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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 21:58:15
August 25 2011 21:57 GMT
#10221
edit : nvm
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#10222
Take a picture or specify what you have in the BIOS and we'll tell you what's wrong.
Cornstyle
Profile Joined October 2010
United States147 Posts
August 26 2011 00:54 GMT
#10223
Hey guys, I was looking into getting a second monitor and theres currently some newegg deals I was looking at. My question is would an IPS monitor with a response time of 14 m/s be too slow for gaming? I've linked the monitor in question, feel free to tear me a new one if its terrible, this is why I ask

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-005-232&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 01:00:22
August 26 2011 00:57 GMT
#10224
==Manual CPU System== (Everything that can be set is in brackets)
Fixed CPU Ratio [Enabled] (locks everything UNDER PLL Voltage Override)
CPU Ratio [42]
CPU Base Clock (1/100 MHz) [1000]
CPU Core Current Max (Amp) [105]
Power Limit 1 Value (Watt) [95]
Power Limit 2 Switch [Enabled] (allows the next one for moderation)
Power Limit 2 Value (Watt) [118]
Internal PLL Voltage Override [Disabled]
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology [Disabled]
Turbo Mode [Disabled]
1 Core Ratio Limit [37]
2 Core Ratio Limit [36]
3 Core Ratio Limit [35]
4 Core Ratio Limit [34]
CPU C1E [Enabled]

==Manual Memory System===
Will skip this, everything is set to Auto and BY SPD, I didn't touch this the first time when it worked either. Ask if you want to see it.

==Manual PWM Phase System===
CPU Request Vcore 1.250V (always locked at this)
CPU VCore Mode [Fixed Mode] (out of Auto, Offset, and Fixed)
CPU VCore Offset [+0.000V] (locked unless Offset is on)
CPU Vcore Fixed [1.270V] (What I'm using)
Phase Control [CPU Power State] (other option is FULL POWER ON)
PWM work Frequency [Auto] (out of 200 Khz, 185, 165, 145)
PWM I-OUT Override [Disabled]
PWM Thermal report Override [Disabled]
CPU Vcore Loadline [Enabled]

==Manual Voltage System===
Everything under is on Auto:
DRam Volage, Vcc SA, Vcc IO, CPU PLL, PCH Voltage

The options for CPU PLL are Auto, Default (1.8V), 1.9, 2.0, 2.1.

==Basic CPU Configuration==
Active Processor Cores [ALL] (options are ALL, 1, 2, 3]
LIMIT CPUID Maximum [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Hardware Prefetcher [Enabled]
Adjacent Cache Line Prefetch [Enabled]
Intel Virtulization Technology [Disabled]
Power Technology [Energy Efficient] (Disable, E. Efficient, Custom)

Custom in Power Technology (above) opens the three options:
CPU C3 Report [Disabled, ACPI C-2, ACPI C-3]
CPU C6 Report [Enabled or Disabled]
Package C State Limit [C0, C1, C6, C7, No Limit]

Thanks! I also tried Virtualization On and Off, no difference.If I don't do any server editing or anything I don't need this On right?

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epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 01:14:09
August 26 2011 01:13 GMT
#10225
On August 26 2011 09:54 Cornstyle wrote:
Hey guys, I was looking into getting a second monitor and theres currently some newegg deals I was looking at. My question is would an IPS monitor with a response time of 14 m/s be too slow for gaming? I've linked the monitor in question, feel free to tear me a new one if its terrible, this is why I ask

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-005-232&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo

Here are better deals:
Oh crap I just searched it, seems like Buy.com isn't selling the cheap V236H:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059
This is $10 more expensive, but a great monitor. Its response time is 2ms (faster than all other monitors in its price range). People say the ms thing can be bs, but I doubt a good company like ASUS would do such thing. MLG uses this monitor for HALO as well, if it makes you feel better.

The monitor is $199, which is probably not worth a $40 difference (not even sure if it is better) than the ASUS V236H.
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camconnor
Profile Joined April 2011
31 Posts
August 26 2011 01:44 GMT
#10226
Hi,
For years now I have been bouncing the idea of building my own computer around in my head, but never being confident in my abilities to decide on a build. This thread is a fantastic resource, and I thought I might try asking for TL's help since I am hardware-retarded, to say the least.

What is your budget?

Fortunately money isn't the biggest issue, however if possible I'd like to keep my build under $2000. From what I understand this shouldn't be a problem, however I am including the price for completeness sake.

What is your resolution?

Ideally I would like dual monitors, with resolutions of 1920x1080 if possible, but 16 : 9 nonetheless.

What are you using it for?

My computer will have 2 main uses:
1. Gaming - Of course it is irresponsible of me to provide this as my primary use (and I feel a little guilty doing so) but I do love my video games, and having them run smoothly for me is important.
2. Data Processing - I will be working with quite large datasets of financial data (often as big as 1GB) for both school and work (as well as my own finances). I need to be able to run programs such as Stata on the computer. Also, I will be doing some mathmatical modelling on programs like Matlab and Maple (mostly for school).

What is your upgrade cycle?

I cannot see myself being someone going out and upgrading overly often, and I imagine my upgrade cycle would be about 2 years.

When do you plan on building it?

Hopefully, I can be building this computer quite soon, I'd like to have it up and running by October if that is possible, or even sooner. School starts by mid September so if I was able to beat that date it would be great too.

Do you plan on overclocking?

I know so little about these things that I'm unsure if I plan on doing this. Is it inadvisable? Is it necessary? I'm sorry I cannot provide a more helpful answer to this question.

Do you need an Operating System?

I currently run Vista Ultimate (that I got for free, through legal means I might add), but am considering moving up to 7.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Is this recommended for my gaming? Will it vastly improve the graphics/performance of the games? I know little of these things, so again I unfortunately can't adequately answer this question.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I live in Canada, and am within walking distance of a Canada Computers at both my houses, so if possible I will buy my parts from there and save on the shipping costs. Otherwise, both ordering from Canada Computers and NCIX is what I imagine I will be doing.

Thank you very much, I think what you are doing here is absolutely wonderful, helpful, and hugely generous. I couldn't believe it when I sent a PM inquiring about proper etiquette for this site and finding a quick answer about just answering the questions and getting your help putting together an entire build.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
August 26 2011 01:56 GMT
#10227
With your budget it would be cool to have overclocking, and with the new Sandy Bridge series it honestly is not that hard.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=257286

My blog (though not finished) gives you a general idea of 80% of the parts and what they do. You will get Windows 7 lol, its $100 and with such a high budget it shouldn't be a big deal at all. Dual GPU is recommended as an upgrade later on, as you usually would get better performance with one good GPU. And as Jingle says, dual GPU is for people who enjoy tweaking the tiniest stuff for a few FPS, something the majority of us do not understand (I assume you don't).

Unfortunately you would have to get someone like SkyR to give you the actual links for the parts, as I have no experience in picking Canadian products (I only use Newegg, and never used NCIX). I will give links on what I can.

8 GB DDR3 RAM
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57953&vpn=F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL&manufacture=G.Skill

Intel Core i7 2600k (Holy crap thats expensive in Canada)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57960&vpn=BX80623I72600K&manufacture=Intel

+ Show Spoiler +
I want to recommend a GTX 590 but that would be stupid.

Nvidia GTX 580
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56629&vpn=VCGGTX580XPB&manufacture=PNY Technologies Inc&promoid=1367

Those are the main components, as to the others sorry, but the Canada product picking is too difficult for me.

The others you would need can be found in my blog.
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camconnor
Profile Joined April 2011
31 Posts
August 26 2011 02:22 GMT
#10228
Thank you very much! However, the motherboard was the thing I was worrying about as there tend to be a million little codes in the name of each one. From your blog, would a Z68 be a good board? Is that overkill? Not enough?
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 02:30:28
August 26 2011 02:27 GMT
#10229
A Z68 would be PERFECT for your budget. If one knew more about computers, an X58 (the only better board) would even be better, but it would be useless if you are not experienced at computer parts. LGA 1155 Z68 is the "code" you would want. Another factor is if you want SLI as an option (dual GPU) as a future upgrade.

Now that I think of it, there is almost no reason right now to get an X58 board for your needs. You could even go with a P67 if you wanted to, but with your budget it wouldn't really make that much of a difference. You would probably have about $500-600 leftovers with my an i7 2600k, GTX 580, and Z68.
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ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
August 26 2011 02:34 GMT
#10230
do not buy from canada computers, unless you're sure they absolutely have the lowest price in town (check pricebat.ca, shopbot.ca, etc to be sure). CC has an awful pricematching policy and they'll turn your PMs down from competing stores a good amount of time. NCIX otoh have a very lenient PM policy, they pretty much never refuse PMs.
camconnor
Profile Joined April 2011
31 Posts
August 26 2011 02:41 GMT
#10231
The reason I would get canada computers is that I can literally walk to the store, and completely eliminate shipping costs.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 26 2011 02:55 GMT
#10232
And of course, shipping delays? Makes sense.
Freeheals
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States488 Posts
August 26 2011 03:32 GMT
#10233
So I recently built a ~$1200 computer (giving price to explain how important it being safe is), and have it all hooked up to a surge protector except for my ethernet which is plugged right into the wall (then to my router, which is not surge protected or anything like that). What I'm wondering is if it is recommended that I run my Ethernet through some sort of surge protector to help prevent a surge through that route?

Any recommendations for a cheap option?

Thanks
http://www.last.fm/user/Rahdek
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 03:35:24
August 26 2011 03:34 GMT
#10234
Uhm, I think basically any electronics store should sell a surge protector power strip with ethernet. It's not the most common thing to use, but it isn't a terrible idea if you have frequent or severe thunderstorms.

Certainly for a $15-20 investment including the spare cable, it seems reasonable, I use them, but I've never had to do anything special to get one.

And yes, a surge can come through the router, but it's much less common now that we aren't using telephone modems.
Freeheals
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States488 Posts
August 26 2011 03:37 GMT
#10235
On August 26 2011 12:34 JingleHell wrote:
Uhm, I think basically any electronics store should sell a surge protector power strip with ethernet. It's not the most common thing to use, but it isn't a terrible idea if you have frequent or severe thunderstorms.

Certainly for a $15-20 investment including the spare cable, it seems reasonable, I use them, but I've never had to do anything special to get one.

And yes, a surge can come through the router, but it's much less common now that we aren't using telephone modems.

I had a really hard time finding one for less that $50 that wasn't just a phone jack surge protector rather than ethernet
http://www.last.fm/user/Rahdek
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 26 2011 03:44 GMT
#10236
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-12-Outlet-Protector-Ethernet-Protection/dp/B000HPX46U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314330248&sr=8-1
camconnor
Profile Joined April 2011
31 Posts
August 26 2011 04:02 GMT
#10237
Here's a build I put together with a little input from my buddy:

CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.40Ghz, 8MB L3 Cache, 32nm
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65&item_id=035532
329.99

Motherboard: Asus P8Z68 DELUXE Socket 1155 Intel Z68 Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 2200(O.C.)*/2133(O.C.)/1866(O.C.)/1600/1333/1066 MHz 3x PCI-Express 2.0 x16 GLAN 8-CH High Definition Audio 4x SATA 3.0Gb/s 2x SATA 6.0Gb/s 4x USB 3.0 12x USB 2.0 Bluetooth V2.1+EDR ATX
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=039488
259.99

graphics: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1024MB Superclocked GDDR5 (01G-P3-1463-KR) nVidia GeForce GT 560 Chipset(850MHz) 1024MB DDR5 Memory(4104MHz) Dual DVI/Mini-HDMI Port PCI Express 2.0 Graphics Card
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_559&item_id=038942
204.99

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series DDR3 1333MHz (PC3-10666) 8GB (2x4GB) Dual Channel Kit (F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL)
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_311_312_611&item_id=035766
49.99

Hard drive: Western Digital Caviar Black (WD1002FAEX) 1000GB (1TB) SATA3 7200RPM 64MB Cache
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_210_212&item_id=029337
84.99

Disc drive: LG GH22NS70 Black SATA DVD-Writer 22xDVD+/-R 6xDVD+R DL 48x CD-R
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&item_id=039099
22.99

psu: Corsair Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 80PLUS Bronze Certified 750W Power Supply
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_441&item_id=036009
115.99

case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced Black ATX Mid Tower Case
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112&item_id=027983
89.99

monitors: LG W2243T-PF, 21.5" Widescreen HD 1080p LCD, 5ms (G to G), 1920 x 1080, 30,000:1(DFC), 16, HD-1080P, Black
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_699_291&item_id=023370
149.99 x2

Total including both monitors: A little under $1500
However, that's not counting windows 7 and anti-virus software (any recs for that?)
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 26 2011 04:06 GMT
#10238
What you doing with the PC? No clue if it's good or not without that.
camconnor
Profile Joined April 2011
31 Posts
August 26 2011 04:07 GMT
#10239
On August 26 2011 10:44 camconnor wrote:

What are you using it for?

My computer will have 2 main uses:
1. Gaming - Of course it is irresponsible of me to provide this as my primary use (and I feel a little guilty doing so) but I do love my video games, and having them run smoothly for me is important.
2. Data Processing - I will be working with quite large datasets of financial data (often as big as 1GB) for both school and work (as well as my own finances). I need to be able to run programs such as Stata on the computer. Also, I will be doing some mathmatical modelling on programs like Matlab and Maple (mostly for school).
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
August 26 2011 04:10 GMT
#10240
Oh Jingle if you may, SkyR seems to be busy atm, so could you please help on my CPUZ is not showing my overclock at all?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137554&currentpage=512#10224

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