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On September 05 2011 16:29 LazyMacro wrote:Everything I've read has said that a computer with my configuration will need anywhere between 500-600W of power, so I pretty much decided to go with the Corsair TX650 V2. Is this a mistake? Now I just need to figure out if it's worth it to spend extra for the i7 2600K over the i5 2500K for streaming, and then I need to decide if I want to get an SSD or not. If I get an SSD, any recommendations? Edit: I'm looking at these two SSDs: Intel 320 Series SATA II 120GBCrucial M4 SATA III 64GBAny thoughts? Edit: Oops, a couple of my posts have been pretty redundant. My mistake. -_-
id get the crucial because its sata 3 and way cheaper lol
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On September 05 2011 17:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 16:29 LazyMacro wrote:Everything I've read has said that a computer with my configuration will need anywhere between 500-600W of power, so I pretty much decided to go with the Corsair TX650 V2. Is this a mistake? Now I just need to figure out if it's worth it to spend extra for the i7 2600K over the i5 2500K for streaming, and then I need to decide if I want to get an SSD or not. If I get an SSD, any recommendations? Edit: I'm looking at these two SSDs: Intel 320 Series SATA II 120GBCrucial M4 SATA III 64GBAny thoughts? Edit: Oops, a couple of my posts have been pretty redundant. My mistake. -_- id get the crucial because its sata 3 and way cheaper lol
Well duh, it's almost half the size also...
Personally 64 GB is way to small for my taste. After I have installed windows and all the programs I use reguraly I would barely have any room left on a 64 gb ssd. Of couse each person have to judge that by themselves how they intend to use it, but I wouldn't recommend anything below 120. Though the crucial he linked is a better price than the intel in cost/performance. If he's not using too many large sized programs, go with the crucial.
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well duh, even if you double the price of the crucial, its still a good 50 dollars cheaper
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On September 05 2011 17:23 Legatus Lanius wrote:
well duh, even if you double the price of the crucial, its still a good 50 dollars cheaper
Saying it's way cheaper when they are not even the same size is like saying you are suprised that the suns comes up every morning. Obviously he's comparing prize for size with the two.
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i meant its way cheaper per gig brobocop. a 64gig ssd will fit windows 7 + two new games like the Witcher 2 with a few gigs to spare. that sounds like more than enough to me
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Sure it is. I'm not arguing the intel is a better cost.
I'm on the totally opposite opinion about what is enough space though. Windows and only two games sounds horrible to me. I guess if all you are doing is gaming and don't play more than 2-3 games at a time it's ok.
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On September 05 2011 12:12 deceased wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello sexy animals,
I need advice on a build I am doing. The parts I have down are:
Motherboard = Asus P8P67 Pro
CPU = Intel Core i7 2600
GPU = Sapphire ATI HD6950
HDD = Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3
Case = Coolermaster RC-692
PSU = Antec ATX EarthWatts 650W
Monitor = Benq E2420HD
RAM = G Skill 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz (CL9D-8GBRL)
I think that list covers the main parts. I would really appreciate it if anyone could just look over it and confirm that those parts are all compatible etc. I do not plan to overclock which is why I haven't gone for a K series CPU. I am also unsure if I should buy a CPU cooler or use the stock since I am not OC.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
edit: I also plan to use the computer for gaming, and multimedia.
It's hard to comment on a configuration without knowing pricing and availability of components to you. I assume you will be doing Eyefinity at some point, otherwise the motherboard and the 650w power supply goes to waste. A single GPU configuration can be ran on a ~500w power supply.
On September 05 2011 15:18 MrEko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm planning to build a computer in a month or two and i have a few questions.
How much would i need to spend to get a a computer that can run games that are new, years from now, on my 1024x768 monitor, I have including tax (12% in British Columbia I believe)?
Is overclocking worth the cost and/or risk performance wise?
If you answer yes to the above could you link me some guides for beginners of overclocking and building.
Depends on what settings you plan to play at? If it's reasonably high settings at that low of a resolution than somewhere around $550 without an operating system. If it's on low settings than somewhere around $500. Add in $90 if you don't have an operating system and can't get it for free or at a discounted rate elsewhere.
Whether overclocking is worth it or not is subjective. Here's an article showing various processors at various speeds: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x.html
On September 05 2011 15:55 galtdunn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Let me preface this by saying that I am a total noob at computers, I have no idea what some of these terms even mean (ex. overclocking), so that's why a lot of answers are "I don't know." Basically, I want a new desktop capable of running SC2 and DotA 2 (when it comes out) at medium-high settings without lagging. It also needs to be able to play blu-rays/movies, do all the normal school related stuff (Microsoft Office), and burn discs, etc. Before this post I had been consulting with my father and a friend, my friend is good with computers, while my dad has a lot of experience also. My dad has maintained that building a computer is not worth the effort because if something goes wrong I won't know how to fix it, etc; whilst my friend has been urging me the entire time to get a built one because I can get more for my money and he can help me with it. So my Dad and I had picked out this Acer Predator, but my computer savy friend told me this is not a good computer for the money it costs and that the Graphics Card is terrible (and I've done a bit of searching, it's nvidia's entry-level graphics card). So I come to you, TL Tech Forum, with a request for advice and tech knowledge. 1) Is maintaining a self-build computer easy (will I need to worry about repairs/upkeep)? I don't want to buy all the parts and then something goes wrong and I have no idea what to do. 2) Is the Acer Predator not a good computer for what I want? and 3) Assuming for some reason that buying the Acer is the worst decision of my life I haven't made yet, I'm going to provide the TL guidelines for building my own computer so I have the option to do that. So anyways, please help me out! I'm going to post in accordance to what I want in hopes that I get good suggestions, and hopefully some of you can help me out with the other part of my post too. Thanks in advance! + Show Spoiler +If you request a build, please answer these questions. We will spend as much effort on your build as you spend on your answers to these questions! I urge people to abstain from providing builds unless all the questions are answered. What is your budget?$1000 max, less is better  What is your resolution?I'll be buying a monitor seperate, so whatever my new monitor is. What are you using it for?Starcraft 2, DotA 2, watching movies, school stuff. What is your upgrade cycle?I don't know. When do you plan on building it?Sooner is better, prefferably within 1-2 months. Do you plan on overclocking?I don't know. Do you need an Operating System?Yes, it will need to run Windows 7. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?I don't think so (I want a non-integrated graphics card, but I don't need 2, which is what I think this is asking). Where are you buying your parts from?Wherever is cheaper, I live in Southern CA so I have access to Fry's and any American based online seller (Newegg, etc). Oh and last question, I also will be needing a new monitor, I want between 19-23" and less than $200. I had picked out this Asus, is it okay? Thanks so much! :D
The Acer Predator is as you said. It has a low-end graphics card not meant for gaming and a crappy power supply, you would probably be able to play on low at best at 1080p. You said you also need to run blu-ray but it doesn't even have a BD drive...
There is the same amount of maintenance between a pre-built computer such as the Acer Predator and a self-built configuration. It's just cleaning out the dust once in a while with compressed air. People are under the wrong impression if they think more is involved in maintaining a self-built configuration... that's only true if you are overclocking (and even than it's arguable) or doing a custom liquid cooling solution. But with both, there is a chance of hardware failure. If you're not confident in your ability to google or have friends help you than maybe you're better off going with a prebuilt that's just send in and have them repair it.
Here's a configuration for $773 ($673 if you can get Windows for free or at a discounted rate through other means such as university / work) that's capable of running current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings at 1080p and has a Blu-ray drive.
Core i5 2400 @ $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074
XFX Radeon HD6850 @ $160 ($130 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150551
Asrock H61M-VS @ $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
GSkill 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $44
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422
Coolermaster HAF 912 $ 60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
Corsair CX430 V2 @ $45 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
Blu-Ray Drive @ $59
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106325
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Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
On September 05 2011 17:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +heres a question about power supplies homies
is there any actual, practical difference between a power supply like the ax750 and the tpn-750? i know the corsair has better internals, better regulation and all that jazz, but does that even matter? will it affect anything? arent both of them so far in spec that the corsair's advantages over the tp are a waste of money?
i guess all im asking is, what do the better components and abilities achieve? is it redundant buying the corsair over the antec? is it something stupid like the ripple from the antec will fustigate the capacitors in 20 years and the corsair in 20 years and a month? i hope im being clear with what im saying
This depends on pricing...? Both are good power supplies and as you said it doesn't really matter here.
If you're looking for a modular power supply, I would avoid the TPN line at all costs because well their system isn't really f***ing modular.
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On September 05 2011 16:29 LazyMacro wrote:Everything I've read has said that a computer with my configuration will need anywhere between 500-600W of power, so I pretty much decided to go with the Corsair TX650 V2. Is this a mistake? Now I just need to figure out if it's worth it to spend extra for the i7 2600K over the i5 2500K for streaming, and then I need to decide if I want to get an SSD or not. If I get an SSD, any recommendations? Edit: I'm looking at these two SSDs: Intel 320 Series SATA II 120GBCrucial M4 SATA III 64GBAny thoughts? Edit: Oops, a couple of my posts have been pretty redundant. My mistake. -_-
I really dont know what the rest of your build is and how you use your computer, but personally I regret getting a SSD. (64GB m4 for 110$CAN), I think it would have been smarter to get a 2nd monitor (where prices are not going down anymore unlike newer tech like SSD) (again ,depends on your needs are and if you have a budget that it stoping you from getting everything you need.)
Anyways, last 2 weeks there have been crazy specials in the US for m4 SSDs with the 64GB at 80$ USD and the 128 at 150$ USD so maybe just wait it out for a good deal since you dont need your SSD from start. But I mean tat 90$ its already a pretty good deal if 64GB is enough for u.
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The fan is a bit loud on that XFX HD 6850 model supposedly. If that would bother you, the Powercolor model for the same price may be better, though you lose the lifetime warranty. Or you could spend a little more. If you were originally looking at $1000, there's definitely room to upgrade the graphics card (and power supply to have the necessary connectors) if you wanted, so no need to necessarily stick with a HD 6850 even though it will be fine with most games at decent settings.
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@skyr
i know both are good, but my question is referring to whether or not the ax750 is 'too good.' will the corsair's superior quality ever come into play in a practical scenario? it just seems like theres a threshold for power supplies and once you get to it everything past is just a waste of money. if not, what kind of situations are worth getting the corsair over the antec (excluding stuff like warranty and electricity bills)
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If you need to ask than the Corsair AX's higher quality isn't really worth the price premium is it? I was in a similar position roughly a year ago when deciding between a Seasonic X560 or Antec Truepower New 650 (for more than half the price of the X560) and I ended up picking the X560 because... well let's face it, the TPN isn't really modular with all the useless crap hardwired and a 3+3+3 SATA configuration is stupid. This isn't practical at all in my eyes.
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im not choosing between them, im just curious as to if there actually is a situation when the corsair is justified, outside of modularity. like, even if i do something retarded like folding all day, the tpn will be just as good, right? as in both of the PSUs will last for a long long time without any hiccups?
i heard some people talk about PSUs with lower ripple helping reach higher overclocks, is there any merit in that? if so, how much of an effect will it have between two psus like the corsair and the antec?
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Well if you're folding all day than purchasing an AX is justifiable since it has a higher efficiency... Both units have low ripples and I highly doubt it matters unless you plan on doing some absurd overclock. If you're finding it hard to justify purchasing an AX than it's simply not worth it for you.
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Is the Corsair AX really "good quality"? Pretty sure its the same as the Seasonic X series with lots of coil whining complaints. Anyway, the Seasonic X is literally silent unless you put a lot of load on it. That's the whole point of it. Its a really, really nice PSU but its in overkill territory IMHO.
I have an TPN650 or whatever its called. Its not really modular but it doesn't really concern me because I use all of the attached connectors anyway. Personally even if it has all of its cables pre-attached, how hard is it really to hide them? Pretty sure enthusiasts love modular units because its a lot easier to change cable lengths and sleeves and its neater for cases with side windows.
i heard some people talk about PSUs with lower ripple helping reach higher overclocks, is there any merit in that? if so, how much of an effect will it have between two psus like the corsair and the antec?
If it did, it'd be so insignificant that no one would honestly care. Your hardware is safer with the Seasonic X/Corsair AX but will it overclock better? Probably not.
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so for a gaming (non-folding) build, theres absolutely no reason to purchase the ax over the tpn, from a performance perspective (assuming the money saved from the efficiency is excluded)? i mean, even if you have the spare money, it doesnt seem like theres a point anyway.
cheers
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There's no reason to even pay for the TPN for a gaming build. If you have spare money to spend, you either spend it on the graphics card (case as well if you plan on keeping it forever) or put it towards the monitor, speakers, mechanical keyboard, desk, chair, and basically everything else that isn't in the case.
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Hmm ok so.. i need a new 'everythin' (desktop/laptop/monitors) for about everything what i do.. Every help is welcome..
What is your budget?
€3500 all-in (computer + laptop + screens)
according to xe.com thats about $5000
What is your resolution?
I need new monitors so i have no resolution in mind. I would like a set of 3 on the desktop. 1 Hd would be cool but not needed.
But i do need an exit from my desktop to my HD tv.. And a Tv- entry would be nice
What are you using it for?
Desktop:
- gaming (sc2 and other.. both high-end games as old games) I hope ultra-quality for this price.. but high woul already be good.
- multi-table poker
- engineering software
- watching HD movies, blue-ray (if possible also write blue-rays)
- maybe streaming in future.. but this is no must at all
=> This will go in my living room.. and might be working when i've guest.. so silence is welcome
Laptop:
- engineering software on the go: it has to be able to run these things but not fast (just for showing work mostly, and little tweaks.. no real working)..
- gaming on the go: sc2 on very low settings is fine.. (once in a while at friends place orso)
What is your upgrade cycle?
At least 2years.
When do you plan on building it?
next week / two weeks
Do you plan on overclocking?
No idea how that works. Don't think i need it.
Do you need an Operating System?
Not if windows 7 home is good enough.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If it is possible in this budget, the more power the better.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in belgium.. So most dutch/german/french/UK sites are also possible.
Thanks in advance.
Before anyone asks, no i'm not a pro poker player. It's just a hobby, i do get above break-even but no huge profits. I get my money from another form of own work.
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With a budget like that, you can anything you want ... for the engineering stuff, your not running the work itself on your computer ? if not an i5 will be enough, otherwise, an i7 will be needed
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On September 06 2011 02:29 Rachnar wrote:
With a budget like that, you can anything you want ... for the engineering stuff, your not running the work itself on your computer ? if not an i5 will be enough, otherwise, an i7 will be needed
This budget of €3500 needs to cover everything (desktop - monitors - laptop).
For major Finite element method calculations i have other means at disposal. But now and then i would like to do some of the little calculations myself.
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Oh ok misread sorry, will edit when i find what you need
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