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Divergence
Canada363 Posts
How do those correspond with the + - symbols? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
But Ground is the "-" symbol, if I'm correct about it meaning that. Mind you, for the power and reset it doesn't matter. LED's, on the other hand, have a funny tendency to work as they're designed and not let electricity go the wrong direction. Also, if they're pairs with one being black and one being another color, black should be ground. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 07 2011 11:35 Munk-E wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 07 2011 07:55 skyR wrote: We can't tell you whether it can be improved upon if you don't tell us what your goals are for your configuration but since you're posting on TL, I'm assuming it's for Starcraft II and gaming. It's a poorly optimized build if so. Power supply is overkill. Get a higher quality one of lower wattage such as a Seasonic S12II 520, XFX Core Edition 450 (not V2), Antec High Current Gamer 520 or Antec Neo Eco 520. ~500w provides more than enough power for this configuration and even has the possibility of CrossfireX 6870s. 1600MHz memory is a waste of money when you're on such a tight budget. You're literally paying a a premium for 1 FPS instead of paying a premium for a better graphics card or processor that will provide a greater gain. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3 http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 A second generation Phenom is garbage. Why build now with a second generation Phenom in an AM3+ socket when Bulldozer is so close to release? Either wait or just build an Intel configuration which is clearly superior to that of AMD and will likely remain so even with Bulldozer's release. Hi! Thanks for the reply! If you don't mind, I have a few questions. (I am a noob). I got this build from a post on reddit which I then talked to other people on reddit who helped tweak it. They said that the 550 w PSU I originally had wasn't powerful enough, and I should get a more powerful one for potential future upgrades. Do you think this PSU is worth it in this reguard becaus it's not much more expensive than the ones you suggested? (also a friend told me I should stick with a modular design for my first time, but I'm not sure how necesarry this is.) Some people on reddit were Also saying that my ram was unnecessarily high end, but others said it wasn't that expensive in the first place. I might downgrade the ram though. As for the graphics card, they immidiatelh all told me to get a 6870. Is it necessary to get a better one? Because the general consensus seemed to be this card is optimal. What is wrong with the CPU? It seems to do well in performance tests. Do you just think bulldozer will be better, or what? If you think I should get an intel, which one do you think I should get? Thanks for the advice btw! Of course Bulldozer is going to be better than a second generation Phenom. If it's not than AMD might as well just declare bankruptcy and let Intel be a monopoly (even though they sort of already are). The second generation Phenoms competes with Intel's Core 2 line which was released five years ago... it doesn't come close to Intel's current generation of processors in performance even when it is overclocked. Either you have very poor googling skills or you're simply an AMD fanboy because no benchmark shows that AMD processors have good performance in gaming against the current generation of Intel procoessors: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x_9.html#sect2 http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300.html http://www.anandtech.com/print/4083 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Core-i5-2500K-vs-Phenom-II-X4-975-BE-CPU-Review/1163 An Intel Core i5 2400 and a H61 or H67 motherboard is a much better choice if you are not overclocking (I'm assuming you aren't since you don't have an aftermarket heatsink in your build). If you're overclocking than a Core i5 2500k and P67 or Z68 motherboard. If you're an AMD fanboy and can't wait for Bulldozer than you're welcome to buy a processor that's five years old in performance. The memory isn't that expensive, you're right but it is a 1.65v kit. It's recommended to have 1.5v kits for Intel's Sandybridge (if you do decide to go that route). If you want a modular power supply than it's an okay modular unit. There's not much cables to work with on such a low-end build, you're going to be plugging in most of the cables anyways. So it's up to you if you want to stick with modular. I don't visit reddit so I'm not sure how intelligent their community is but suggesting a 550w power supply isn't adequate for this build doesn't seem very intelligent... The OCZ Mod X Stream Pro 700 only provides 46a on the 12v rail which is basically equivalent to that of a higher quality 550w unit such as the XFX Core Edition 550 which provides 44a on the 12v rail. This is enough for your configuration and provides the option of CrossfireX 6870. An Intel core i5 2500 uses roughly 5a (60w) under load and a Radeon HD6870 uses roughly 11a (132w) under load, the two most power hungry components in a computer. The 6870 is a good choice of a graphics card. I'm just pointing out you're spending a premium on memory for a negligible gain when instead you could use it on the graphics card to get a GTX 560 Ti or Radeon HD6950 to get a more noticeable gain. On September 07 2011 11:42 epikAnglory wrote:+ Show Spoiler + i5 2400 would be better than any Phenom II x4 processor for gaming, and maybe even the i3 2100. A 550 watt is obviously enough for your rig, won't even come close to running low. The XFX PSU SkyR recommended should be able to run almost any reasonable single GPU configuration assuming the graphics card is under $300 and nothing is insanely overclocked. Benefits of waiting for Bulldozer: Current Phenom II processors' price will drop. 40-70% chance that Sandy Bridge prices will drop. (Intel Core Second Generation) You get better processors with the same/a little more money. False assumption. Bulldozer is priced to compete against the 2500k anad 2600k. There will be no initial Bulldozer processor priced below $200 (or far from that point) so the second generation Phenom prices is unlikely to drop until the second wave of Bulldozer processors are released to replace the Phenom line up in the first half of 2012. Unless Bulldozer destroys Sandybridge, its prices won't drop. | ||
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Divergence
Canada363 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:11 JingleHell wrote: Well, the "G" should hopefully mean ground. Can check your case manual. But Ground is the "-" symbol, if I'm correct about it meaning that. Mind you, for the power and reset it doesn't matter. LED's, on the other hand, have a funny tendency to work as they're designed and not let electricity go the wrong direction. Also, if they're pairs with one being black and one being another color, black should be ground. Unfortunately I've seen no mention of it in the case manual. I forgot to mention it, but my case is the coolermaster elite 370. It turns out that the cables are always paired as one white, one colored. And the white one corresponds to S triangle. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
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Divergence
Canada363 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:19 skyR wrote: Color is positive, white is negative. S probably means signal and G probably means ground. So S corresponds to negative? And G corresponds to positive? Is there any harm in getting these wrong? Obviously the thing wont start but will anything break? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:23 epikAnglory wrote: That is why I put a 40 to 70% for Intel's prices dropping. My bad, I always thought AMD products were very low on price, I guess they are trying to come up with something revolutionary for their company. With all the delays, Bulldozer is going to drop in pricing to remain attractive once Sandybridge-E hits the market. On September 07 2011 12:37 Divergence wrote: So S corresponds to negative? And G corresponds to positive? Is there any harm in getting these wrong? Obviously the thing wont start but will anything break? There's no harm in plugging them in incorrectly. The orientation for the power and reset switch does not matter, they're work regardless. Just try white in negative and color in positive, if the LEDs don't light up than flip them around. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Sheesh
United States15 Posts
What is your budget? Around $800-900 What is your resolution? 1920 x 1080 What are you using it for? Mainly gaming What is your upgrade cycle? Probably like 3 or 4 years When do you plan on building it? Within the next few weeks Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230 Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207013 Hard Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 CPU Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 (Not sure about this since it seems somewhat difficult to install) DVD Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Thanks in advance! | ||
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DONTPANIC
United States340 Posts
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 GIGABYTE GV-R695OC-1GD Radeon HD 6950 1GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233196 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130572 Okay. It's done. I ordered that stuff. It was driving me crazy to keep changing things. This will soon be in my Cosmos case. My new question is... how do I keep all the stuff on my current hard drive and plug it into a completely new computer? I'll be googling this question also. | ||
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CuraOh
Chile81 Posts
that a good build but is for ovecloking and you put in your question no so that a little weird | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 07 2011 13:38 Sheesh wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey guys, I have been thinking about trying to build a computer for the first time and recently got the money to do so. I have absolutely no experience, however, and wanted to check here before buying any parts. I'm just gonna answer the questions at the beginning of the thread and list the parts I'm considering, then let you guys tell me what a terrible job I'm doing so far :D. What is your budget? Around $800-900 What is your resolution? 1920 x 1080 What are you using it for? Mainly gaming What is your upgrade cycle? Probably like 3 or 4 years When do you plan on building it? Within the next few weeks Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230 Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207013 Hard Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 CPU Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 (Not sure about this since it seems somewhat difficult to install) DVD Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Thanks in advance! You're not overclocking so you would want a H61 or H67 motherboard such as an Asrock H61M U3S3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236 Paying a premium for a P67 motherboard which is intended to be used with a 2500k makes no sense when you are not overclocking. An aftermarket heatsink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ is also not necessary when you are not overclocking. The provided Intel heatsink is fine. If you don't want to deal with mail in rebates than the Seasonic S12II 520 would be a better choice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094 Both units are manufactured by Seasonic and are very similar. | ||
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Sheesh
United States15 Posts
On September 07 2011 13:44 CuraOh wrote: that a good build but is for ovecloking and you put in your question no so that a little weird Well I mainly just looked through this thread and picked stuff that was linked that looked good. What do I need to change/take out if I don't plan on overclocking? Edit- Ah, skyR replied before I even finished posting. Ok, thanks a lot for the help!! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On September 07 2011 13:41 DONTPANIC wrote: + Show Spoiler + Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 GIGABYTE GV-R695OC-1GD Radeon HD 6950 1GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233196 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130572 Okay. It's done. I ordered that stuff. It was driving me crazy to keep changing things. This will soon be in my Cosmos case. My new question is... how do I keep all the stuff on my current hard drive and plug it into a completely new computer? I'll be googling this question also. Data stored on the drive is going nowhere, but with a new motherboard you're looking at a clean install (which means you should back up all data, configs, and anything else you want to save, to another drive) or you're asking for trouble. | ||
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Arnovic
Netherlands49 Posts
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LazyMacro
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Darkvenom
United States1 Post
What is your resolution - 1920x1080 What are you using it for - Starcraft 2 on at least high settings and possibly some up and coming games such as Diablo 3 or Dota 2, Would also like to be able to stream in 1080p without a huge decrease in performance. What is your upgrade cycle - At least 3 years. When do you plan on building it - Within the week. Do you plan on overclocking - I've never messed around with overclocking but from what i hear its not too hard to learn enough to get a reasonable performance increase. So yes I plan on overclocking and if anyone has any good sites on guides to overclocking feel free to throw them at me, if not google is my friend. Do you need an Operating System? - Yes. Do you plan to add a second GPU - No. Where are you buying your parts from - Newegg most likely unless there are any good deals from sites that ship to the US. Thanks in advance to everyone who helps out here, its a great resource for people who are new to building their own PCs like me. :D | ||
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CuraOh
Chile81 Posts
Intel Core i5-2500K and Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.723046 $305 ASRock P67 PRO3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230 $120 (10MIR) SeaSonic S12II 520 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094 $60 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 $60 LIAN LI Lancool PC-K58 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112237 $70 GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 560 Ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363 $235 (30MIR) G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 $40 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 $30 ASUS 24X DVD Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $20 you can add a SSD for SO like this SAMSUNG 470 Series 64GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147127 $110 | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
Monitor: ASUS VH232H Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen Full HD 1080p LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 ASCR 20000:1 w/Speakers & HDMI $135 After $20 off Promo Code and $15 MIR Processor: Most likely an i5 2400 for $140-150 from Microcenter or Frys Motherboard: Most likely an H61 board, he's not looking for many features, preferably a cheaper nonbiostar one suggestions welcome. Hopefully around $65 RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL $40 after Promo Code GPU: XFX HD-685X-ZNDC Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit DDR5 $130 after MIR PSU: CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply $30 after MIR and Promo Code Case: No idea here, any recommendations? Cheaper the better, don't care much about aesthetics at all, as long as it's not bright yellow or some shit like that. Hopefully around $50. Can anyone comment on this case for $30? Should I go with a more sturdy/quality case? Thermaltake V3 Black Edition VL80001W2Z Black SECC / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Or is the Antec 300 much better? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-TechBargains&cm_mmc=AFC-TechBargains-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16811129042 $45 HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $45 Operating System: Blabber from TL (he goes to my school) is gonna give me one for $20, he's cheap and won't give for free. Trying to keep it sub $800 with monitor. | ||
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