a game roughly 20% of the time.

I system-restored to a point prior to game installation but after driver installation, and reseated the GPU just in case.... and now everything works fine except I'm scared to re-install DN, lol. I was having paged-pool memory problems with SC2 even running on low/medium but I googled that, fixed it, and now it runs fine on high settings. Join rate on BF3 is now near 100% after a week or so of playing.

In any case, building was a fun and informative experience! Thanks to skyR and Myrmidon for help with part suggestions!
Jaedong!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 14 2011 22:11 GMT
#14600
The L3 cache does matter. See Phenom II vs. Athlon II, but also note that the architecture has a lot to do with how quickly the cache can be accessed, how likely it is for there to be a branch prediction miss, and so on. See (here for memory/cache access latencies. But the other thing to keep in mind is that some results are just not very repeatable and suspect. AnandTech SC2 benches don't make sense at all if you take them literally. The same will go for other review sites.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129

i5-2500k ahead of i7-2600k by a few fps, Pentium G850 ahead of i3-2100 by a few fps, difference between Phenom II X6 1100T compared to 1075T vs. X4 980 compared to X4 970, etc.
Prev 1 728 729 730 731 732 1626 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft728
Nina 158
PartinGtheBigBoy 121
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1873
PianO 71
sorry 57
Bale 52
League of Legends
JimRising 743
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K881
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox481
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor143
Other Games
summit1g15904
C9.Mang0147
ViBE144
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 36
• OhrlRock 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1936
• HappyZerGling102
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 35m
Monday Night Weeklies
10h 35m
Replay Cast
17h 35m
WardiTV Invitational
1d 5h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 9h
PiGosaur Monday
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.