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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On November 11 2011 16:51 JJGamer wrote: I tried updating it multiple times and I'm still getting 5.9 I'm not too familiar with the issue but this seems like a fairly common problem with ssds. I see people have reported different index between firmware updates, windows re-installs, intel chipset driver installs and so on. Check if the speeds on your ssd looks within specs. If they do just ignore the windows index value. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Would I be correct in thinking that E-350 would be enough for performing these tasks well enough? Intel Atoms are cheaper but I've read that they fail at HD, but how about E-350? Battery life would actually preferably be in the 10+ hour range during web surfing but it'd be all right if it was a little bit lower. 2gb of RAM would be plenty I think. Also should have a decently sized hard drive but RPM can be 5400. Any suggestions from Europe? btw the OS needs to be either Nordic(with an option for finnish) or English. Also I wouldn't mind if the same computer was without an OS and with the increased cost it still would be cheap. Also if there's any free OS that can do all of that fine(like MeeGo, FreeDOS or whatever they have) it'd be great if you guys could inform me about that, as I don't necessarily NEED windows 7. Absolute max budget is around 400€ but that shouldn't be necessary, I believe? Oh finally, it'd be great if it would be a site in EU from which a company with a VAT-code can order without VAT, as my family can use that. Resolution doesn't really matter though preferably it'd be over 600 pixels in height, but it's not a big deal. | ||
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Urazel
Canada10 Posts
~500$. What is your resolution? 1600x900 What are you using it for? Gaming and surfing the web mostly. Sometimes office work. What is your upgrade cycle? Not for 2 years maybe. When do you plan on building it? About the start of december. Do you plan on overclocking? Probably not. Do you need an Operating System? Nope Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg or similar computer parts websites. EDIT: First build so any knowledge you can drop on me about what parts to get would help alot. Thanks ^^  | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
The CPU scaling could be confused to a SC2 benchmark: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-benchmark,3074-9.html | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 12 2011 00:40 Urazel wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? ~500$. What is your resolution? 1600x900 What are you using it for? Gaming and surfing the web mostly. Sometimes office work. What is your upgrade cycle? Not for 2 years maybe. When do you plan on building it? About the start of december. Do you plan on overclocking? Probably not. Do you need an Operating System? Nope Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg or similar computer parts websites. EDIT: First build so any knowledge you can drop on me about what parts to get would help alot. Thanks ^^ Prices aren't static so come back in December and ask again when you plan on purchasing. What you want basically for around $490 is basically this: Pentium G620 - $85 Radeon HD6850 - $150 H61 - $60 CX430 V2 - $35 some case - $40 4gb - $22 500gb hdd - $80 burner - $17 | ||
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Jibblet
United States4 Posts
This is my first DIY PC and I would greatly appreciate it if kind souls can offer comment/suggestions. I will be using it mainly for gaming at 1920 X1080. I won't be overclocking or SLI. It should cost less than 1000 USD and I plan on building it within the month. My upgrade cycle is around 2-3 years. I am pretty set on the specific CPU but everything else I am not too sure of. CPU: i5 2500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073 Mobo: GIGABYTE LGA 1155 Intel Z68 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128523 Ram: G.Skill 2X 4Gb 1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445 PSU: OCZ Modular 600W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017 GPU: ASUS Radeon HD6870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121418 Monitor: Acer 23" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009266 HardDrive: Caviar Black from anywhere. Case: Not too sure about this one. I want a cheap one with rear facing Fans if possible. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227 Once again I really apperciate any feedback. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Paying a huge premium (about $30) for 1600MHz cas8 is one of the stupidest things you can do when you aren't even overclocking. The difference between higher frequency and tighter timings is negligible: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3 http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 Just get the least expensive 2x4gb kit which would be these atm: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186 They're already 1600MHz and they're Vengeance so you can set them to cas8 yourself most likely. Though keep in mind H61 and H67 cannot run memory at 1600MHz but they're at the same price as the other kits anyways. You do not need a modular 600w unit if you do not plan on doing a multi-GPU configuration. A ~500w unit already gives you plenty of headroom for a single GPU configuration. This would be the best option probably: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238 Picking a Caviar Black is a bad decision. They already carry a premium over other similar performing 7200 RPM HDDs because of their five year warranty. With the Thailand flooding, a 500gb Caviar Black is going to be around $150 and a 1TB is going to be around $200... you don't want to pay a $60+ difference for a two year difference in warranty. As for case, the HAF 912 for $50 is probably the best option if you don't care about aesthetics: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&promoid=1282 | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On November 12 2011 02:47 skyR wrote: Picking a Caviar Black is a bad decision. They already carry a premium over other similar performing 7200 RPM HDDs because of their five year warranty. With the Thailand flooding, a 500gb Caviar Black is going to be around $150 and a 1TB is going to be around $200... you don't want to pay a $60+ difference for a two year difference in warranty. Agreed with everything else you say, just want to say to everyone this guy is a high-quality and trustworthy poster in Tech Support, deserves a star. Wanted to echo your thoughts on the Black and suggest getting a SSD instead while using an old HDD for storage and getting a new one when prices drop. There are SSD sales fairly frequently and even if not, you can get the less expensive ones for about $1.50/GB so for ~$100 you can usually get a 64GB SSD which is enough for Windows 7 and your main programs & games (make sure you disable the Hybernate as well as reducing the swap file size to like 1GB, this will clear 8+7(win defaults swap to your RAM size I htink, so 8gb)=15GB and you don't need much swap when you have 8GB ram, I actually run without a swap file). | ||
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Jibblet
United States4 Posts
I really don't know anything about RAM and the articles you posted are very informative. If I am not OCing or care about every miniscue percentage of performance, the RAM and motherboard I picked are just a waste of money. Wabbit if I were to purchase a SSD I should get a H67 motherboard? once again I really appreciate the time you have spent advising me. | ||
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[Instinct]
Denmark24 Posts
I've been using this thread to get some information about the different parts of the computer as I'm not at all updated, and in general I feel pretty sure I found the right computer. However, reading through the section about the PSU I see the warning about the 80+ versions, and this makes me feel a little unsure. The computer is using a Seasonic SS-600ET, rated 80+ bronze certified, and my only concern is if there could possibly be any issues using it? The computer is prebuilt, so obviously it got enough power for the system, but I'm wondering if I may get any problems during summer or when using it for longer periods of time? Basically my current computer can run games from morning till evening no problem, and I want my new computer to be capable of the same. I realize I may be a little silly asking this, and I also noticed that Seasonic is under the list of reputable, however it's really important for me that my computer can run without ever having to worry about giving it a break. In case it matters the machine will be using 8 gigs of ram (I know it's too much), geforce gtx560 and intel i5-2500k 4x3.30ghz. Also I'm currently planning to play SC 2, Diablo 3 and Skyrim on it. Thanks for any help in advance! | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On November 12 2011 02:47 skyR wrote: If you aren't overclocking than you do not need a Z68 motherboard. You can get the least expensive H61 or H67 motherboard that fits your needs and wants (connectivity, warranty). Though you can keep it if you want and grab the core i5 2500k for $200: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&promoid=1282 You can also get it for $190 if you just change to promo code to 1287. Courtesy of you actually when you linked it to me a few days ago =P. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:08 [Instinct] wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I need some quick advice regarding the PSU in a new computer I'm planning to buy. I've been using this thread to get some information about the different parts of the computer as I'm not at all updated, and in general I feel pretty sure I found the right computer. However, reading through the section about the PSU I see the warning about the 80+ versions, and this makes me feel a little unsure. The computer is using a Seasonic SS-600ET, rated 80+ bronze certified, and my only concern is if there could possibly be any issues using it? The computer is prebuilt, so obviously it got enough power for the system, but I'm wondering if I may get any problems during summer or when using it for longer periods of time? Basically my current computer can run games from morning till evening no problem, and I want my new computer to be capable of the same. I realize I may be a little silly asking this, and I also noticed that Seasonic is under the list of reputable, however it's really important for me that my computer can run without ever having to worry about giving it a break. In case it matters the machine will be using 8 gigs of ram (I know it's too much), geforce gtx560 and intel i5-2500k 4x3.30ghz. Also I'm currently planning to play SC 2, Diablo 3 and Skyrim on it. Thanks for any help in advance! A Seasonic 600w unit is absurd overkill for such a configuration you listed. It would pull like 250w from the wall, meaning with a 80% efficiency, you're looking at 200w DC meaning your power supply is barely even loaded. And even if a power supply can't hold its efficiency rating at higher temperatures, I'm not sure what this has to do with running your computer 365 days a year since it already provides more than enough power for such a configuration. It'll just mean its less efficient which in turn means more power is drawn from the wall. | ||
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
400€ rig needed. Will be used for autocad/flight simulator on rather low resolution (max 1280x1024). PSU + Case - Bitfenix Beta + Antec HCG 400W - 68€ (I know 400W is too much for this rig, but I want a 80+ PSU, and this one allows upgrades for cheap) http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/boitiers-pc-alimentations/bitfenix-merc-beta-antec-hcg-400-400w/f-1076611-bunmercbeta400w.html CPU - Phenom 2 X4 955BE - 100€ (+free Deux Ex) http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/Processeur/Processeur-AMD/AMD/4851036-Processeur-AMD-PHenom-II-X4-955-Black-Edition-3-2-GHz-Socket-AM3-DEUS-EX-HUMAN-REVOLUTION-PC.htm MoBo - MSI 880GMA-E45 - 77€ (might need usb3 and sata6, must have IDE) http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/cartes-meres/msi-880gma-e45/f-107650907-880gmae45.html Ram - Corsair 4Go DDR3 1333MHz C9 - 20€ http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/cartes-memoires-pc-portables/corsair-4go-ddr3-1333mhz-c9/f-107160612-cmv4gx3m2a1333c9.html GPU - SAPPHIRE HD6750 - 78€ http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/Carte-Graphique/Carte-Graphique-ATI/SAPPHIRE/4852770-Carte-graphique-SAPPHIRE-HD6750-1024-11186-11-10G-Radeon-HD6750-1024-Mo-PCI-Express-Version-bulk.htm DVD - LG GH22NS70 - 15€ http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/graveurs-et-lecteurs-optiques/lg-gh22ns70/f-107310602-gh22ns70.html HDD - Shity case + WD caviar blue 500GB - 60€ (I don't give a f*** about the case but it's the cheapest way I found to get a decent HDD right now) http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/Disque-Dur-externe/Disque-Dur-externe-3-5/ADVANCE/4853185-Boitier-externe-ADVANCE-pour-disques-durs-3-5-SATA-USB-2-0-disque-dur-interne-3-5-500-go-16-mo-7200-tr-min-SATA-6-Gb-s-bulk-Caviar-Blue-WD5000AAKX.htm Total : 418€ What do you think about that? I'm still not sure about the usb3/sata6. Should I go for a core i3 2100 instead of the phenom 2 (same price)? If I go for i3 and want to keep all the MoBo features, i'll need to add around 20€. I want this rig to cost around 400€. Thank you for your feedbacks  | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:05 Jibblet wrote: ... Wabbit if I were to purchase a SSD I should get a H67 motherboard? .... If you get a SATA 3 (6Gb/sec) SSD then you may want to get an H67 mobo (or some other mobo that has SATA 3 ports and not just SATA 2 (3Gb/sec). You do lose some speed if you put a SATA3 SSD in a SATA2 port but if I were given a choice for $100 to get a 64GB SATA2 SSD or a 40GB SATA 3 SSD, I'd take the 64 SATA2 any day of the week. They're already insanely fast. The ASRock H61M U3S3 has both USB3 and SATA3 even though it's H61 chipset. So the SATA 3 controller is not the native H67 controller but it might still be good, I haven't researched it. SO that's one option, but there are others of course. | ||
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[Instinct]
Denmark24 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:11 skyR wrote: A Seasonic 600w unit is absurd overkill for such a configuration you listed. It would pull like 250w from the wall, meaning with a 80% efficiency, you're looking at 200w DC meaning your power supply is barely even loaded. And even if a power supply can't hold its efficiency rating at higher temperatures, I'm not sure what this has to do with running your computer 365 days a year since it already provides more than enough power for such a configuration. It'll just mean its less efficient which in turn means more power is drawn from the wall. Alright, I didn't realize it had so much more power than needed, while trying to update myself in the area I still have a lot of blank areas It's quite surprising considering the PC is prebuilt, could any of the parts I didn't mention possibly have such a huge impact on the power usage? Regardless I see I shouldn't fear at all, thanks for the help. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:22 [Instinct] wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 12 2011 03:11 skyR wrote: A Seasonic 600w unit is absurd overkill for such a configuration you listed. It would pull like 250w from the wall, meaning with a 80% efficiency, you're looking at 200w DC meaning your power supply is barely even loaded. And even if a power supply can't hold its efficiency rating at higher temperatures, I'm not sure what this has to do with running your computer 365 days a year since it already provides more than enough power for such a configuration. It'll just mean its less efficient which in turn means more power is drawn from the wall. Alright, I didn't realize it had so much more power than needed, while trying to update myself in the area I still have a lot of blank areas It's quite surprising considering the PC is prebuilt, could any of the parts I didn't mention possibly have such a huge impact on the power usage? Regardless I see I shouldn't fear at all, thanks for the help. The two most power hungry components inside the computer is the processor and graphics card so no, the other components won't make or break it. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:15 SChlafmann wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hello TL (and skyR btx xD) 400€ rig needed. Will be used for autocad/flight simulator on rather low resolution (max 1280x1024). PSU + Case - Bitfenix Beta + Antec HCG 400W - 68€ (I know 400W is too much for this rig, but I want a 80+ PSU, and this one allows upgrades for cheap) http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/boitiers-pc-alimentations/bitfenix-merc-beta-antec-hcg-400-400w/f-1076611-bunmercbeta400w.html CPU - Phenom 2 X4 955BE - 100€ (+free Deux Ex) http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/Processeur/Processeur-AMD/AMD/4851036-Processeur-AMD-PHenom-II-X4-955-Black-Edition-3-2-GHz-Socket-AM3-DEUS-EX-HUMAN-REVOLUTION-PC.htm MoBo - MSI 880GMA-E45 - 77€ (might need usb3 and sata6, must have IDE) http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/cartes-meres/msi-880gma-e45/f-107650907-880gmae45.html Ram - Corsair 4Go DDR3 1333MHz C9 - 20€ http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/cartes-memoires-pc-portables/corsair-4go-ddr3-1333mhz-c9/f-107160612-cmv4gx3m2a1333c9.html GPU - SAPPHIRE HD6750 - 78€ http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/Carte-Graphique/Carte-Graphique-ATI/SAPPHIRE/4852770-Carte-graphique-SAPPHIRE-HD6750-1024-11186-11-10G-Radeon-HD6750-1024-Mo-PCI-Express-Version-bulk.htm DVD - LG GH22NS70 - 15€ http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/graveurs-et-lecteurs-optiques/lg-gh22ns70/f-107310602-gh22ns70.html HDD - Shity case + WD caviar blue 500GB - 60€ (I don't give a f*** about the case but it's the cheapest way I found to get a decent HDD right now) http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/Disque-Dur-externe/Disque-Dur-externe-3-5/ADVANCE/4853185-Boitier-externe-ADVANCE-pour-disques-durs-3-5-SATA-USB-2-0-disque-dur-interne-3-5-500-go-16-mo-7200-tr-min-SATA-6-Gb-s-bulk-Caviar-Blue-WD5000AAKX.htm Total : 418€ What do you think about that? I'm still not sure about the usb3/sata6. Should I go for a core i3 2100 instead of the phenom 2 (same price)? If I go for i3 and want to keep all the MoBo features, i'll need to add around 20€. I want this rig to cost around 400€. Thank you for your feedbacks It looks like a good configuration. I can't chime in on pricing since I don't familiarize myself with European retailers. The Core i3 2100 / Pentium G860 are both better than the Phenom II X4 in gaming. | ||
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[Instinct]
Denmark24 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:23 skyR wrote: The two most power hungry components inside the computer is the processor and graphics card so no, the other components won't make or break it. I see, thanks once again! | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:24 skyR wrote: It looks like a good configuration. I can't chime in on pricing since I don't familiarize myself with European retailers. The Core i3 2100 / Pentium G860 are both better than the Phenom II X4 in gaming. Congrats on 6,000! Amsuing a double post... gets you to Archon! | ||
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:24 skyR wrote: It looks like a good configuration. I can't chime in on pricing since I don't familiarize myself with European retailers. The Core i3 2100 / Pentium G860 are both better than the Phenom II X4 in gaming. 6000th post for me, it's a honnor. xD I think my price are rather good. You have to know that in France taxes are always included in the price. Is autocad highly mutli-threaded? If so, I suppose the phenom with its 4 cores will be better. Otherwise... Will stuff become more and more multi-threated, or should I assume that the i3 will be better on the long run? Will HD 6750 be enough for some gaming at this resolution? | ||
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