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On October 15 2011 03:12 Gara wrote:Is the MSI P67A-G43 (B3) ( http://ncix.com/search/?categoryid=0&q=MSI P67A-G43 (B3)) a decent motherboard in terms of overclocking/value? I want a board with two PCIe 2.0x16 slots so I have the option of adding a second gfx card in the future for an SLI/Xfire build. Also, what models of power supply and PSU ratings are recommended for an overclocked i5-2500K SLI/Xfire build with say, SLI GTX 560 Ti's, or Xfire'd HD 6950's? Also, how much of a concern is heat/noise with an SLI/Xfire build?
Heat/noise in a multi-GPU setup is a way different consideration than in a single-GPU. You have to take a lot of things into account, not just case and CPU cooler, but GPU cooling solution, clock, and acoustic properties of the case matter a lot more too.
If you try to just casually throw another card into a build that isn't designed with it in mind, you'll most likely overheat. Friend of mine had this problem, and got to transplant his PC into a new case.
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On October 15 2011 03:17 skyR wrote:~600w is recommended. The Antec Earthwatts 650 for $60 is a good deal atm: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59339&promoid=1366The MSI G series of boards is a good budget SLI board but keep in mind these don't come with a SLI bridge so you'll need to purchase one of those later. Don't buy from Newegg unless you enjoy paying $12 for shipping a motherboard from a state side warehouse. Pricematch it at NCIX, pay like $5 for shipping and receive it in the next day or two.
On October 15 2011 03:21 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 03:12 Gara wrote:Is the MSI P67A-G43 (B3) ( http://ncix.com/search/?categoryid=0&q=MSI P67A-G43 (B3)) a decent motherboard in terms of overclocking/value? I want a board with two PCIe 2.0x16 slots so I have the option of adding a second gfx card in the future for an SLI/Xfire build. Also, what models of power supply and PSU ratings are recommended for an overclocked i5-2500K SLI/Xfire build with say, SLI GTX 560 Ti's, or Xfire'd HD 6950's? Also, how much of a concern is heat/noise with an SLI/Xfire build? Heat/noise in a multi-GPU setup is a way different consideration than in a single-GPU. You have to take a lot of things into account, not just case and CPU cooler, but GPU cooling solution, clock, and acoustic properties of the case matter a lot more too. If you try to just casually throw another card into a build that isn't designed with it in mind, you'll most likely overheat. Friend of mine had this problem, and got to transplant his PC into a new case.
Thanks for the fast responses! I had a couple of other questions: What do people here think of the Fractal Design Arc Midi (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58475&promoid=1366)? It's one of the few cases I've found that isn't absolutely hideous, imo.
Unrelated: are there any huge disadvantages to building on an mATX form factor instead of the standard ATX?
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On October 15 2011 03:24 Gara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 03:17 skyR wrote:~600w is recommended. The Antec Earthwatts 650 for $60 is a good deal atm: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59339&promoid=1366The MSI G series of boards is a good budget SLI board but keep in mind these don't come with a SLI bridge so you'll need to purchase one of those later. Don't buy from Newegg unless you enjoy paying $12 for shipping a motherboard from a state side warehouse. Pricematch it at NCIX, pay like $5 for shipping and receive it in the next day or two. Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 03:21 JingleHell wrote:On October 15 2011 03:12 Gara wrote:Is the MSI P67A-G43 (B3) ( http://ncix.com/search/?categoryid=0&q=MSI P67A-G43 (B3)) a decent motherboard in terms of overclocking/value? I want a board with two PCIe 2.0x16 slots so I have the option of adding a second gfx card in the future for an SLI/Xfire build. Also, what models of power supply and PSU ratings are recommended for an overclocked i5-2500K SLI/Xfire build with say, SLI GTX 560 Ti's, or Xfire'd HD 6950's? Also, how much of a concern is heat/noise with an SLI/Xfire build? Heat/noise in a multi-GPU setup is a way different consideration than in a single-GPU. You have to take a lot of things into account, not just case and CPU cooler, but GPU cooling solution, clock, and acoustic properties of the case matter a lot more too. If you try to just casually throw another card into a build that isn't designed with it in mind, you'll most likely overheat. Friend of mine had this problem, and got to transplant his PC into a new case. Thanks for the fast responses! I had a couple of other questions: What do people here think of the Fractal Design Arc Midi ( http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58475&promoid=1366)? It's one of the few cases I've found that isn't absolutely hideous, imo. Unrelated: are there any huge disadvantages to building on an mATX form factor instead of the standard ATX?
I actually prefer the older R3 but either is awesome as I want a lot of harddrive bays.
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Fractal Design Arc is nice but I'd probably suggest the Corsair Carbide 400R if you are looking at a multi-GPU configuration, even though it's ugly imo. If you're not interested in multi-GPU configurations, there's the Bitfenix Shinobi and Fractal Design Define R3, both of which are very good looking cases imo.
mATX will just have less connectivity.
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On October 15 2011 03:36 skyR wrote:
Fractal Design Arc is nice but I'd probably suggest the Corsair Carbide 400R if you are looking at a multi-GPU configuration, even though it's ugly imo. If you're not interested in multi-GPU configurations, there's the Bitfenix Shinobi and Fractal Design Define R3, both of which are very good looking cases imo.
mATX will just have less connectivity.
Yeah, I agree with you on the ugliness of the 400R - the weird taper on the side and the front shelf are off-putting. I'm considering the R3 as well, if I abandon the whole SLI/Xfire thing; not sure yet. I might just hold off on this project until the Thanksgiving/Christmas shopping season, see if there are any irresistible deals that come up.
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Silverstone cases with the flipped mobo tray, like fortress and raven are also solid multi-GPU coolers, especially for CPU overclocking, and using radial cooling GPUs.
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So what's wroth with CM 690II for multi-GPU? As most people have no problems from what I've read.
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On October 15 2011 03:40 Gara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 03:36 skyR wrote:
Fractal Design Arc is nice but I'd probably suggest the Corsair Carbide 400R if you are looking at a multi-GPU configuration, even though it's ugly imo. If you're not interested in multi-GPU configurations, there's the Bitfenix Shinobi and Fractal Design Define R3, both of which are very good looking cases imo.
mATX will just have less connectivity. Yeah, I agree with you on the ugliness of the 400R - the weird taper on the side and the front shelf are off-putting. I'm considering the R3 as well, if I abandon the whole SLI/Xfire thing; not sure yet. I might just hold off on this project until the Thanksgiving/Christmas shopping season, see if there are any irresistible deals that come up.
Ya there's going to be some deals but NCIX usually crawls to a stop and the amazing deals will either go up in price or sell out within the first day.
On October 15 2011 03:47 JingleHell wrote:
Silverstone cases with the flipped mobo tray, like fortress and raven are also solid multi-GPU coolers, especially for CPU overclocking, and using radial cooling GPUs.
Most of those Silverstone cases are ugly except for maybe the FT03 but I wouldn't suggest that for a multi-GPU configuration.
On October 15 2011 03:48 Shikyo wrote:
So what's wroth with CM 690II for multi-GPU? As most people have no problems from what I've read.
Because it's ugly.
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On October 15 2011 03:48 Shikyo wrote:
So what's wroth with CM 690II for multi-GPU? As most people have no problems from what I've read.
Most people having no problems, and good are entirely different.
You would either have to exhaust out the side, limiting airflow to the top GPU, use External Exhaust GPUs, or allow hot air to rise into your CPU cooler. Particularly with the stock fan configuration, it's just not moving a whole lot of air into the places multi-GPU needs. I guess if you were planning to use some shitty closed loop thing, you could have that pull air in from the back, and use the side panel with a bottom intake, top exhaust to keep the GPU's sort of cool, but it would sound like a tornado in a bottle with the air ripping in that many directions.
And since you'd be running 3 intakes and one exhaust, you'd need one hella loud top side fan to keep the inside from being able to bake bread.
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On October 15 2011 03:54 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 03:48 Shikyo wrote:
So what's wroth with CM 690II for multi-GPU? As most people have no problems from what I've read. Most people having no problems, and good are entirely different. You would either have to exhaust out the side, limiting airflow to the top GPU, use External Exhaust GPUs, or allow hot air to rise into your CPU cooler. Particularly with the stock fan configuration, it's just not moving a whole lot of air into the places multi-GPU needs. I guess if you were planning to use some shitty closed loop thing, you could have that pull air in from the back, and use the side panel with a bottom intake, top exhaust to keep the GPU's sort of cool, but it would sound like a tornado in a bottle with the air ripping in that many directions. And since you'd be running 3 intakes and one exhaust, you'd need one hella loud top side fan to keep the inside from being able to bake bread.
The Arc Midi comes with 3 140mm fans (one each in front/top/rear). If I put a 180mm fan in the side and a second 140mm in the front, would that be enough for SLI GTX 560 Ti? Or would that even be excessive?
On October 15 2011 03:51 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 03:48 Shikyo wrote:
So what's wroth with CM 690II for multi-GPU? As most people have no problems from what I've read. Because it's ugly.
Haha, totally agree. Everything is rounded in a weird way, or has funny protrusions, or garish colours, or ridiculous LEDs. I'll stick with my clean & classy Arc Midi, thanks.
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On October 15 2011 03:54 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 03:48 Shikyo wrote:
So what's wroth with CM 690II for multi-GPU? As most people have no problems from what I've read. Most people having no problems, and good are entirely different. You would either have to exhaust out the side, limiting airflow to the top GPU, use External Exhaust GPUs, or allow hot air to rise into your CPU cooler. Particularly with the stock fan configuration, it's just not moving a whole lot of air into the places multi-GPU needs. I guess if you were planning to use some shitty closed loop thing, you could have that pull air in from the back, and use the side panel with a bottom intake, top exhaust to keep the GPU's sort of cool, but it would sound like a tornado in a bottle with the air ripping in that many directions. And since you'd be running 3 intakes and one exhaust, you'd need one hella loud top side fan to keep the inside from being able to bake bread.
Dunno I'd use DirectCU GPUs and buy an intake fan for the left side if I actually built a setup like that
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On October 15 2011 04:04 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 03:54 JingleHell wrote:On October 15 2011 03:48 Shikyo wrote:
So what's wroth with CM 690II for multi-GPU? As most people have no problems from what I've read. Most people having no problems, and good are entirely different. You would either have to exhaust out the side, limiting airflow to the top GPU, use External Exhaust GPUs, or allow hot air to rise into your CPU cooler. Particularly with the stock fan configuration, it's just not moving a whole lot of air into the places multi-GPU needs. I guess if you were planning to use some shitty closed loop thing, you could have that pull air in from the back, and use the side panel with a bottom intake, top exhaust to keep the GPU's sort of cool, but it would sound like a tornado in a bottle with the air ripping in that many directions. And since you'd be running 3 intakes and one exhaust, you'd need one hella loud top side fan to keep the inside from being able to bake bread. Dunno I'd use DirectCU GPUs and buy an intake fan for the left side if I actually built a setup like that
Uhm, it doesn't matter how efficiently a GPU cooler gets heat off the PCB if it dumps back into the case.
It's at best a mediocre case for the job. There's much better options that require much less inane cooling.
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We really should be updating the OP with newer parts
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What newer parts? You mean the failure that is Bulldozer?
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We could update with EVGA's GTX 460 2win card!
Seriously, much as I love EVGA in general, that thing is retarded.
And all the new factory OCs! And faster RAM! And HyperX Water-Cooled RAM!
Well, technically, at it's price, the 2win kind of wrecks the piss out of any 570 on the market without a major discount. But, it's still multi-GPU.
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I missed Crucial M4 Shell Shocker for like 40% off. Ragesaurus!
Something worth it in Shell Shocker and I missed it. Boo hoo!
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just curious, what makes the 400r better than the arc midi? the fractal seemed like a really nice case to me
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Carbide 400R is less expensive and is basically the same thing / slightly better and slightly bigger.
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On October 15 2011 05:57 Legatus Lanius wrote:
just curious, what makes the 400r better than the arc midi? the fractal seemed like a really nice case to me
Yeah I'm not sure what the reasoning is either.
Single GPU tests:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4878/fractal-design-arc-midi-the-mid-tower-youve-been-waiting-for/5
On low fans, comparable to 400R, significantly quieter at idle (well like 4 dB, but maybe that's not a concern to someone contemplating multi GPU anyway) and a little louder at load.
If running multi-GPU, probably just use blower heatsink models for GPUs and move the front 140mm fan to the side panel. Unless you're running hot HDDs, they're probably okay with some intake coming in the front even without a fan, as a result of the negative pressure.
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Just looking for a real quick skim over confirmation and some help choosing a power supply adequate for the build (preferably modular but I can live with non modular if need be I suppose).
i7 2600k (do need before questions arise)
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro
GTX580 (I plan on shoving another one in there at some point in the near future so the power supply needs to be ready for this)
noctua nh-d14
8gb ripjawsx
HAF X
1tb caviar black
128gb crucial m4
Can someone suggest a good power supply which will power all this well preferably with a decent warranty, I'm open to other suggestions if you have any ideas too.
also while I'm here if anyone knows off the top of their head will their be clearance issues with the ripjawsX and the nh-d14 or not?
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