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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
bunnymuncher
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 18:34:35
August 05 2011 18:32 GMT
#9221
On August 06 2011 03:20 Wabbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 02:40 bunnymuncher wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

1. Custom Build:
CPU: CPU: i5 2500k
MB: MOBO: Gigabyte GA-Z68A
Video: EVGA GTX 560
RAM: Gskill 8gb (2x4gb) DDR3 1333
HDD: Seagate 1TB 7200 RPM
PSU: Antec 520W
Optical: DVD Burner: Asus 24x
Case: Antec Sonata
OS: Windows 7 Home Prem
SW: MS Office Home& Student

Total: $1158 + tax note: No monitor, therefore i'd be buying a 24" seperate

2. Dell XPS 8300
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-2600 processor(8MB Cache, 3.4GHz)
MB: Couldn't find this on list of specs :S
Video: AMD Radeon™ HD 6770
RAM: 12GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
HDD: 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
PSU: Couldn't find this either
Optical: Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
Case: Probably some standard Dell case
OS: Windows 7 Home Prem
SW: MS Office Home& Student

Total: $1,238.99 +tax (down from $1,907.99)
Includes Dell ST2420L 24"W Full HD Monitor, 24.0 VIS, VGA Cable supplied only

Hopefully the information was sufficient. Just curious as to what the better deal is. Using this computer for standard gaming uses (SC2, CS:S, TF2, WOW, etc).



I'm not sure about your math or where you're getting the components for that custom build, but I'm adding up to around $1020.

Also lol @ that Dell ... without the monitor, the price would be approximately the same as the prebuilt but that's with poor optimization, probably a mystery PSU, and that's at a 35% discount.


My math includes labour to build it, shipping charges, and a warrenty that the guy building it is giving me.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
August 05 2011 18:37 GMT
#9222
On August 06 2011 03:32 bunnymuncher wrote:
My math includes labour to build it, shipping charges, and a warrenty that the guy building it is giving me.


That explains it I guess I was spoiled by paying a grand total of $10 in shipping for all of my parts (similar parts to yours), plus I built it myself and did not add any extra warranty or shipping insurance.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 05 2011 18:43 GMT
#9223
Core i5 2500k @ $208
http://www.hltechnology.com/one_prod.php?pid=039880

EVGA GTX 560 @ $190
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130660

GSkill 2x4GB 1333Mhz @ $45
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD8579

Antec High Current Gamer 520 @ $55
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC1338

Seagate Baracuda 1TB 7200RPM @ $52
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX24082(ME).aspx

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $94
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/222137/GFC-00599/MICROSOFT/

ASUS DVD Burner @ $21
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

The above is all the components that actually has a model or is easily recognized.

Let's assume you paid for the best Antec Sonata case which is a IV for $116: http://www.cendirect.com/main_en/tech_specs.php?rPart_no=EITPOBUBJWDB

So that gives us a total of $781. Okay so you're paying $1158 which leaves me to wonder where the hell did the $377 go?

Okay, let's assume you're paying $170 for a high-end motherboard that provides nothing for a non-tech savvy user: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128494

This leaves us with $207 for Microsoft Office (people still buy this for $100?), shipping, labor, and warranty.


If you're not getting either the Sonata IV or Z68 UD4 than you are severely getting ripped off.

Even if you are getting both of those components, you are still getting ripped off.
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
August 05 2011 21:40 GMT
#9224
On August 05 2011 22:53 skyR wrote:
You may need to purchase / get an additional SATA cable since some lower end motherboards only provide two of these. Everything else is included with the components.

Since I am getting the Gigabyte Z68MA-D2H-B3 mATX: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=61004 and I am guessing it comes with 2 SATA but I will have a DVD/HD/SSD,
I went looking for a SATA cable and found an old Dell prebuild. Can I take out the cable from that? It had a CDplayer (not DVD) and obviously a hard drive. how do i know if its ATA or SATA?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 05 2011 21:48 GMT
#9225
SATA is a cable: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


ATA will be a ribbon: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 21:54:05
August 05 2011 21:49 GMT
#9226
crap
oh only 55 cents :D
Price matched with bestdirect, noob , please dont hurt me
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 05 2011 21:51 GMT
#9227
You can just buy one, they're not expensive at all: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=15994&promoid=1307 or you can just ask your friendly IT department at your school or a local computer shop =p
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
August 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#9228
last time I bother you, promise

the XFX graphic cards seem to be shipping with a core clock stuck at 775MHz.
http://forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=showthread&msg_id=2390026&threadid=2390026&forum=101&product_id=62756&msgcount=3&overclockid=0#msg2390026

Do you think this would be a permanent problem or they can fix it via driver updates?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 05 2011 22:35 GMT
#9229
Seems to be a BIOS problem for that specific model from what I just read. It'll be fixable but I would advise getting a different model.
Dragom
Profile Joined December 2010
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 23:32:30
August 05 2011 23:27 GMT
#9230
Im a programmer, not a computer maker... If i try to do something with my clumsy hands, ill fail.

BTW: anyone who has time to show me how to build a computoer, pls PM me in TL.
"The second thing to go is your memory...ergh, I can't remember what the first thing is..."
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
August 06 2011 04:42 GMT
#9231
On August 06 2011 08:27 Dragom wrote:
Im a programmer, not a computer maker... If i try to do something with my clumsy hands, ill fail.

BTW: anyone who has time to show me how to build a computoer, pls PM me in TL.



This is a good starting point.

http://lifehacker.com/5827491/how-to-build-a-computer-from-scratch-lesson-3-building-the-computer

Have fun =)

OK TL i need some recommendations for a case for a new build
mATX for factor, so I want a smaller case

What I'm looking for. (in order of importance)

Dust filters. Really important to me.
Decent cooling, at least 2 120mm intakes or equivalent.
Less noise if possible, at least some kind of dampening on the hard drives.
Doesn't look like a piece of turd (well it the other 3 criteria pass this one is less important)
USB3.0 ports on the case

What I was looking at previously was the Lian Li PC A04

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/LianLi/PC-A04B/

I can get it for
GTR Lian-Li PC-A04/BK 鋁合金 (黑色) Micro ATX Tower Case HK$ 670
670 Hong Kong dollars = 85.81628 U.S. dollars
(that's at a brick and mortar store, not much online shopping over here.)

But I was wondering if there were any other cases that looked/performed better that you guys might have come across.

Thanks =)
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 06 2011 05:13 GMT
#9232
How many 3.5" hard drives do you have? If just one, you can use the Silverstone TJ08-E and take out the hard drive cage. If using more, then use the hard drive cage, but you may need to use some padding to reduce vibrations. They already use rubber on the insides apparently, but it is not enough given the lack of support for the hard drive cage.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/ss-tj08e

But that price for a PC-A04 looks pretty good.
ProZerren
Profile Joined August 2011
United States10 Posts
August 06 2011 06:26 GMT
#9233
What is your budget?
800-1100

What is your resolution?
I have no idea

What are you using it for?
Gaming, Watching Videos (Mostly Destiny )

What is your upgrade cycle?
Until the desktop breaks

When do you plan on building it?
2-4 months

Do you plan on overclocking?
Probably not; Its mostly because I have no idea how too

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, Windows 7

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If I have enough money left over

Where are you buying your parts from?
The Cheapest place

Additional info:
This is my first time building a computer. Can someone give me a link to a video that teaches how to build one?

johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
August 06 2011 14:18 GMT
#9234
On August 06 2011 14:13 Myrmidon wrote:
How many 3.5" hard drives do you have? If just one, you can use the Silverstone TJ08-E and take out the hard drive cage. If using more, then use the hard drive cage, but you may need to use some padding to reduce vibrations. They already use rubber on the insides apparently, but it is not enough given the lack of support for the hard drive cage.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/ss-tj08e

But that price for a PC-A04 looks pretty good.


Yeah pretty much. Read that review as well, the case looks reallllllllly nice but I wasn't really sold on the 180mm fan concept. (and it's smaller than the A04 to boot which is good but still that fan.....)

Was planning on a 120g ssd boot drive and a 1 or 2 tb data drive, so only 1 3.5, need to go check if the A04 has a seperate mount or if i need an adapter.

And fans without LEDs are a PLUS. they're annoying.


Thanks for the recommendation, was only wondering if there was any other good case that I missed other than the PC A04.

Peace.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 16:02:40
August 06 2011 15:46 GMT
#9235
What is wrong with a single 180mm fan? Just curious...yes you can hear it but you can also hear OEM quality 120mm fans which may end up being actually louder. The 120mm fans are potentially better if you have a lot of hard drives as you benefit from more equal air distribution but the AP181 fan is sufficient for such a small case and the hard drive cage serves as a duct to direct air towards your hardware (notice the hard drive cage is exactly the same size as the 180mm fan). Anyway if you want any fan setup to be quiet, you will need to undervolt your fans with a fan controller or 3-pin resistors adapters.

Anyway, the Lian Li A04 is extremely easy to work in however runs into all of the problems faced by all-aluminum cases - easy to damage as well as extremely prone to vibrations. It doesn't help that Lian Li's hard drive dampening system is more suited to convenience than actual noise reduction.

Keep in mind the Lian Li A04 has CPU clearance issues. It can fit smaller coolers but will absolutely be incapable of fitting any of the typical full height tower coolers like the Coolermaster Hyper 212+. I think the max clearance height is like 154mm.

There is more to "quiet computing" than sound dampening foam and rubber grommets. I can tell you that for fairly powerful systems, it will be easier to make the TJ08-E quiet than pretty much any other mATX case on the market.

Hard mounted (or close enough) hard disks in the TJ08E is an issue but I'm fairly sure foam weather strip along the side panels should be enough to eliminate all of the audible vibrations - no idea why Silverstone, or any other case manufacturer, can't take a leaf out of Antec's book and use gooey silicon mounts instead of the rubbish they put in all of their cases. I know everyone has hard ons for the tool-less concept but they all either suck or are absolutely redundant.
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
August 06 2011 16:13 GMT
#9236
On August 05 2011 02:05 skyR wrote:


Here's a configuration with a 2500k and an SSD for $817 before mail in rebates that's capable of playing current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings at 1080p.

Core i5 2500k @ $208 (pricematch with http://www.hltechnology.com/one_prod.php?pid=039880 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57962

Gigabyte Z68 D2H @ $110 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD5085 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61004

GSkill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $45
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57950&promoid=1307

Mushkin 2x4GB @ $45 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1307

XFX Radeon HD6870 @ $165 ($145 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62756&promoid=1307

XFX Core Edition Pro 450 @ $47 ($37 after mail in reabte) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2804 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59614

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $49 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/230752/RC-912-KKN1/COOLERMASTER/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $40 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC9911 )
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=58402

DVD Burner @ $19
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60344&promoid=1307

Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $23 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=1946101809P )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337

Crucial M4 @ $111 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11230DR4284 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60444




Can I change the GPU to http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11610BD1412&vpn=01G-P3-1561-AR&manufacture=EVGA
since there is a problem with the XFX Radeon HD6870 models?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 06 2011 16:16 GMT
#9237
Yes.
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 16:35:38
August 06 2011 16:29 GMT
#9238
and which one would u recommend? the EVGA or the MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II OC 880MHZ at the same price.


I know one is known for customer support and other for cooling and I also know alot of people purchase the Twin forz, just wanted your opinion.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 06 2011 16:37 GMT
#9239
I would purchase Twin Frozr II for $230 ($210 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565 , http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58303
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 17:34:35
August 06 2011 17:30 GMT
#9240
One more question

140$ but saves me 33$ on shipping -Gigabyte Z68X-UD4-B3 ATX LGA1155 Z68 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI SLI SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=61001&promoid=1363

110$ Gigabyte Z68MA-D2H-B3 mATX LGA1155 Z68 DDR3 3PCI-E16 1PCI-E1 HDMI DVI SLI SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=61004&promoid=1363

you still recommend the 2nd one?

EDIT: Ill just go with your suggestion.
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