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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 06:13:52
August 07 2010 06:13 GMT
#601
Yeah, but where? ?_?
The extra peripherals from the PSU are probably going to stay at the bottom.
The SATA cables connected to the HD/Optical are pretty long and I don't know where to stuff them when the SATA port is right there.
The rear fan's power connector I don't know where else it could go. There's no holes near it to put it behind the mobo.
All the case's front port cables come from behind and come out from that bottom hole to connect to all the ports at the bottom of the mobo.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 07 2010 06:26 GMT
#602
extra peripherals should go through the management holes and stay in the back.

If in doubt stick them behind cable management.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 06:35:02
August 07 2010 06:27 GMT
#603
Canada computers has a nice deal, 24" LG LCD 1080p 2ms 199.99

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_292&item_id=021406
Divine[aX]
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada161 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 06:40:14
August 07 2010 06:35 GMT
#604
Thanks for all the info and suggestions!

Here's my current build:
Intel Core i5 760 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.8GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box
$214.99

MSI P55-GD55 ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2XPCI-E16 3XPCI-E1 2XPCI RAID Audio GBLAN CrossFire *IR-$20*
$109.99

G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit
$97.99

MSI GeForce GTX 460 Fermi Cyclone OC 725MHZ 1024MB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini-HDMI DX11 PCI-E Video Card
$209.99

estern Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM
$98.79

Samsung 2494SW 24IN Widescreen LCD Monitor 1920X1080 16 5ms 50000:1DC VGA DVI-D HDCP
$209.99

Antec Six Hundred Mid Tower Gaming Case 600 ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT 1 SATA Hot-Swap Bay No PS
$89.99

BFG GS-550 550W Power Supply ATX V2.2 EPS12V 24PIN 6PIN & 8PIN PCI-E 140MM Fan 1 Year NCIX Warranty (I don't know if this works with the build)
$59.99

Logitech G15 2ND Gen Gaming Keyboard USB Black Silver Amber LCD Panel Programmable Backlit Keys
$103.20
I might have to get a cheaper keyboard if I can't keep it under budget.

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM
$104.99

PC Assembly and Testing with 1 Year Limited NCIX System Warranty (PRE-CONFIG WIN. OS If Purchased) (Cause I'm a big noob =/)
$50.00

Total: $1,349.91CAD before taxes.

---

I have to find out how much my brother spent on his computer so I get the exact amount I'm allowed to spend. Hopefully it's not too far off from what I have right now.

Also, there's an NCIX shop pretty close by so I can go pick it up in person.

@reprise, I can't seem to find the i5 760 + MSI GD55 motherboard combo on NCIX =/, could please link me?

I'm still up for suggestions and changes and I'll try to get my exact budget soon.

Thanks for the help so far!!
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
August 07 2010 06:56 GMT
#605
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54938&vpn=i5 760 + MSI P55-GD55&manufacture=Bundle Deals&promoid=1058

Do you see the deal? if not, go to ncix.com and look at the Hang Ten event banner.
Divine[aX]
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada161 Posts
August 07 2010 07:36 GMT
#606
Thanks!

Current total at $1,334.92 CAD now.
darkponcho
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States262 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 17:58:12
August 07 2010 17:24 GMT
#607
EDIt- nvm fixed
life
Pure.Calm
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom196 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 17:38:24
August 07 2010 17:37 GMT
#608
Hey guys again, im sorry about continualy posting but i keep coming across problems that i might have. This time i was wandering if this build has a c.d drive, if not could you recomend one? Im between the two builds below atm, so please add any siggestions you might have

+ Show Spoiler +
Athlon II x3 435 2.9ghz processor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176043
£60

Asus M4A785TD-V EVO 785G Socket Motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169532
£69

MSI HD 5770 1gb GDDR5 Graphics Card
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/189239
£120

Coolermaster Elite 330 Case with 460w eXtreme Power PSU
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135101
£58

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1tb 32mb Cache 7200rpm Hard Drive
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804
£48

Corsair 2x2gb DDR3 1333Mhz Cas 9 1.5v
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/178943
£79

Cart total inc vat: £432.93


+ Show Spoiler +
Athlon II x3 435 2.9ghz processor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176043
£60

MSI HD 5770 1gb GDDR5 Graphics Card
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/189239
£120

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1tb 32mb Cache 7200rpm Hard Drive
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804
£48

Corsair 2x2gb DDR3 1333Mhz Cas 9 1.5v
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/178943
£79

Antec 300 case
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854
£47

XFX 650w Modular power supply
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191826
£70

Asus M4A79XTD EVO 790X 16x/0x 8x/8x Motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172846
£83

darkponcho
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States262 Posts
August 07 2010 18:00 GMT
#609
the second build is better imo because i think the 650w is safer. Any cd drive will do really, I got a LiteOn for like 20 bucks.
life
Pure.Calm
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom196 Posts
August 07 2010 18:30 GMT
#610
Kool, is there anyway i cuold use the disk drives on my current computer by removing them and adding them to my new build? Also, what would happen if i use my current harddrive in the new build? Im gona buy a 1TB one, but i seen a guy on youtube using the 0 Raid configuration to make 2 harddrives act as one. If i used my current one with all my stuff still saved on it, what would happen? would i be able to go through and set the 0 raid configuration then load up in my current xp, meaning i wouldnt have to buy an os? The reason i ask is because i can get a windows 7 pro for £30 but only if i have a current operatin system.

My plan if the build goes well, is to load up normally but with my current harddrive and new harddrive in 0raid. Then before installing my componants, run the windows 7 upgrade, reformating (this means delete everything on the harddrive?) my old harddrive. After this i would then go ahead and begin installing all my drivers? Does this sound like it would work?

Thanks
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 07 2010 19:47 GMT
#611
I've never really felt RAID is a good idea on a desktop. RAID 5 for a media server box, maybe, but certainly not for the desktop (and definitely not 0). 0 is nice for performance, but if one drive goes out you lose everything. If you really want speed, spend extra on an SSD. It's less complicated - and for the desktops, simplicity is better IMO. Of course SSDs, quality ones, are expensive.

If you want a boost of speed with traditional HDs, I would use the new F3 as the OS drive and short-stroke it (partition only 10% of it for use). For data HDs, obviously partition the whole thing out, since speed isn't as important. Short-stroking is a great alternative to SSDs if you can't afford it.

With no power comes no responsibility?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 07 2010 21:00 GMT
#612
Another SC2 benchmark, this time from Xbitlabs
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/starcraft2-wings-of-liberty.html

looks good to me.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Divine[aX]
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada161 Posts
August 07 2010 22:36 GMT
#613
Updated:

+ Show Spoiler +
Intel Core i5 760 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.8GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box
$214.99

MSI P55-GD55 ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2XPCI-E16 3XPCI-E1 2XPCI RAID Audio GBLAN CrossFire
$89.99

Corsair XMS3 CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 9-9-9-24 Core i5 Dual Channel Memory Kit
$89.99

MSI GeForce GTX 460 Fermi Cyclone OC 725MHZ 1024MB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini-HDMI DX11 PCI-E Video Card
$209.99

Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB SATA2 7200RPM 32MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM
$77.22

LG W2442PA-BF 24IN Widescreen LCD Monitor Black 2MS 10000:1 300CDM 1920X1080 1080P HAS Tilt HDMI DVI
$199.99

Antec Six Hundred Mid Tower Gaming Case 600 ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT 1 SATA Hot-Swap Bay No PS
$86.94

OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V 24PIN Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black
$19.99

Logitech Access Keyboard 600 USB Black
$21.99

Sony Optiarc 18X DVD-ROM Black SATA OEM
$18.50

PC Assembly and Testing with 1 Year Limited NCIX System Warranty (PRE-CONFIG WIN. OS If Purchased)
$50.00

Total is $1115.59 CAD before taxes.
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 23:46:43
August 07 2010 23:44 GMT
#614
from what i see, if i don't plan to oc/hyperthread/some stuff you guys do, i should go with the i5 750 for gaming and general use?

What's the difference between the i5 750 and 760 ?

What motherboard should i get?

what does the x16/x16 or x8/x8 in the first post motherboard spoiler mean?
should i go for some random p55 motherboard like the build reprise post
What's the difference between a p55 and x58?


GTX 460/ 5850/ something else?

What PSU should i get?
i intend to fit 2 1TB HD if possible into the computer

Will still need to buy a HD monitor and crappy keyboard

Budget would be ~1.5k singapore dollars.
could probably go up by 200 but that that would be the max


or should i just copy Divine[aX]'s computer build with the core items?
Thailand is my new obsession
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 07 2010 23:52 GMT
#615
i5 750 vs i5 760 is just 133MHz

If you only plan on getting 1 GPU, just go with an ASUS P7P55D-E or a Gigabyte P55 UD3R

X16/X16 means 16 lanes of bandwidth are open to each GPU
X8/X8 means 8 lanes of bandwidth are open to each GPU

P55 VS X58 is a different socket (so different CPU) and X58 is X16/X16 while P55 is generally X8/X8 or X16/0

GTX 460 1GB is the best GPU for SC2 and probably the best GPU overall at the moment

500W should be more than enough

I don't know any places where you could buy computer parts from in Singapore so you're going to have to tell us what store you are going to use.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
August 08 2010 00:03 GMT
#616
Thanks for the answers fragkrag. I'm gonna go down to the local electronic place and buy the parts in person.
Thailand is my new obsession
Pure.Calm
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom196 Posts
August 08 2010 00:25 GMT
#617
Ok guys, disregarding weither or not i use raid settings, if i assemble my computer with both my new harddrive, can i also use both my harddrives (my old one and my new one (i was thinking of using raid0 because it would mean i could use both hardddrives and make the next step possible.

So im pretty sure i havent made sense so il restart. I can get a windows 7 UPGRADE for £30 which means i can meet my budget. I have xp on my current hardrive, but it is not big enough and i want to install my 1TB one that i have ordered. I was wandering if there was a way that i could build with my old computer and load up with my current xp system that is loaded on, so that i could then get my windows 7 upgrade.

As far as i am aware, when you install windows 7 you are given the option to delete your current memory (which i want) and end up with windows7. At this point i would then install all my drivers.

Would this work?

Thanks
Mathewep2010
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States63 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 01:13:02
August 08 2010 01:05 GMT
#618
EDIT: My budget for both the "box" setup and TV (all with cables and such) is 1600-1800USD

I'm going to buy a desktop soon and would like to know if the one I'm about to post information on is good enough to run SC2 on the highest settings without giving the comp any troubles at all and also could someone tell me if I'm overkilling with this specific setup, its a Dell XPS9100 setup btw thats priced at 1500USD as shown. Also could someone inform me of what all I have to do to use a flatscreen TV as a monitor and if it will work with this computer, I'm very new to all of this, thank you:

Software & Services
PROCESSORS Intel® Core™i7-920 processor(8MB L2 Cache, 2.66GHz) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English edit
MEMORY 12GB Tri Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 6 DIMM
VIDEO CARD ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 edit
HARD DRIVE 750GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache edit
OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability edit
SOUND CARD THX® TruStudio PC™ edit
MODEM No Modem Option edit

EDIT:If this setup can be altered by me just buying the stuff I need and having a local computer shop build it for cheaper with the same quality I'm all ears on how to go about doing that, I'm quick to learn but don't really know what all would be needed to make that happen but my basic need is ONLY the "box" setup and some idea of what TV to buy and how to make that work as my monitor, damn that sounds sooo noob, help me!!
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
August 08 2010 01:06 GMT
#619
On August 08 2010 06:00 FragKrag wrote:
Another SC2 benchmark, this time from Xbitlabs
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/starcraft2-wings-of-liberty.html

looks good to me.

Hey, thanks for the link. I'm currently using an ATI 5750 and it shows in their benchmarks that it runs the most "intense" situations at around 40-50 fps on Ultra, AF x16 at 1600x900 res.

I don't get those frame rates even when I run on high. What would you say is limiting my pc?

cpu: C2Q Q6600 (not overclocked) 2.4GHz
ram: 5GB ram DDR2
gpu: HD 5750
hdd: 750 GB SATA 3G (3.0 Gb/sec)
os: W7 pro

I currently have everything set to high (or lower) @ 1400x900 res and in big battles, my fps drops to the 30s. The recommended settings are maxed at 'high' but I'm wondering if I can play this game at ultra.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
August 08 2010 01:24 GMT
#620
On August 07 2010 15:35 Divine[aX] wrote:
Thanks for all the info and suggestions!

Here's my current build:
Intel Core i5 760 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.8GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box
$214.99

MSI P55-GD55 ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2XPCI-E16 3XPCI-E1 2XPCI RAID Audio GBLAN CrossFire *IR-$20*
$109.99

G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit
$97.99

MSI GeForce GTX 460 Fermi Cyclone OC 725MHZ 1024MB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini-HDMI DX11 PCI-E Video Card
$209.99

estern Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM
$98.79

Samsung 2494SW 24IN Widescreen LCD Monitor 1920X1080 16 5ms 50000:1DC VGA DVI-D HDCP
$209.99

Antec Six Hundred Mid Tower Gaming Case 600 ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT 1 SATA Hot-Swap Bay No PS
$89.99

BFG GS-550 550W Power Supply ATX V2.2 EPS12V 24PIN 6PIN & 8PIN PCI-E 140MM Fan 1 Year NCIX Warranty (I don't know if this works with the build)
$59.99

Logitech G15 2ND Gen Gaming Keyboard USB Black Silver Amber LCD Panel Programmable Backlit Keys
$103.20
I might have to get a cheaper keyboard if I can't keep it under budget.

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM
$104.99

PC Assembly and Testing with 1 Year Limited NCIX System Warranty (PRE-CONFIG WIN. OS If Purchased) (Cause I'm a big noob =/)
$50.00

Total: $1,349.91CAD before taxes.

---

I have to find out how much my brother spent on his computer so I get the exact amount I'm allowed to spend. Hopefully it's not too far off from what I have right now.

Also, there's an NCIX shop pretty close by so I can go pick it up in person.

@reprise, I can't seem to find the i5 760 + MSI GD55 motherboard combo on NCIX =/, could please link me?

I'm still up for suggestions and changes and I'll try to get my exact budget soon.

Thanks for the help so far!!

This is OK, but I'd either get the antec 300 or 900, the 600 has a bad reputation among my computer building friends.
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