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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 07:48:22
August 03 2010 07:47 GMT
#461
Well he can go cheaper on the HDD's Green series from WD they are slow but are fine for storing files that you need to access but not necessarily move around a lot etc, like movies. Ofc there are things like TX series from seagate meant for constant usage from like a security camera.

I was going for minimizing cost for fun things like SSD, a 930 is nice but costly.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 03 2010 07:55 GMT
#462
Well you could shave the price off the 930 by getting it at Microcenter. That's a lot of stuff x_x
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TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 08:08:26
August 03 2010 08:00 GMT
#463
On August 03 2010 16:39 semantics wrote:
What's your psu and do you need anything like a i7-870 vs just a i5-760


I'll have to check tomorrow, but going to assume I wont have to replace. I remember buying a beastly power supply.

On August 03 2010 16:47 semantics wrote:
Well he can go cheaper on the HDD's Green series from WD they are slow but are fine for storing files that you need to access but not necessarily move around a lot etc, like movies. Ofc there are things like TX series from seagate meant for constant usage from like a security camera.

I was going for minimizing cost for fun things like SSD, a 930 is nice but costly.


Going to pass on the SSD for now, way too expensive at the size I want for my C:/ (200gb+)

Going to go with the i7-930, so I have the option to go crossfire/SLI down the road.

Edit: I also forgot to mention that I'm currently still using XP, so would need to probably upgrade to windows 7?
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 08:54:40
August 03 2010 08:52 GMT
#464
Where should I upgrade first?
Mainboard: Foxconn G31MX Series
CPU: Pentium Dual CPU E2200 @2.20 GHz (socket 775)
RAM: 2GB DDR2
GPU: 8500GT 256MB DDR3
Monitor: 15'' Dell LCD.
PSU: 500W

Budget around $100.

zerotol
Profile Joined August 2009
Belgium508 Posts
August 03 2010 09:46 GMT
#465
On August 03 2010 17:52 Garnet wrote:
Where should I upgrade first?
Mainboard: Foxconn G31MX Series
CPU: Pentium Dual CPU E2200 @2.20 GHz (socket 775)
RAM: 2GB DDR2
GPU: 8500GT 256MB DDR3
Monitor: 15'' Dell LCD.
PSU: 500W

Budget around $100.



definitely graphic card , something like an 5670 should be within budget.

Also try to overclock your cpu, you probably have some headroom left.
Now i am become death, the destroyer of worlds
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 03 2010 10:03 GMT
#466
Well, with that budget, there is no much you can do...

I would probably get a new monitor or graphic card but you will probably be capped on everything else.
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 03 2010 10:03 GMT
#467
On August 03 2010 17:00 TheMango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 16:39 semantics wrote:
What's your psu and do you need anything like a i7-870 vs just a i5-760


I'll have to check tomorrow, but going to assume I wont have to replace. I remember buying a beastly power supply.

Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 16:47 semantics wrote:
Well he can go cheaper on the HDD's Green series from WD they are slow but are fine for storing files that you need to access but not necessarily move around a lot etc, like movies. Ofc there are things like TX series from seagate meant for constant usage from like a security camera.

I was going for minimizing cost for fun things like SSD, a 930 is nice but costly.


Going to pass on the SSD for now, way too expensive at the size I want for my C:/ (200gb+)

Going to go with the i7-930, so I have the option to go crossfire/SLI down the road.

Edit: I also forgot to mention that I'm currently still using XP, so would need to probably upgrade to windows 7?


Seagate Momentus XT 500GB is pretty cheap for what it does.
Rillanon.au
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 03 2010 10:59 GMT
#468
Momentus XT is a mix of both Mechanical HD and SSD, but not enough of either. Not good for its price also.
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johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
August 03 2010 12:10 GMT
#469
Why not try a very small SSD, say about 64-80 GB, which holds ONLY your Windows and SC2 + whatever other games you play (benefits from better random access times, faster boot etc)

and have a mechanical HDD of say 1TB or more for your media and stuff, this setup seems to be becoming more and more popular nowadays.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19188 Posts
August 03 2010 12:16 GMT
#470
On August 03 2010 15:18 MrBitter wrote:
o.O

I love the nerd community. I feel like I've been hugged against the bosom of the techy-gods, and blessed with l337 advice.

For a storage HD, will I be alright just using a cheap external?

Is thermal paste really gonna be necessary with the rig I posted? I guess if it doesn't hurt anything I might as well...

In regards to PSUs: seems like every suggestion is getting beefier and beefier. 750W just seems like so much overkill... Would love some more solid advice here, as everyone seems to have a different opinion on this one.

I am a college student, so I'll check with the school to see if I can get a deal on Windows.

And per you guys' advice, maybe I can knock off $50-$100 with some clever comboing.

<3 x a bajillion. You guys rule.

I recommend it. I'm not sure if your CPU comes with it (they usually don't), and if you don't have proper contact between the CPU and the cooler you can have some serious (read: damaging) heat issues, and you won't be able to RMA since it would be considered user inflicted damage. IMO it's worth it to pick up a $5 tube of Arctic Silver.


On August 03 2010 16:07 TheMango wrote:
So, I'm looking to upgrade. Here is my current setup:

Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Socket 775 LGA

Mobo:
ASUSTeK P5Q-E
Northbridge Intel P45/P43/G45/G43 rev. A2
Southbridge Intel 82801JR (ICH10R) rev. 00

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)

Graphics Card:
SAPPHIRE TOXIC 100282TXSR Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Display:
2 x LG W2286L Black 22" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight LCD monitor (1680*1050)

Case:
Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

HDD:
4 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000340AS Hard Drive - 1TB - 7200rpm
2 x MAXTOR 6H500R0 500GB internal 3.5 IDE 7200rpm 16MB

I recently bought the HD 5850, and the dual 22" monitors, so those will stay, as well as the 4 x 1TB Seagate Sata HD's. I'd like to replace the 2 x 500GB IDE Maxtors with 2 x 2 TB's.

I'm willing to spend max $1-1.5k on an upgrade, primary focus on a new mobo, processor, 2 x 2 TB HD's. If there's room left, a new case, SSD HD, and possibly another 5850 to put into crossfire (overkill? :p)

P5Q-E only has 1 PCIe slot at x16. If you want the best crossfire, you'll need 2. Go for A Maximus III Gene. You can combo it with an i5-750, i5-760, or i7-860 for $335, $350, or $426, respectively
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 03 2010 12:37 GMT
#471
Why upgrade that rig? It's more than capable for SC2 on ultra...

I would only suggest getting a SSD to improve general performance and loading times.

I went from 4GB + E8400 to 1050T + 8GB + SSD and I must say SC2 performance didn't really increase that much.

Rillanon.au
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
August 03 2010 15:14 GMT
#472
just buy a better cpu cooler and overclock that cpu, your performance will still be really good
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
August 03 2010 15:58 GMT
#473
On August 03 2010 21:16 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 15:18 MrBitter wrote:
o.O

I love the nerd community. I feel like I've been hugged against the bosom of the techy-gods, and blessed with l337 advice.

For a storage HD, will I be alright just using a cheap external?

Is thermal paste really gonna be necessary with the rig I posted? I guess if it doesn't hurt anything I might as well...

In regards to PSUs: seems like every suggestion is getting beefier and beefier. 750W just seems like so much overkill... Would love some more solid advice here, as everyone seems to have a different opinion on this one.

I am a college student, so I'll check with the school to see if I can get a deal on Windows.

And per you guys' advice, maybe I can knock off $50-$100 with some clever comboing.

<3 x a bajillion. You guys rule.

I recommend it. I'm not sure if your CPU comes with it (they usually don't), and if you don't have proper contact between the CPU and the cooler you can have some serious (read: damaging) heat issues, and you won't be able to RMA since it would be considered user inflicted damage. IMO it's worth it to pick up a $5 tube of Arctic Silver.


Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 16:07 TheMango wrote:
So, I'm looking to upgrade. Here is my current setup:

Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Socket 775 LGA

Mobo:
ASUSTeK P5Q-E
Northbridge Intel P45/P43/G45/G43 rev. A2
Southbridge Intel 82801JR (ICH10R) rev. 00

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)

Graphics Card:
SAPPHIRE TOXIC 100282TXSR Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Display:
2 x LG W2286L Black 22" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight LCD monitor (1680*1050)

Case:
Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

HDD:
4 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000340AS Hard Drive - 1TB - 7200rpm
2 x MAXTOR 6H500R0 500GB internal 3.5 IDE 7200rpm 16MB

I recently bought the HD 5850, and the dual 22" monitors, so those will stay, as well as the 4 x 1TB Seagate Sata HD's. I'd like to replace the 2 x 500GB IDE Maxtors with 2 x 2 TB's.

I'm willing to spend max $1-1.5k on an upgrade, primary focus on a new mobo, processor, 2 x 2 TB HD's. If there's room left, a new case, SSD HD, and possibly another 5850 to put into crossfire (overkill? :p)

P5Q-E only has 1 PCIe slot at x16. If you want the best crossfire, you'll need 2. Go for A Maximus III Gene. You can combo it with an i5-750, i5-760, or i7-860 for $335, $350, or $426, respectively



I don't know if it's worth it to spend extra for thermal paste..... but for 5 bucks, why not?

Or instead of getting thermal paste separately, go for a cooler with thermal paste bundled.

popular choice: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus.

FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
August 03 2010 16:39 GMT
#474
On August 03 2010 21:37 haduken wrote:
Why upgrade that rig? It's more than capable for SC2 on ultra...

I would only suggest getting a SSD to improve general performance and loading times.

I went from 4GB + E8400 to 1050T + 8GB + SSD and I must say SC2 performance didn't really increase that much.



That's because your new CPU shouldn't increase performance
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19188 Posts
August 03 2010 16:59 GMT
#475
The best way to boost SC2 performance is Video Card -> RAM -> SSD -> CPU, pretty much in that order (SSD really only affects loading times).
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 17:50:48
August 03 2010 17:21 GMT
#476
What about if you were in my position. My GPU used to carry the load on all my applications until SC2, and I am noticing it to be struggling compared to other rigs I've seen, where my card is superior but CPU is inferior.

I'm running

6000+
4gb Corsair XMS2 6400
EVGA GTX 280 SC
ASUS M2N4-SLI

I'm sure my 6000+ is bottlenecking my rig, but if what you guys are saying that CPU isn't supposed to increase my performance, then which should I upgrade? I was planning on upgrading to i5 750, along with the obvious new motherboard and ram, but if there is a cheaper solution then I'm all ears.


EDIT: I also tried OCing my 6000+, but on 15x, as soon as I go to 210mhz my FPU goes ??? in everest stability test. So i tried it out ingame and I bsod instantly almost, it's not overheating it's just unstable as ever. I'm reading things about their 6000+ being able to achieve as high as 3.5ghz and I'm curious how. Max voltage I can attain is 1.35v
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 17:47:20
August 03 2010 17:38 GMT
#477
On August 03 2010 21:37 haduken wrote:
Why upgrade that rig? It's more than capable for SC2 on ultra...

I would only suggest getting a SSD to improve general performance and loading times.

I went from 4GB + E8400 to 1050T + 8GB + SSD and I must say SC2 performance didn't really increase that much.


That's because sc2 caps it self to only taking up 2.8gigs of ram per instance, and it favors less cores with high clocks, E8400 oced to 4Ghz generally would max out sc2 performance needed for cpu, the rest depends on gpu. Anyways the 1055T is a much better option for other things, i mean unless you had a really old cpu i don't think you would have saw more then just a few frames when upgrading.

I know that a E8400 you can get 5-10 frames easy just buy ocing it from 3ghz to 4ghz in sc2 because the other rig in my house runs a E8400

The SSD though should have improved loading times down to just 1-3 seconds vs 7-10 seconds ofc that's something you don't notice until we take it away. What you did was an upgrade but more so in general computing then gaming related upgrade.

On August 04 2010 01:59 tofucake wrote:
The best way to boost SC2 performance is Video Card -> RAM -> SSD -> CPU, pretty much in that order (SSD really only affects loading times).

I would go Video card -> CPU -> SSD(for load times :D although multiplayer that wont matter because you'll be waiting for the other guy to load)

Ram isn't an issue if you have 4 gigs you have enough
Bx_Kaotik
Profile Joined July 2010
United States12 Posts
August 03 2010 18:46 GMT
#478
hey quick question, i received my email for the windows 7 professional upgrade for 30 and dont know how it works exactly. Since this will be for a new pc im building idk if before installing i need a previous version of windows first. I seen it say windows 7 professional full version 300 and upgrade version 200 on a other site. What is the difference? im assuming since it says window 7 upgrade for 30 i will need a windows already installed before i can install it.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19188 Posts
August 03 2010 19:18 GMT
#479
Upgrade requires an existing Windows install present. Full does not.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Bx_Kaotik
Profile Joined July 2010
United States12 Posts
August 03 2010 19:20 GMT
#480
On August 04 2010 04:18 tofucake wrote:
Upgrade requires an existing Windows install present. Full does not.



oo ok so will it work if i install my old windows xp first then download the windows 7 upgrade?
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