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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 23:09:46
August 02 2011 23:08 GMT
#9061
@1ManArmy:

Well, the i5-2500k is for overclocking. It's not that difficult and there are definitely benefits, but that would require spending extra on the motherboard and for a different cooler as well. For your usage, it's probably unnecessary anyway. i5-2400 is already very good.

Core i5-2400 - €160
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/productDetail.html?artno=HR5I01

AsRock H61M-VS - €47
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/productDetail.html?artno=GRIR18

Mushkin 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - €40
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/productDetail.html?artno=IDIFU3J4

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - €45
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/productDetail.html?artno=AEBU11

Sapphire HD 6770 - €100
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/productDetail.html?artno=JCXSWE

Lite-On CD / DVD-RW - €19
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/productDetail.html?artno=CEBL5Q

Corsair CX430 V2 - €40
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/productDetail.html?&artno=TN4V67

Cooler Master Elite 370 - €38
http://www.alternate.nl/html/pcbuilder/productDetail.html?artno=TQXM86


If you wanted, you could get a motherboard with USB3 support or more ports, a different case, a better graphics card (but that one will easily run SC2 on ultra at lower resolutions like you're using), and so on. But this is about a good price point for what you're doing.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
August 02 2011 23:40 GMT
#9062
K, going to try again- most things are the same:

Budget

+/- 1000 I'd like to keep the desktop around that price as by the time I add the monitor it'll be 1150-1200.

Resolution:

Probably this: 1920x1080
Just hope my BW doesn't get messed up because of widescreen (end up with a tiny screen centred with a black border.)

Use:
Gaming- doubt I'll stream and not really into photoshopping. I sometimes do a bit of video editing however. Nothing extensive though- 10 minute shorts. I'd really like to be playing 4v4's in SC2 with no fear of lagging as I'm used to LAN parties from BW.

Upgrade Cycle:
Rather not replace it for awhile- but I also don't tend to buy that many new games that are graphically demanding- SC2 is the first new game in awhile. Run a bit of LoL, Minecraft and the occasional MMO on a whim.

Build Time:
Aug 15 in or around.

Overclock- Probably not. Maybe sometime later.

Operating System- yes, need one

Second GPU- no

Buying parts from:
NCIX- turns out they're based in Vancouver and therefore really close
I don't really get how to do this build stuff.
I was looking at this default:
http://pc.ncix.com/ncixpc_new/ncixpc.cfm?uuid=6598E4B9-8953-471A-B8741AE132873709-3586065

But going i5 2400 because it's only $9 more? But I'm really new to this stuff.

My main goal is to play BW and SC2 with no frustrations of lag and overheating, but error a bit on the overkill side as I've fought too long with underpowered and overheating laptops.

Thanks for the help.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
August 02 2011 23:56 GMT
#9063
myrmidon,u recommended a cooler for 1manarmy yet u didnt mention one in the build for me. is that because of 6770 vs fermi? will i be ok?

another thing i wanted to say - 5670 pretty much ran sc2 on high yet you guys keep listing 5770 for low settings
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 02 2011 23:59 GMT
#9064
NCIX system configurator is not that good. It's better to just pick parts on the normal web store, and pick the $50 assembly option (if you want them to build it for you).

NCIX sales change weekly on Wednesday, so no use linking parts until the week you're ordering.

On that budget, if you want no issues in 4v4, you may as well get a i5-2500k and leave the option open of overclocking that. It's not really necessary, but that budget also allows for more than the minimum case. You should be able to find something with good airflow and reasonable anti-dust measures.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 00:17:30
August 03 2011 00:01 GMT
#9065
@Falling

The core i5 2400 is limited to a 400MHz overclock. If you want to overclock, you need a core i5 2500k.

Here's an overclockable configuration for $797 before mail in rebates capable of playing the majority of current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings at 1080p.

If you want it assembled than you can pay $50: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=7842


Core i5 2500k @ $208 (pricematch with http://www.hltechnology.com/one_prod.php?pid=039880 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57962

Gigabyte Z68 D2H @ $110 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD5085 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61004

GSkill 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $45 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD8579 )
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57950

XFX Radeon HD6870 @ $165 ($145 after mail in rebate)
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=62756&promoid=1310

XFX Core Edition Pro 450 @ $47 ($37 after mail in reabte) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2804 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59614

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $49 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/230752/RC-912-KKN1/COOLERMASTER/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $40 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC9911 )
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=58402

DVD Burner @ $16
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60344&promoid=1310

Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $23 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=1946101809P )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $94 (pricematch with http://bestdirect.ca/products/222137/GFC-00599/MICROSOFT/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=45271


Components with promoid=1310 have their sale pricing end tomorrow so add them to your cart if you're not purchasing yet to retain pricing but this is basically what you're looking at. Some of these components will have their pricing change by the time you purchase so you're going to be asking again during the week of your purchase.

Note that the 6870 is overkill for the games you play but your budget is sort of gigantic.



@supaplex

A heatsink was never recommended for 1manaarmy. The 5770 is capable of playing Starcraft II on high, no one said otherwise.

The heatsink that he mentioned getting would be for overclocking the processor. It has nothing to do with the graphics card. An aftermarket graphics card heatsink is never recommended these days because the ones that come equipped with the card are better than most aftermarket solutions you find available.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
August 03 2011 00:23 GMT
#9066
Woah, thanks a lot. A question with pricematch- how exactly does one go about doing that? I suppose I'd have to show them the other store's price somehow? (Sorry, really newbie at this stuff.)
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 00:26:19
August 03 2011 00:25 GMT
#9067
This depends whether you are purchasing online or in store.

If you are purchasing in-store than you just print out the page or copy the URL and have the store clerk do their thing. There's also the in-store price match button found on the component's page.

If you are purchasing online than there is a button at the bottom of your shoppnig cart that is entitled "Start Price Match." You click that and provide the URL and the competitor's price of the component. Someone on the other end has to verify this so your pricematch / order isn't processed instantly. So don't buy on a Friday or the weekend unless you want to wait until Monday / Tuesday.
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
August 03 2011 00:32 GMT
#9068
Lol, cooler master elite is not actually a cooler! Do you guys work somewhere making money doing this? Your configs definitely save enough for someone to pay for it.
Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
August 03 2011 00:52 GMT
#9069
@1Manarmy:
Pretty much the same as Myrmidon only Azerty is cheaper.

Here the direct link to the build

Here another build if you want to overclock, its 23 euro's over your budget though.

You could allso get an extra 120mm case fan to put in the front of that case, which will increase the airflow by quite a bit.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 03 2011 06:09 GMT
#9070
is the difference in the 6850 and 6870 that big? is it worth the extra money?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 03 2011 06:14 GMT
#9071
Depends on game and resolution. Depends on pricing. Just look at benchmarks and decide yourself.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 06:51:20
August 03 2011 06:43 GMT
#9072
right now on Newegg, an XFX 6870 and 6850 are only $10 apart. This is for SC2 and 1920 x 1200. i tried finding benchmarks for sc2 but couldnt find any.


ALSO: is overclocking the GPU worth it? is there really a big boost in performance?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 06:55:02
August 03 2011 06:51 GMT
#9073
Did you really try? -.-

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/amds-radeon-6870-6850-renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market/10
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/37286-amd-radeon-hd-6870-hd-6850-review-21.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/305-starcraft2-performance/page7.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/radeon-hd6870-hd6850-crossfirex_9.html#sect0
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776-14.html
and there's more.

Answer is no.

There is no extra cost involved in overclocking a GPU so whether it's worth it or not is not a question.
genocist
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4 Posts
August 03 2011 09:52 GMT
#9074
Hey, so I'm trying to spend as little as possible, but still being able to run SC2 smoothly on high graphics/streaming and all the sorts. Do you guys think this looks good:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236114
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166041
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121435
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.679860

?
Thanks in advance =D
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the vilian."
ket-
Profile Joined April 2010
97 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 12:34:59
August 03 2011 12:12 GMT
#9075
Hello!

I just installed my new parts which include a SSD on which I've just installed the basics (Windows7, motherboard drivers, graphic card drivers). Problem : one of my 2 HDDs now doesn't appear in Computer anymore, it's most likely jumper related and I've been looking for a solution here and on google but I must be typing the wrong search words as I'm sure there are thousands of explanations but I can't find one that fits my case perfectly.

I previously had one on slave, one on master, can't remember which one was the one with boot partition - maybe the Master if there's any logic in it? I did it a loooong time ago (back when I loved to toy with computers - still do but just haven't done it in years) so I've forgotten quite a lot about how it all works.

I'm gonna be googling stuff but I'll refresh this thread every now & then to see if someone can come up with a good explanation. Right now my SSD is already the new boot, ideally I'd need to transfer all my settings and stuff from the previous partition but I'm not sure how to do that so I'll guess I'll just have to accept it and remake everything hehe.

[Edit] In case it helps (seeing "System" in front of the HD is making me wonder if I fucked up the installation?), here's a screenshot of what my drives look like in the new boot. The "Yatta" drive is the one I'm missing when I click on computer, but it's apparently there still somewhere. Jumper problem?

[Edit2] Nevermind, sorted, just needed to assign a letter. Never had that before!
HiyA is bestest.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
August 03 2011 16:03 GMT
#9076
I plan on overclocking an i5 2500k to around 4.5 GHz and powering a HD 6870.

I know a 530W PSU will handle it but will a 430W PSU do it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 03 2011 16:16 GMT
#9077
Yeah, the Rosewill Green Series 430W should be up for the task. It's a good deal at $30.

Compared to the CX430 V2, it has a much larger +12V capacity and has 6 molex connectors rather than 3. You're going to have to use a molex -> PCIe adapter for the HD 6870, so it's handy to have a few of those left. Performance is definitely not as good as the CX430 V2, but it should definitely be in spec, and you can't really have it all at that price.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 16:34:19
August 03 2011 16:20 GMT
#9078
On August 03 2011 18:52 genocist wrote:
Hey, so I'm trying to spend as little as possible, but still being able to run SC2 smoothly on high graphics/streaming and all the sorts. Do you guys think this looks good:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236114
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166041
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121435
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.679860

?
Thanks in advance =D


You have two hard drives and two wireless network adapters? It would be helpful if you post product names and prices so people don't have to keep clicking, but whatever.

Anyway, the key point to make here is that you can't stream out SC2 smoothly with a dual core. You're either going to have to take a hit to SC2 performance and settle for a lower-quality stream by getting a Phenom II X4 for the same price (not recommended) or step up to a Core i5.

edit: so for streaming, at that resolution...

Core i5-2400 - $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

AsRock H61M-VS - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

Sapphire HD 5670 512MB GDDR5 - $70, $60 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102871

Team Elite 2 x 2GB DDR3 - $26
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313072

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

LG CD / DVD-RW - $19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236

Rosewill Green Series 430W - $30 after promo code
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202

TP-Link 802.11b/g/n (single antenna) USB adapter - $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704045

Hanns-G 19" 1440x900 - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254023


No case, to save money. Borrow or scavenge an optical drive if you want to save more money. HD 5670 is enough for high settings on 1440x900 definitely.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 16:31:06
August 03 2011 16:30 GMT
#9079
On August 03 2011 18:52 genocist wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey, so I'm trying to spend as little as possible, but still being able to run SC2 smoothly on high graphics/streaming and all the sorts. Do you guys think this looks good:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236114
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166041
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121435
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.679860

?
Thanks in advance =D


Adding onto what Myrmidon said:

You're getting a new 19" monitor with a 1440x900 resolution. A Radeon HD5670 for $70 is capable of playing Starcraft II smoothly on high at such a small resolution: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125360

Rosewill Green 430 for $30 would be a better choice atm: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 16:36:16
August 03 2011 16:34 GMT
#9080
My slow edit got ninja'd!

edit: I think 512MB DDR5 is better than 1GB DDR3 in general. It's the memory interface throughput that's generally more important. At that low resolution and without AA/AF, 512MB should be sufficient for most games anyway. Turn down textures a notch if necessary.
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