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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 17:23:34
August 06 2010 15:58 GMT
#561
Quick question, as I am definitely snatching the i5 750/motherboard to upgrade my computer, would i HAVE to reformat upon installation? Or could I driver cleaner all my shit off, and install the new hardware?
Foooky
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia205 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 16:05:36
August 06 2010 16:04 GMT
#562
Thanks for the quick responses, I got home and checked that my GTS250 that I had recently bought requires 450 watts and my PSU provides 420 watts.

I will be going to the computer store tomorrow after I play sc2 for 1-3 hours and hopefully nothing wrong happens within this time. What I would really like to know is:

I have a GA-P35-DS3L S-series Ultra durable 2 motherboard by gigabyte - does this impose any restrictions on what PSU I can get? And what are the exact risks of running my PSU at full capacity in the short term - or are the risks borne in the long term?

Add: Another question - I looked up installing a PSU and it seems to have alot of plugs which are things I could see myself messing up. Is it as difficult as it looks and is it worth getting somebody else to install it for me for 20 dollars?
1312020
Profile Joined March 2009
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 16:47:20
August 06 2010 16:19 GMT
#563
Thanks for the responses about the motherboards, especially that the mobo isn't really compatible with SLI as much as I thought. Instead I think I'll go with the mobo in this combo. My question now comes with the PSU in that combo. I don't see Rosewill on the list of reputable or reliable brands in the OP, which kind of worries me. Additionally, although it says it's SLI capable, it looks like it only has 2 x6 connectors, whereas a GTX 470 takes up both of those. I was wondering if there was any way I could connect a second one to that PSU in the future. Because if I don't find a decent deal on a PSU pretty soon I'll probably just get a cheap 600-650 watt one and upgrade later.

Also does the dual channel in a triple channel mobo hold true for all mobos? As in, could I stick 4 gigs of dual channel DDR3 RAM in this mobo?
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 16:55:27
August 06 2010 16:53 GMT
#564
Spend the extra money and buy a good PSU. I don't understand why people skimp on the most important component in the system. If it dies/fails, everything dies with it. You can upgrade RAM/GPU/mobo/anything on a later date. But if your PSU is garbage, you risk everything.

Yes you can stick with just 2x2 for dual channel until you get another stick - there shouldn't really be any performance loss.

To add insult to injury, I like how the Rosewill includes "40degrees C" in the product line. If a product has to blatantly advertise that it is rated for 40C operation, it is bound to raise suspicion, in a bad way. You don't see Corsair or Seasonic doing that do you?
With no power comes no responsibility?
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 17:14:37
August 06 2010 17:13 GMT
#565
Newegg Shell Shocker 45% off an MSI H55 Socket 1156 Mobo, 16x/0x or 8x/8x PCI-E Express 2.0 Crossfire ready Micro ATX Mobo

$70 with $10 MIR = $60

http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-13-130-264-_-08062010

Until 1PM PST.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 06 2010 17:14 GMT
#566
On August 06 2010 21:21 haduken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2010 13:36 Disregard wrote:
Well this sucks, my uni offers Windows 7 Pro UPGRADE for $23 including shipping(MSDNAA). But I have the damned 32-bit Vista Home Prem... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! There goes my chances of getting a cheap upgrade.


I have the same upgrade and all I did was reformat the hard drive and then proceed to installation. I had the Vista Ultimate before that, then I used the same disk and installed on a brand new SSD. So your previous version of windows is not important. However, your key is tied to one computer FYI.


Thanks! Renewed my hopes. :D
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 06 2010 17:17 GMT
#567
On August 06 2010 22:43 R04R wrote:
@ Pure.Calm
This is something I wrote awhile ago when I was talking about how Phenom II x2 555 BE dual-core processors could be unlocked to quad-core processors. The Athlon II x3 435 follows a similar manufacturing process.

The chance of unlocking the cores are entirely how the chip has been manufactured. The 555 BEs originally started as 955s, but if the 955s had faulty cores they would be turned into 555s to make up the loss. However, if that was the only way 555s were manufactured there obviously wouldn't be enough 555s in the market. There are also some 955s that are perfectly fine but are turned into 555s. That's a risk you take when you attempt to unlock a 555.

AMD doesn't manufacture the 555 chip because that would require a completely different assembly line, so they just disable cores on the 955.


This is wrong. They do not disable perfectly fine AMD Phenom II X4 955s. If you are able to unlock a core and have it be stable, the core was disabled for a different reason. Silicon die production isn't perfect so some cores end up leaking more power than AMD thinks is reasonable. Those cores are then disabled and marketed as lower core CPUs.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
1312020
Profile Joined March 2009
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 17:19:06
August 06 2010 17:18 GMT
#568
@Mav451
Yeah, the thing I'm looking to do most is avoid skimping on the PSU, which is why I ask these questions. I'd seen Rosewill recommended before, but I was wary of it because it's not one of the big name brands. I don't have the money for a second GPU yet anyways, so I'll just get a nice reputable 650W one and when I eventually have the money for a second 470, I'll grab a nice fat 950/1000W Corsair or something. Thanks for the fast response.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
August 06 2010 17:18 GMT
#569
Can someone reccomend me a good motherboard and power supplie from http://www.newegg.com/ for a gaming computer with

CPU: Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz

GPU: GeForce GTX 460 1GB DDR5 256-bit

RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz

And any advice on the parts I have if they are good or not
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
August 06 2010 17:30 GMT
#570
On August 07 2010 02:18 PaD wrote:
Can someone reccomend me a good motherboard and power supplie from http://www.newegg.com/ for a gaming computer with

CPU: Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz

GPU: GeForce GTX 460 1GB DDR5 256-bit

RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz

And any advice on the parts I have if they are good or not

I have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005 and I really think it's nice. Not even that expensive
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
August 06 2010 17:31 GMT
#571
What features do you want? usb 3.0? do you plan to overclock? do you have a color preference? are you ever going to SLI? If you're going to SLI you shouldn't go LGA1156 anyways, but I digress

Solid motherboard with usb 3.0 and sata 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412

as for psu, some people swear by corsair/seasonic, I've had no problems using ocz modxstream
600 W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017&cm_re=ocz_modxstream-_-17-341-017-_-Product

500 W, but after shipping/rebate it's almost the same price as the 600 W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016&cm_re=ocz_modxstream-_-17-341-016-_-Product
Echo515
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada105 Posts
August 06 2010 17:42 GMT
#572
Hey, I'm wondering if I should get this laptop:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146778

Do you guys think that I should get it and what settings do you think it would play SC2 on?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 06 2010 17:55 GMT
#573
On August 07 2010 02:18 1312020 wrote:
@Mav451
Yeah, the thing I'm looking to do most is avoid skimping on the PSU, which is why I ask these questions. I'd seen Rosewill recommended before, but I was wary of it because it's not one of the big name brands. I don't have the money for a second GPU yet anyways, so I'll just get a nice reputable 650W one and when I eventually have the money for a second 470, I'll grab a nice fat 950/1000W Corsair or something. Thanks for the fast response.


Rosewill is Newegg's in house brand (along with ABS I think).

So there might be a bit of trouble with them. Hardwaresecrets has reviewed a few of them and they didn't seem to be that bad.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 06 2010 18:27 GMT
#574
For a budget PC, Rosewill works fine. I purchased their PSUs for my friend's old Dell(s), they still work to this day.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 06 2010 18:36 GMT
#575
Hey Frag - you're right:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=60
That said, Jonny reviewed the 750/850 units, so don't know what the 950 uses internally. Also I shouldn't put much credit on NE reviews, but anything more than 5% in the 1-star is a cause for concern regardless.

The difference between the double and single fan configs are also concerning. It's either 24%/16% vs. 24%/18%. Still very high in the amount of 1-stars

I'm still not a believer...maybe next time?
With no power comes no responsibility?
Pure.Calm
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom196 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-06 19:15:13
August 06 2010 19:07 GMT
#576
On August 07 2010 02:17 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2010 22:43 R04R wrote:
@ Pure.Calm
This is something I wrote awhile ago when I was talking about how Phenom II x2 555 BE dual-core processors could be unlocked to quad-core processors. The Athlon II x3 435 follows a similar manufacturing process.

The chance of unlocking the cores are entirely how the chip has been manufactured. The 555 BEs originally started as 955s, but if the 955s had faulty cores they would be turned into 555s to make up the loss. However, if that was the only way 555s were manufactured there obviously wouldn't be enough 555s in the market. There are also some 955s that are perfectly fine but are turned into 555s. That's a risk you take when you attempt to unlock a 555.

AMD doesn't manufacture the 555 chip because that would require a completely different assembly line, so they just disable cores on the 955.


This is wrong. They do not disable perfectly fine AMD Phenom II X4 955s. If you are able to unlock a core and have it be stable, the core was disabled for a different reason. Silicon die production isn't perfect so some cores end up leaking more power than AMD thinks is reasonable. Those cores are then disabled and marketed as lower core CPUs.



Hey, im really not surehow these things work so im wondering if you could tell me if trying to get the 4th to work could be damaging to it?

Also to everyone else does the build i posted above look ok? Im looking for overall comments but i am a little more concerned about the PSU given previous comments so if anyone could calm my worries or have any suggestions id appreciate it.


Edit: Adding build as it got left on the last page.

+ Show Spoiler +


Athlon II x3 435 2.9ghz processor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176043
£60

Asus M4A785TD-V EVO 785G Socket Motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169532
£69

MSI HD 5770 1gb GDDR5 Graphics Card
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/189239
£120

Coolermaster Elite 330 Case with 460w eXtreme Power PSU
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135101
£58

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1tb 32mb Cache 7200rpm Hard Drive
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804
£48

Corsair 2x2gb DDR3 1333Mhz Cas 9 1.5v
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/178943
£79

Cart total inc vat: £432.93

This should be getting you Ultra EZ at 1024x768.

The processor I picked has a chance of "unlocking" its potential to 4 cores and/or a Phenom II processor with 6mb L3 cache. This is chance though, it's not guaranteed. If this does happen though, you profit about £55 :X


Thanks

Edit2: Also wandering about the motherboard, it says it has an integrated graphics card in the comments, but im also buying a hd5770, will i have to remove the inbuilt one? And will the HD5770 GPU i am buying be integrated or dedicated? I dont know what this means but i have heard dedicated is better?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
August 06 2010 20:32 GMT
#577
cards that you buy separately are dedicated cards, integrated cards are part of the motherboard. you can disable the on-board video in bios and solely use your dedicated card, but even if you don't disable the on-board video it's not a problem really

dedicated cards have their own ram, integrated cards have to share ram with the rest of the comptuer
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 06 2010 20:52 GMT
#578
a1's silent powerhouse build:

+ Show Spoiler +

Base:
Antec Mini P180 mATX Black Aluminum Case
Corsair TX650W
2x Scythe Slip Stream Kaze Jyuni 120MM Fan 1200RPM 68.5CFM 24DBA
EVGA GeForce GTX 460
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 w/ 2xNH-P12 120MM Fans

Intel i7 Build:
EVGA X58 Micro mATX LGA1366
Intel Core i7 930
[triple channel memory]

Intel i5 Build:
GIGABYTE GA-H55M-USB3
Intel Core i5 750
[dual channel memory]

AMD Phenom X4 Build:
ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO
AMD Phenom II X4 965
[dual channel memory]

AMD Phenom X6/Thuban Build:
I don't think so, Tim.


Pricey build because of pricey case! But worth it, imo, just one of the best designed cases ever made. Unless there's something similar and cheaper that I haven't read about yet
starleague forever
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 06 2010 21:19 GMT
#579
Will my case provide adequate cooling once I replace my ancient parts?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208021&cm_re=xion_oynx-_-11-208-021-_-Product

I tried my best to add more fans, I managed to stuck 2 extra 40mm in that thing... overall the cooling is decent.

I dont think I have ever gone over 60-65C on my PC, even during the summer under full-load. While idle my E6420 is around 40C and my 4770 @ 55C(During cooler seasons it the CPU goes as low as 25C and the GPU hovers around 40C..

Forgot which AM3 MOBO I was gonna purchase, I'll worry about that when the time comes Ive really only decided on the Phenom II x4 955. And maybe 4GB of Ripjaws. My PSU is a EarthWatts 650W, I regret not getting the modular Seasonic.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 06 2010 21:31 GMT
#580
Heh if your CPU is dropping close to ambients, your case seems to be getting sufficient flow. The restrictive grills make me cringe, but if you can compensate that with adding additional fans, it will work for now. Let us know what you have available over in China though, because I would still aim for a better case. However, I would get that after you've upgrade the rest of your components, since your temps are reasonable at this point.
With no power comes no responsibility?
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