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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
August 05 2011 04:33 GMT
#9181
On August 05 2011 13:27 psp219 wrote:
What is your budget?

5000 RMB ~ 833 US DOLLARS
What is your resolution?

1280x1024
What are you using it for?

Casual Gaming.
What is your upgrade cycle?

4 years
When do you plan on building it?

ASAP
Do you plan on overclocking?

No
Do you need an Operating System?

Yes I don't want to buy one of those Chinese cracked ones.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No
Where are you buying your parts from?
www.360buy.com - It's in Chinese and the prices are in RMB. In the upper right hand corner it says 装机大师. Click that and it brings you to the parts selection where you can add the parts together

At that resolution you could only use like $600... I would suggest getting a new monitor with that budget as well, as 1280 is pretty bad graphics for gaming.
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 05:05:26
August 05 2011 04:57 GMT
#9182
On August 05 2011 13:27 psp219 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?

5000 RMB ~ 833 US DOLLARS
What is your resolution?

1280x1024
What are you using it for?

Casual Gaming.
What is your upgrade cycle?

4 years
When do you plan on building it?

ASAP
Do you plan on overclocking?

No
Do you need an Operating System?

Yes I don't want to buy one of those Chinese cracked ones.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No
Where are you buying your parts from?
www.360buy.com - It's in Chinese and the prices are in RMB. In the upper right hand corner it says 装机大师. Click that and it brings you to the parts selection where you can add the parts together


Here's a configuration for ¥4538 capable of playing all current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings at your 1280x1024 and will also be able to do 1080p decently for most games if you ever decide to upgrade your monitor.

Don't know much about Yeston so you should do some research about the brand and that particular model. Disregard what I said previously, it's a sale price so pricing makes sense. If it ends than get a Radeon HD5670 by ASUS: http://www.360buy.com/product/437840.html

Core i5 2400 @ ¥1499
http://www.360buy.com/product/391779.html

Intel H61 @ ¥499
http://www.360buy.com/product/409087.html

Yeston Radeon HD5770 @ ¥449
http://www.360buy.com/product/324334.html

GEIL 2x4GB 1333MHz @ ¥379
http://www.360buy.com/product/364131.html

Corsair CX430 V2 @ ¥369
http://www.360buy.com/product/437502.html

Western Digital Caviar Blue @ ¥289
http://www.360buy.com/product/338124.html

Coolermaster Elite 370 @ ¥219
http://www.360buy.com/product/260796.html

Windows 7 Home Premium @ ¥699
http://www.360buy.com/product/179998.html

DVD Burner @ ¥136
http://www.360buy.com/product/277061.html
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 05 2011 05:07 GMT
#9183
Especially if you're sticking with lower-power cards, I highly recommend getting this power supply instead. It should be significantly better than the Corsair CX430 V2, and you don't need all that power anyway. I think they advertise it as 80 plus gold to 350W, but can be run at up to 450W at 80 plus silver levels.

Super Flower Golden Green Pro 350W - ¥399
http://www.360buy.com/product/373342.html

Review (note: some CapXon capacitors and worse build quality than the higher-wattage Golden Green, but it's not like this thing will ever see that much heat)
http://www.itocp.com/htmls/02/n-1602.html

Also considering the price difference I'd take the Core i5-2300 rather than the i5-2400. It's just 300 MHz slower, that's all.

Core i5-2300 - ¥1259
http://www.360buy.com/product/337940.html
shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
August 05 2011 08:29 GMT
#9184
Guys,
made my mind about the video card - will be a GTX580. However I am thorn between those two:

EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Car

vs

ZOTAC ZT-50101-10P GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Pretty much the same money wise..couldn't find any additional info to help decide between those two. Or maybe there is a better choice I missed. Any advice will be greatly apreciated. Thanks!
[Fear the leather Gracket!] // ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ // Liquid'Hero hwaiting!
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
August 05 2011 09:14 GMT
#9185
Thanks for the thread. Just today I bought myself a Radeon HD 6950 1GB. Witcher 2 looks damn impressive, and SC2 can be run on full settings.

However, there are small stutterrings when I run a replay on fasterx2/4/8 settings. What could this cause? I am using 4GB Kingston HyperX RAM, just to inform you, so any chance it is about the RAM?

Also, Quad-Core AMD 2.2 GhZ processor.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 05 2011 09:43 GMT
#9186
Do you have a SSD? Some have had stutter problems when watching replays.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 10:16:57
August 05 2011 10:16 GMT
#9187
On August 05 2011 18:43 nihlon wrote:
Do you have a SSD? Some have had stutter problems when watching replays.


Nope I'm using an HDD. I regularly defrag it and keep my files clean and organized (not sure if that helps, but I try to)

It happened with my old (5750 HD) too, so I don't think it's due to GPU.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 05 2011 10:23 GMT
#9188
On August 05 2011 17:29 shadowy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Guys,
made my mind about the video card - will be a GTX580. However I am thorn between those two:

EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Car

vs

ZOTAC ZT-50101-10P GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Pretty much the same money wise..couldn't find any additional info to help decide between those two. Or maybe there is a better choice I missed. Any advice will be greatly apreciated. Thanks!


Both are identical except for post sale support and warranty. EVGA offers lifetime warranty and superior support. Not to mention the card is less expensive.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 05 2011 10:33 GMT
#9189
And you get a free HDTV USB tuner if that strikes your fancy.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 13:06:03
August 05 2011 12:08 GMT
#9190
On August 05 2011 02:05 skyR wrote:

Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 21:14 ataryens wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
800$ CAD MAX (can go upto 900 with SSD, hopefully around 750 without ssd)
Looking at the Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 64GB at 114$

What is your resolution?
1920 x 1080

What are you using it for?
50% gaming, 50% surfing/movies/office

What is your upgrade cycle?
As long as I can get

When do you plan on building it?
This weeks NCIX deals (unless there arnt any good deals)

Do you plan on overclocking?
if budget allows i5-2500k (but I think ill have to go with a 2400 or 2300)

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
ncix or any other good site.

Other info: I want at least an H67 mobo for USB3 and SATA3 (will add SSD now or later)


You're overestimating how expensive components are...

Here's a configuration with a 2500k and an SSD for $817 before mail in rebates that's capable of playing current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings at 1080p.

Core i5 2500k @ $208 (pricematch with http://www.hltechnology.com/one_prod.php?pid=039880 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57962

Gigabyte Z68 D2H @ $110 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD5085 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61004

GSkill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $45
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57950&promoid=1307

Mushkin 2x4GB @ $45 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1307

XFX Radeon HD6870 @ $165 ($145 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62756&promoid=1307

XFX Core Edition Pro 450 @ $47 ($37 after mail in reabte) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2804 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59614

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $49 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/230752/RC-912-KKN1/COOLERMASTER/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $40 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC9911 )
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=58402

DVD Burner @ $19
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60344&promoid=1307

Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $23 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=1946101809P )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337

Crucial M4 @ $111 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11230DR4284 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60444



Thank you very much,
1-----There is a shell shocker deal on newegg for Rosewill Green Series RG700-S12 700W with +12V@54A and 82% efficiency for 65$, do you think its a good deal since I want to use this case/power supply in future builds?
2----I had been looking at the 560 Ti's before you posted that build, and the 6870 seems to be too good at that price, but would it be the first bottle neck in the system 2 years from now?
3----I know I mentioned the Crucial M4 in my last post but if there are any better/price performance cards of that size, please enlighten me.
4----I will also be purchasing a monitor, I have been told that its better to go in person to purchase, but futureshop/best buy seem to be fucking overpriced. whats your advice?

EDIT:
5----Is this what I need to connect it to the router?
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=46255&vpn=C6PATCH50BK&manufacture=Startech.com Ltd

6----The shipping comes to 29$
If i add this:http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=62412&vpn=N8400GS-MD512H&manufacture=MSI%2FMicroStar&promoid=1307
I get 5$ shipping on the entire order, so would the card be worth 6$ (maybe for a HTPC or just trouble shooting?)

7-----Do you recommend insurance for shipping?

8---- This is my first assembly, do I need anything else? Paste? bays? (I know the case has a bay for the SSD) crazy screw drivers?
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
August 05 2011 12:21 GMT
#9191
When people say that you should go and look at monitors in person they don't usually mean you have to buy it there. You go to check what screen you like and then you can order it from anywhere it's possible.
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
August 05 2011 12:27 GMT
#9192
On August 05 2011 21:21 nam nam wrote:
When people say that you should go and look at monitors in person they don't usually mean you have to buy it there. You go to check what screen you like and then you can order it from anywhere it's possible.


But if NCIX doesnt ahve it (which is very possible) I have to buy it from somewhere else and pay alot of shipping no?
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 12:34:37
August 05 2011 12:30 GMT
#9193
Yeah but you can go at it the other way around. Look at what monitors you think are interesting at NCIX and then look up stores that have them. Obviously I don't know where you live so I can't say how easy it is to find all models so that you have to decide for youself.

Otherwise you can just trust reviews and go by that (or potentially pay more in stores). It depends on how picky you are. Also some online stores I buy from have free shipping over a certain cost, usually below the cost of a monitor.
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
August 05 2011 12:41 GMT
#9194
ya ok, thx. any help on the other question?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 05 2011 13:53 GMT
#9195
$65 isn't a great price for a Rosewill Green 700. Antec Earthwatts 650 and Antec High Current Gamer 620 are both higher quality units, provide similar amount of power, and can be had for less or at the same price. If you want to deal with mail in rebates, there's the XFX Core Edition 650 as well. I guess you figured this out already.

The bottleneck depends on what you are doing but for gaming, yes it will most likely be the graphics card.

Yes, you need an ethernet cable for the router but shouldn't you already have one?

If you want to pay $6 for a graphics card that may or may not see a use in the future than go ahead. I don't see much use for it when most HTPCs will be using Llano or Sandybridge. You're also getting a Z68 board so it's not going to be that helpful in troubleshooting, only purposes it would serve is for discovering a faulty PCI-E x16 slot or having multiple DOA cards.

Whether you pay for shipping insurance or not is your decision. Either pay 1.5% for a piece of mind or roll a dice and hopefully the courier doesn't accidently screw up. I don't pay for it if that's what you're wondering but I wouldn't recommend against it.

All you need is a phillips screwdriver. You may need to purchase / get an additional SATA cable since some lower end motherboards only provide two of these. Everything else is included with the components.

Futureshop and Bestbuy also offers pricematching so it's not like you can't buy something from them.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
August 05 2011 14:24 GMT
#9196
epikAnglory, skyR

You guys are awesome. Thank you so much

*bow*
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
ataryens
Profile Joined June 2010
Iran213 Posts
August 05 2011 14:35 GMT
#9197
Thank you very much SkyR, I will be going with the GPU and PSU in your build recommendation, and I dont have a ethernet cable long enough.
Thank you for all your help, if you ever need a couch (i dont live in the city tho) or a beer in montreal, let me know.
Asil
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada18 Posts
August 05 2011 15:17 GMT
#9198
What is your budget?

$800-$1000

What is your resolution?

No idea, no idea how to check.

What are you using it for?

Purely gaming, sc2/d3 on decent settings/DotA2.

What is your upgrade cycle?

3-4 years

When do you plan on building it?

<month

Do you plan on overclocking?

Not if I can get by without it.

Do you need an Operating System?

No.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Not if I can do what I want without them.

Where are you buying your parts from?

Newegg.ca
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 05 2011 15:22 GMT
#9199
On August 05 2011 19:16 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 18:43 nihlon wrote:
Do you have a SSD? Some have had stutter problems when watching replays.


Nope I'm using an HDD. I regularly defrag it and keep my files clean and organized (not sure if that helps, but I try to)

It happened with my old (5750 HD) too, so I don't think it's due to GPU.


Yeah, watching replays in faster time means that the CPU needs to compute more game action per second. SC2 is already enough of a CPU-intensive game to begin with. Your CPU can't keep up at the faster speeds. I'm guessing if it's an AMD quad core at 2.2 GHz it's a Phenom? Those are super slow compared to a current (Intel) dual core (with hyperthreading):

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/23?vs=289

Note the big difference in games.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 16:29:53
August 05 2011 16:13 GMT
#9200
On August 06 2011 00:17 Asil wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?

$800-$1000

What is your resolution?

No idea, no idea how to check.

What are you using it for?

Purely gaming, sc2/d3 on decent settings/DotA2.

What is your upgrade cycle?

3-4 years

When do you plan on building it?

<month

Do you plan on overclocking?

Not if I can get by without it.

Do you need an Operating System?

No.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Not if I can do what I want without them.

Where are you buying your parts from?

Newegg.ca


Configuration capable of playing current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings at 1080p for $742 before mail in rebates. If you want to use more of your budget, alternatives are listed in spoilers, picking those instead would total to $864. There's not much you can do with such a large budget if you don't need an operating system and you don't want to overclock.

If you want to purchase from Newegg instead of a Canadian retailer than just add ~$100 to the total.

Since low-end motherboards usually only include two SATA cables, you're also need a SATA cable for the SSD if you don't have a spare one lying around somewhere: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=15994&promoid=1307



Core i5 2400 @ $181 (pricematch with http://www.vastech.ca/intel-core-i5-2400-sandy-bridge-3-1ghz-cpu.html )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57964

Gigabyte H67M D2 @ $85
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59419&promoid=1307

XFX Radeon HD6870 @ $165 ($145 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62756&promoid=1307
+ Show Spoiler +
Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti @ $226 ($196 after mail in rebate) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD9294 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58366

Note that the 6870 is already more than capable of Starcraft II on max settings. Diablo III and Dota 2 won't be all that different from the requirements of Starcraft II.

Mushkin 2x4GB @ $45 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1307

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $40 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC9911 )
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=58402

Crucial M4 64GB @ $111 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11230DR4284 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60444

DVD Burner @ $19
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60344&promoid=1307

XFX Core Edition Pro 450 @ $47 ($37 after mail in reabte) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2804 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59614

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $49 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/230752/RC-912-KKN1/COOLERMASTER/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583
+ Show Spoiler +
Fractal Design Define R3 @ $110 ($10 gift card included)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=53537&promoid=1307
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