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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
G.Skill any good? In the process of looking up reviews G.SKILL Ripjaws Series or OCZ 4GB Kit EDIT: Also, found someone selling a new, unused MSI motherboard MSI P55-CD53 for 90 flat, it looks alright, what do you guys think? Saving from tax is good in my books. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14899 Posts
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
Newegg has a 24-hour sale going on. Antec TruePower 650w for $90 after promo code then $70 after MIR. G-Skill Phoenix SSD 60gb for $150 after promo code OCZ Platinum 2x2gb 1333mhz for $99 after promo code and $89 after MIR | ||
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Bx_Kaotik
United States12 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On August 05 2010 07:14 Bx_Kaotik wrote: Hey i just finally build my new pc and its running very smoothly. Since this my first pc coming from a mac im afraid of viruses. What r u guys opinion on Norton 360 4.0? i heard it may make my computer slower. anyone have experience with this product or know of better solution? ? You have a router use that firewall If you're running windows 7 use the default firewall and download Microsoft security essentials. Frankly most of those crap like norton create more holes then it fixes. Just don't give away your credit card information in an email or something stupid and you should be fine. When you give away any information make sure to check the url. Don't run shit that you don't know what it is etc. | ||
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Finality
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Recently the fan on my Geforce 8400 GS has been revving up and down over and over, so it sounded like it was starting to fail. Using Speedfan, it showed that it was running over 80C even when no applications were open, so I decided to get a replacement for it. I got a Galaxy Geforce 9500GT. (It says 3x performance increase over comparable 8 series, so I'm figuring it will be 3x better than crap, and was actually cheaper then just re-buying my 8400 GS, since it was on sale.) When I looked on the back of the box, it said it needs 350W or Greater power supply, and 18A or more on 12V (What does this mean?). My current PSU is just the one that my computer came with: http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=T5088 I opened my computer and it says it was a 280W, so that isn't enough and I want to replace it, but am just looking for a low budget psu, just to help me hold off until I have much more money to get a decent psu. I'm looking at these 2 psu, but I have a few questions: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4974033&CatId=1078 It says 400W, but if it isn't running at full efficiency does that mean it will go below 350W sometimes? Also it says 20A at 12V rating, is this enough for not just my video card but everything else in my computer? (I have only what the emachines link has, except 1g extra ram.) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2227022&CatId=1079 This one is both higher in W and has 32A for the 12V rating, but do I need to get this over the first one? The less money I can spend on the temporary PSU the faster I can save up to get a good one, and I'm not looking to be running anything special other than 1 video card. I really do not mind running sc2 on the lowest settings, so if these psu's will run sc2 decently with my video card, that would be great. If you want to suggest me a different psu, it would be preferable to show me one I can get at a frys or a tiger direct/compusa, since I live fairly close to both of those. Help is appreciated, and thank you in advance. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
$30 Coolermaster 400w +12v@23A http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3441837&CatId=106 $35 Cooler Master 460w +12v@26A I don't like non-single rail PSUs cutting close to the suggested wattage so I'd get the 460w to be super safe. | ||
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SourCheeks
United States23 Posts
I'm looking for advice on any blatant problems or anything I should be aware of based on the parts I've chosen, as well as some opinions on whether I'm getting the best value out of my money. Thanks in advance! CPU: Core i5-760 $209.99 MOBO: ASUS P7P55D-E PRO $179.99 RAM: G.SKILL ECO 4GB 2 DDR3 1600 $104.99 HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB $69.99 PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W $109.99 GPU: SAPPHIRE 100282-3SR Radeon HD 5850 $284.99 DVD: LITE-ON Black 24X DVD Writer $25.99 Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP $89.98 HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 RR-B10-212P-G1 $49.99 TOTAL: $1110.90 I'm also toying with the idea of getting a SSD. But I'm hearing conflicting opinions on whether it's worth it at this time. SSD: Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G2R5 80GB $219.00 Planning to place my order (via newegg mainly) in a week or so. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185142 Scythe Mugen $35 + 7.50 shipping http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103057&Tpk=hyper n 520 Hyper n520 <- I'd get this at that price $40 + 3 shipping _______________________ Are you planning on crossfiring a 2nd 5850 later on? You said you don't plan on changing anything within the next 4 years so I assume not. Thus you don't need a motherboard with SLI/Crossfire capabilities and save some money. That means you also don't need as big a power supply. You would need a generous 600w at most if you're going to be overclocking. Cheapest, good-quality, modular PSU around 600w that wasn't the Antec BP550 or a Seasonic 520 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.454705 XFX 650w modular combo'd with a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for $25 combo off $150 | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On August 05 2010 16:54 Dubious wrote: I'm looking at these 2 psu, but I have a few questions: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4974033&CatId=1078 It says 400W, but if it isn't running at full efficiency does that mean it will go below 350W sometimes? Also it says 20A at 12V rating, is this enough for not just my video card but everything else in my computer? (I have only what the emachines link has, except 1g extra ram.) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2227022&CatId=1079 This one is both higher in W and has 32A for the 12V rating, but do I need to get this over the first one? The less money I can spend on the temporary PSU the faster I can save up to get a good one, and I'm not looking to be running anything special other than 1 video card. I really do not mind running sc2 on the lowest settings, so if these psu's will run sc2 decently with my video card, that would be great. If you want to suggest me a different psu, it would be preferable to show me one I can get at a frys or a tiger direct/compusa, since I live fairly close to both of those. Help is appreciated, and thank you in advance. Efficiency is in the AC/DC conversion. The efficiency affects the amounts of watts you draw from the wall, but the output is the capacity of the unit itself. I would be more comfortable recommending a Corsair PSU tbh. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008&cm_re=corsair_psu-_-17-139-008-_-Product While I would expect the majority of tier1 brands and re-badges to be compliant in their testing (capacity rated at 50C's), I have my doubts about the cheaper/no-names. Personally I would spend the additional $30 and get a 550VX, so you will be able to get a proper mid-range GPU, but I would do that only after you've replaced the eMachine case. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
New 48 hour sale on Newegg that's different from their 24 hour yesterday. Quite a lot of good deals in there. (aka damnit I can't return and buy T_T) | ||
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Pure.Calm
United Kingdom196 Posts
I’ve just recently posted about upgrading my computer (thanks a lot to Myrmidon) but by chance I may be able to acquire a whole new computer. At the moment I am not 100% sure upgrading is my best option as I’m pretty sure it’l be pretty large performance enhancement by buying a new computer. But before I make a final decision I was wandering if you guys could answer some questions and I guess “dispel” or confirm various rumours I have heard regarding computer performance and how it is affected though usage. General questions about the workings of a computer which i think will help me decide if upgrading or a new build is for me + Show Spoiler + Firstly I was wandering if the performance of the computer in terms of speed and longevity of components is effected by the memory usage on the hard drive? On my current computer (store bought and family, if I was to buy a new one it would be only mine and built myself) I had no idea about such things and just saved everything on the “:/C drive” to such an extent that it has been filled and I keep getting messages asking me to delete files to improve performance. I don’t know weither this makes a difference to its performance or but my friends and family seem convinced it’s the singular largest problem with computers (Im pretty sure none of them have any idea why this is and when I ask them why their response is “oh yeah man, that’s just common knowledge”) This brings me somewhat to my second question. If the answer to the above is “yes”, would it make any difference to the performance if I was to save files on the “:/D drive” , with the result of an empty “:/C Drive” and would it effect the speed of programs opening ect? Thirdly, are operating systems reusable? If I buy Windows 7 and install it on my new computer will I be able to “upgrade” my laptop with it as well or is it a one use kind of thing? And what the general consensus is on the best operating system for longevity, performance and price I was also wandering if I would need to buy a new copy of SC2 to install on my new computer or if I will be able to use the same disc (and battle.net account ect?) that I used to install it on my current computer? If not which part of my current computer would I have to keep as a part of my next build so that I could play it? Do different components have different life spans? For instance would I buy piece “x” would I “NEED” to replace it after Y years? Also for this matter can the performance of components drop with age? And does leaving the computer on for extended periods of time damage things/ harm components? I would generally have my computer on at least 5 hours a day (not playing all the time, my current computer can take ages to shut down or turn off so it is generally left on standby) and can reach like 12 hours a day on the weekends easily. If I was to build my own computer, what is the general consensus on how to protect parts from ESC? Il almost defiantly get one of those wristbands, but I’ve heard lots of things like build on wood or an antistatic mat, wet your hair, build it barefoot, don’t touch anything metal (use the sides of the boards when handling) and keep packaged until you need that specific piece. All of these sound reasonable (perhaps apart from the wet hair thing). Is there anything else you can recommend? As this would be my first time building a computer I absolutely do not want to take any risks whatsoever regarding ESC. Im also curious as to weither or not i would need a sound card? I never see them mentioned in these threads so i assume they are in the motherboard or something but i would like to have sound =P Finally I am somewhat concerned about the ability of various pieces to be able to “work” or fit” together and I would appreciate it if someone could explain how if I look to purchase a HD5850 for explain the prices can vary so wildly and apparently have apparently been build by different companies? I thought it was an “Athlon HD5850” but I can buy a “PowerColor EXDISPLAY PowerColor HD 5830 PCS Edition 1GB GDDR5 825Mhz DVI HDMI Display Port Out PCI-E Graphics Card” for £179.99 or a different HD5850 marketed as “Gigabyte TechnologyGigabyte HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card” for £350 ????? Its this sort of “ambiguity” that scares me in realtion to the performance, compatability and how people rate them. I guess Athlon design it then sell the plans to various companies who then build and sell it marketed under their brand, but nonetheless as someone viewing the “computer part selling buisness” I struggle to see how I can compare one to the other in terms of the quality of the product Copy and pasted questions from the first page to help you help me =) + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? Id like to keep it within £450 but I am willing to spend more if it was to increase the performance, longevity or safety of the build by a reasonable amount that isn’t excessive for my requirements. What is your resolution? My resolution according to http://www.whatismyscreenresolution.com/ and http://www.screenresolution.org/ is 1024 x 768 What are you using it for? Mostly gaming, with Starcraft2 being the most exerting game that I play on it by a significant margin, Id like to play on at least medium settings with a good FPS (I know this is largely subjective, but I currently play with around 11FPS with the lowest possible settings on everything so I think even playing around 30 FPS would be fantastic. The main goal would be to have no noticeable drops in performance (I’ve had to change from Zerg to Protoss because the creep was too demanding). I am however aware that my resolution is significantly lower than I see other people on this site playing with so perhaps a car that would play medium with no problems on a big resolution could even handle ultra on mine? I don’t really know how these things work but If I could play on ultra given my resolution and come within a reasonable amount above my budget I would probably go for that. I do however like to watch streams a lot but I’m not sure weither or not it is my computer or my internet connection which is most important for this but my current computer sometimes just turns itself off when I’m watching streams. Not really sure why but it will just turn of like the power has been cut for no reason. So stability is the main goal in that regard, especially if it prevents me from accidentally damaging my computer by watching a stream it cant handel while I have no way of knowing or preventing it. Two perhaps unusual things i may also require is it to run quietly and id like 2 usb ports at the front (charging iPod and camera) and back (conecting mouse and keyboard). Not willing to pay alot extra for the usb ports and id imagine they are standard but im not sure if this is the kind of thing that is usually "extra" or standard within a case or whatever had the ports on them. What is your upgrade cycle? Probably more towards the longer end of the cycle so id like to use standard components that could possibly be reused in later builds or upgraded with as little trouble as possible. For example I could defiantly see the use in buying a good case as I imagine they are standardised so have a longer lifespan for upgrading? When do you plan on building it? Ideally as soon as possible =) Do you plan on overclocking? At the moment I have absolutely no intention of overclocking, the idea of the build is rather overwhelming by itself at this moment =P I also consider the warranties of various things rather valuable, so id rather not attempt anything that may increase the risk of damage or voiding warranties. Do you need an Operating System? I’m not sure, I think I have an XP disc, but if windows 7 is reusable and offers a markedly increased performance I think its probably worth it? Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Unfortunately I have no idea what any of the above is, so I’m really open to suggestions. Would doing any of those things dramatically increase the difficultly of the build? Where are you buying your parts from? I’m in the UK at the moment, so id really appreciate some recommendations of good reliable places to purchase my parts. Thanks for any help guys Edit: this is really long so i added spoiler tags | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19159 Posts
Firstly I was wandering if the performance of the computer in terms of speed and longevity of components is effected by the memory usage on the hard drive? On my current computer (store bought and family, if I was to buy a new one it would be only mine and built myself) I had no idea about such things and just saved everything on the “:/C drive” to such an extent that it has been filled and I keep getting messages asking me to delete files to improve performance. I don’t know weither this makes a difference to its performance or but my friends and family seem convinced it’s the singular largest problem with computers (Im pretty sure none of them have any idea why this is and when I ask them why their response is “oh yeah man, that’s just common knowledge”) This brings me somewhat to my second question. If the answer to the above is “yes”, would it make any difference to the performance if I was to save files on the “:/D drive” , with the result of an empty “:/C Drive” and would it effect the speed of programs opening ect? Yes. The OS needs to index all the files. Over time (due to copying, deleting, moving, etc...) files can become fragmented. The computer tells you that a file is a file and that's all it is, but when it's stored on your disk it's not all stored in the same place. If you have lots of files and you've never defragged...you'll have worse performance than your computer has potential to give. Also, slower drives will affect speed, regardless of the quality of the rest of your computer. Putting files on different named partitions doesn't always matter, since a single HDD can be split into multiple partitions. Thirdly, are operating systems reusable? If I buy Windows 7 and install it on my new computer will I be able to “upgrade” my laptop with it as well or is it a one use kind of thing? And what the general consensus is on the best operating system for longevity, performance and price I was also wandering if I would need to buy a new copy of SC2 to install on my new computer or if I will be able to use the same disc (and battle.net account ect?) that I used to install it on my current computer? If not which part of my current computer would I have to keep as a part of my next build so that I could play it? Do different components have different life spans? For instance would I buy piece “x” would I “NEED” to replace it after Y years? Also for this matter can the performance of components drop with age? And does leaving the computer on for extended periods of time damage things/ harm components? I would generally have my computer on at least 5 hours a day (not playing all the time, my current computer can take ages to shut down or turn off so it is generally left on standby) and can reach like 12 hours a day on the weekends easily. Strictly speaking no. In a general sense, yes. If you don't clean out your case, and/or have poor cooling (this can also be affected by living in a warm place in general), your hardware WILL fail sooner. Over extended periods of time, constant heating and cooling can cause contacts on the board to develop microfractures. Most of the time, you won't notice much performance hit. Other times...you will. Heat causes all kinds of problems. Most noteably, it's why laptops have such short lifespans and why XBox 360s occasionally exploded.If I was to build my own computer, what is the general consensus on how to protect parts from ESC? Il almost defiantly get one of those wristbands, but I’ve heard lots of things like build on wood or an antistatic mat, wet your hair, build it barefoot, don’t touch anything metal (use the sides of the boards when handling) and keep packaged until you need that specific piece. All of these sound reasonable (perhaps apart from the wet hair thing). Is there anything else you can recommend? As this would be my first time building a computer I absolutely do not want to take any risks whatsoever regarding ESC. Electronic Stability Control is usually only available on cars. From what you're saying, I think you mean static. All that stuff is overkill. All you have to do is touch a piece of metal to discharge before working, and don't work on a carpet.Im also curious as to weither or not i would need a sound card? I never see them mentioned in these threads so i assume they are in the motherboard or something but i would like to have sound =P If you're an audiophile or plan on getting surround sound, you will definitely need a card. Most integrated sound systems are plenty good enough these days (some even support surround sound nowadays). Personally, I didn't bother with one. Finally I am somewhat concerned about the ability of various pieces to be able to “work” or fit” together and I would appreciate it if someone could explain how if I look to purchase a HD5850 for explain the prices can vary so wildly and apparently have apparently been build by different companies? I thought it was an “Athlon HD5850” but I can buy a “PowerColor EXDISPLAY PowerColor HD 5830 PCS Edition 1GB GDDR5 825Mhz DVI HDMI Display Port Out PCI-E Graphics Card” for £179.99 or a different HD5850 marketed as “Gigabyte TechnologyGigabyte HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card” for £350 ????? Its this sort of “ambiguity” that scares me in realtion to the performance, compatability and how people rate them. I guess Athlon design it then sell the plans to various companies who then build and sell it marketed under their brand, but nonetheless as someone viewing the “computer part selling buisness” I struggle to see how I can compare one to the other in terms of the quality of the product As for your other spoiler block, I can't really help you there. I'm in the US, so I don't know that much about parting in UK. As for SLI/CrossFire, they are both a way of connecting 2 video cards to allow them to share processing. This means you will be buying two of the same video card. Usually, you'll need to get a better motherboard to support full capabilites (ie: 2x16 slots) of SLI/CrossFire, which is also more expensive. Also, my new computer (need monitors before I can use my new card T.T) uses a motherboard with an integrated Radeon HD 4250 video chipset, and I'm running SC2 with most things Medium, a couple on Ultra, and a couple on Low at an average of around 60 FPS. Getting 11 FPS is hard even on basic builds these days. Sounds like you have a REALLY old computer. | ||
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yrba1
United States325 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
By the way these graphs are so beautiful http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480-3-way-sli-crossfire,2622-7.html | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
Athlon II x3 435 2.9ghz processor http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176043 £60 Asus M4A785TD-V EVO 785G Socket Motherboard http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169532 £69 MSI HD 5770 1gb GDDR5 Graphics Card http://www.ebuyer.com/product/189239 £120 Coolermaster Elite 330 Case with 460w eXtreme Power PSU http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135101 £58 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1tb 32mb Cache 7200rpm Hard Drive http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804 £48 Corsair 2x2gb DDR3 1333Mhz Cas 9 1.5v http://www.ebuyer.com/product/178943 £79 Cart total inc vat: £432.93 This should be getting you Ultra EZ at 1024x768. The processor I picked has a chance of "unlocking" its potential to 4 cores and/or a Phenom II processor with 6mb L3 cache. This is chance though, it's not guaranteed. If this does happen though, you profit about £55 :X You can get a 500gb hard drive if you feel 1tb is excessive, and save about £10. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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