EPTThe other possibility is the Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 2. According to reviews, it's a tad quieter than the Noctua, but performs a tad worse.
Thanks for your input, as usual!
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
The other possibility is the Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 2. According to reviews, it's a tad quieter than the Noctua, but performs a tad worse. Thanks for your input, as usual! | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
Operating System: Windows 2.6.1.7601 (Service Pack 1) CPU Type: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor CPU Speed: 3.02 GHz System Memory: 8 GB Video Card Model: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT Video Card Memory: 2.23 GB Video Card Driver: nvd3dum.dll Desktop Resolution: 1280x1024 Hard Disk Size: 189.91 GB I don't want to upgrade the whole thing, just one or two parts if that is possible and I'd like to stay under 200€ (I know it's not much and while I do have more I kinda need to spend the money on other stuff) if I REALLY have to I could go up to 300€ though. I use my machine pretty much only for gaming, I don't stream even though I watch them, I'm no artist and don't do anything else connected to the computer really. As you probably figured out by now I'm going through the questions of the first post of the thread and I don't update my computer too often and really don't intend to ^^. I don't plan to overclock anything, I'm content with windows 7 (as I should be since I got it not too long ago and sticked to xp for years) I don't know any good place to buy parts and would probably just use amazon because I'm lazy. So guys, what do you think? (of the computer, not of me, I know I'm a lazy fuck and so on ^^) | ||
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eParadox
Canada132 Posts
I wouldn't recommend it but you can get a 500W+ power supply and a HD7850 for around 250 USD which is around 190€ IIRC. I don't know if that CPU will bottleneck a 7850, if anyone knows please post. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
A simple and lazy upgrade that would help for a lot of games would be to just throw in an HD 7750 for around €75. For that level, you wouldn't need a new power supply. Eventually you'll need a CPU upgrade, though, but your system isn't quite as old as you think. 7600 GT is a lowish-midrange graphics card from 2006 (so replacing that with a lowish-midrange card from 2012 would be a big upgrade), and Athlon II X2 is a lowish-end desktop CPU from 2009. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On April 16 2013 09:09 Myrmidon wrote: Depends on which games. A simple and lazy upgrade that would help for a lot of games would be to just throw in an HD 7750 for around €75. For that level, you wouldn't need a new power supply. Eventually you'll need a CPU upgrade, though, but your system isn't quite as old as you think. 7600 GT is a lowish-midrange graphics card from 2006 (so replacing that with a lowish-midrange card from 2012 would be a big upgrade), and Athlon II X2 is a lowish-end desktop CPU from 2009. So I basically need a new processor and a new graphics card? Nice to see that my speculations were right then, of course they weren't based on any real knowledge ^^. Any suggestions for both for around 200€? Can be a bit more or less, even up to 300 if it would really make a worthy difference. (I know you suggested the HD 7750 and I wouldn't hesitate to buy it, especially for that price, but I'm always open to better options if there are any) Oh and obviously, thanks for the help, really guys I'd be lost without you :D EDIT: And yeah you're right about the system, but that is most likely so because none of the original parts are still in my computer ^^ | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If you're upgrading the CPU for gaming, you'd need a new motherboard, probably should reinstall OS, etc. Because you pretty much need a new video card, adding a new CPU and motherboard to that would take you closer to 300 euros. Actually, if you wanted to upgrade the CPU, I would suggest waiting a couple months for Intel's next-gen processors to become available. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
that's atleast what it says on the box, no idea where I got it from though. EDIT: Read some comments on amazon about the product in which I find euphoria and claims of fraud and that it's horrible, though then again I haven't encountered any problems which are mentioned there and it's still running smoothly and about as silent as it always did. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On April 16 2013 10:13 SilentchiLL wrote: A 730W ATX Power Supply TP-730 that's atleast what it says on the box, no idea where I got it from though. Can you confirm that this is your power supply? http://www.techsolo.net/download/TP-730_i.pdf You need to open your case, and write down the numbers that are listed on the side of the power supply. The ones we are interested in are the +12v1 and +12v2. If the spec sheet is right, then this PSU only supplies 38A combined on the 12v rail, which is 456W. Conservatively we can assume it's rated for only 25C...so it may not even support this at the real world temps of 38-40C. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On April 16 2013 10:19 mav451 wrote: Can you confirm that this is your power supply? http://www.techsolo.net/download/TP-730_i.pdf You need to open your case, and write down the numbers that are listed on the side of the power supply. The ones we are interested in are the +12v1 and +12v2. If the spec sheet is right, then this PSU only supplies 38A combined on the 12v rail, which is 456W. Conservatively we can assume it's rated for only 25C...so it may not even support this at the real world temps of 38-40C. That seems to be it and on the side I can read AC INPUT 230Vac 5A DC OUTPUT____+3,3V____+5v_____+12V(1)___+12V(2)___-12V______+5Vsb Max____________26A_____35A______19A______19A_____0.8A______2.5A Current_____________260W______________450W________9.6W_____12.5W Output__________________________730W_____________________________ it's the little statistic on the side ![[image loading]](http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/111005/techsolo_tp730_730w.jpg) EDIT: posting it ruined the layout, one sec EDIT: fixed it (kind of) if it's still a bit hard to understand just look at the picture and compare it to the statistic there | ||
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xasuma
Chile62 Posts
I am looking for a full case, hopefully one that is big enough to put water cooling in, with great cable management and options for lots of fans. I would like to keep it for a long time, and i maybe in the future it will hold 2 big GPU's(most likely some nvidia ones) . (I am just saying this to let you know that I want a big one so I can have room to upgrade as much as a please in the future.) I am looking at the nzxt phantom (the original one) for $120 usd. I liked its design and the different options for air flow that it has. ( I know its a full case, but I am not sure if it could hold 2 gpu's.) And it has only 7 spots in the back, im thinking maybe one with 9 would be better. I am wondering if anybody has another case that I should consider for under $150 usd? Thanks! I also like the phantom 630. But the price is about 175. Tha Haf x is also very nice. sugestions? | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 16 2013 03:32 Gumbi wrote: Hi, I have a good price on a Noctua nh d-14 at the moment, am thinking of getting it as a nice upgrade from my Hyper 212+ for my 3570k. I currently have a 4.6ghz OC with max 86 degrees after 20 runs of IBT. I'm thinking 4.8ghz at (possibly) lower temps and less noise is possible with this cooler. I can sell my 212 for basically as much as I paid for it, so that's why I'm considering this upgrade. The other possibility is the Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 2. According to reviews, it's a tad quieter than the Noctua, but performs a tad worse. Thanks for your input, as usual! Zalman LQ320 is $44 AR on newegg right now, a way better deal. The Nh-d14 at $65 is a good price, but it's not great. Also what voltage do you do your overclock at? If you need over 1.35v for your 4.6ghz to be 24 hour prime95 stable, then it probably isn't worth buying a better heatsink. If you raelly want a lot of cooling, you can look into delidding. Youll get a larger temp drop by deliddin (on average, temp drops of 25-35*C... on average) than going to a high end cooler, and new delid methods have come out that don't require you to stick a razor blade into it, you just tap it with a rubber mallet when holding it in a vice. You can see my sig for more details on that. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Hey guys I am looking into upgrading my very old case to a new one. I am looking for a full case, hopefully one that is big enough to put water cooling in, with great cable management and options for lots of fans. I would like to keep it for a long time, and i maybe in the future it will hold 2 big GPU's(most likely some nvidia ones) . (I am just saying this to let you know that I want a big one so I can have room to upgrade as much as a please in the future.) Cases aren't like electronic components, I mean the onyl difference in cases is the insides, how it feels when taking it apart. If you plan for some sort of 'long term build', 'future proof', then buying a high end case probably isn't necessary for you, it's only necessary for people like me who are swapping out computer components about every week, who constantly are remounting their heatsinks, who sleeve their cables, who have over 5 case fans and a ton of peripherals so there's a ton of wires. After some recent additions the back of my case is actually twice as cluttered as in this picture: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xLyWfQel.jpg) but as you can see, 8 case fans, a fan controller with 5 temp sensors and 5 molex/3pin connectors (so basically it's the cabling of 13 fans), custom sleeved extensions (not pictured, but you can imagine how cramped it is with a 24pin, 8 pin, 2x6pin extensions added back there too), and an ssd, all fit just fine. And this is a lower end case with relatively little space behind it. Any mid-tower will hold 2 gpus just fine, you only need to worry about a bigger case if you plan to go 3 or 4 GPUs. It would be a lot more cost effective to buy a case for now, and when you need a bigger case, just get it then. Cases develop quite rapidly, literally, cases that were awesome 2 years ago, are worse than low-end cases that come out today. There's an amazing trickle down effect in case design - it doesnt cost anything extra to have cable routing ports in the top side of the motherboard panel, or water cooling holes, or a bottom mounted fan slot, or an extra 5mm behind the motherboard panel, but it does take time to innovate such features. The nzxt phantom is a great case, but i dont really see anything in your post that indicates a need for a full-size case. If you want one, that's fine, but just 2 GPUs (and way in the future), and not swapping parts out constnatly, i don't really see you as someone who needs a higher end case. i mean go for it, I just don't see you needing it. Many modern, lower end, quality cases like the corsair carbides, bitfenix, nzxt, can accomodate everything you are asking for. Even the mid-tower nzxt phantom 410. They willl all have absolutely no problem holding 2 GPus. Just go into the nzxt phantom 410 fan club, or any case fan club, at OCN, you'll see plenty of pics of people doing sli and such just fine in mid-towers. it's not like budget, modern, cases are tight in space or anything either. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
That said, can y'all check this build? I made some changes to what he originally had and want to make sure they're all good. Asrock Z77 Pro4 here i5-3570K Hyper 212 Evo 8GB Corsair RAM here. Is it really this expensive? Asus 7850 Rosewill capstone 450W Samsung 840 128GB Some 500GB hard drive and ODD, as well as W7. He didn't specify a case. He's not partial either way, so I was probably going to recommend the nanoxia deep silence 1 (finally available stateside :D) since that's the case I'm getting as soon as I upgrade. Did I miss anything big? I haven't price optimized just yet for him, but that's basically what I think my recommendation would look like. Also, I'm probably upgrading my i3-3220/GTX 650 to a haswell/7850? based build (4570k/7850 probably) once it comes out this summer (I'll actually have some money to spare). I currently have an Antec Neo Eco 420. Considering the PSU and that I probably will need to get rid of half of my build anyways, is it a better idea to just sell the entire build over reusing parts? Thanks guys! Edit: Assuming I sell, how much would this be worth? Six months oldish as well. + Show Spoiler + i3-3220 GTX 650 Asrock B75 8GB G.skill value RAM 500GB Seagate HDD 64GB Crucial m4 SSD some ODD? Antec Neo Eco 420 Fractal Design Core 1000 I paid 500$ almost exact for it I think? Considering it's fairly new, I'm hoping 4-450$? Or am I being ambitious? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On April 16 2013 10:35 SilentchiLL wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2013 10:19 mav451 wrote: Can you confirm that this is your power supply? http://www.techsolo.net/download/TP-730_i.pdf You need to open your case, and write down the numbers that are listed on the side of the power supply. The ones we are interested in are the +12v1 and +12v2. If the spec sheet is right, then this PSU only supplies 38A combined on the 12v rail, which is 456W. Conservatively we can assume it's rated for only 25C...so it may not even support this at the real world temps of 38-40C. That seems to be it and on the side I can read AC INPUT 230Vac 5A DC OUTPUT____+3,3V____+5v_____+12V(1)___+12V(2)___-12V______+5Vsb Max____________26A_____35A______19A______19A_____0.8A______2.5A Current_____________260W______________450W________9.6W_____12.5W Output__________________________730W_____________________________ it's the little statistic on the side EDIT: posting it ruined the layout, one sec EDIT: fixed it (kind of) if it's still a bit hard to understand just look at the picture and compare it to the statistic there I don't think the listed "specifications" can be trusted. Next time you tear apart the computer (or perhaps sooner, or if you want to get a better video card), you should probably replace it with some kind of legitimate product. But yeah, you're not doing GPU + CPU + motherboard + PSU upgrade under 300 euros, so you'd have to pick and choose. As I said earlier, I'd hold off CPU upgrade until at least Haswell. Your monitor's small resolution does not demand a high-end graphics card. Consider upgrading that too. On April 16 2013 13:19 Belial88 wrote: Zalman LQ320 is $44 AR on newegg right now, a way better deal. [...] Ireland. On April 16 2013 13:28 Belial88 wrote: The nzxt phantom is a great case, but i dont really see anything in your post that indicates a need for a full-size case. On April 16 2013 10:47 xasuma wrote: I am looking for a full case, hopefully one that is big enough to put water cooling in [...] Dunno. Phantom is not really that geared for placing radiators. Under 150 USD, maybe Fractal Design Define XL R2? It can fit stuff and also not be a failure at air cooling. But yeah, lots of cases can fit dinky CPU closed-loop water coolers, so there's no special requirement there. If you're doing custom, that's expensive and not really warranted unless you have exacting expectations for running multi-GPU in terms of overclocks and/or noise. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
What the hell happened to RAM prices? They went up quite a lot. You might be able to get a little cheaper than that, but not a ton AFAIK. Unsure of US pricing for RAM You want 2x4gb RAM, not 1x8 You should probably get a better motherboard, unless you are just looking for a cheap lower end overclock and don't mind voltage underreporting etc (asrock z77 known for issues with it) I'd also say seriously just wait 6 weeks for haswell, maybe some people don't want to, but we have newer batches of CPU's now that are doing 5ghz on voltages a lot of previous ivy bridge cpu's struggled to do 4.5ghz on, If that translates to Haswell CPU's then expected/easy overclocks could rise massively - the issues with heat spreader will most likely also be fixed, so for the general consumer that means like 20c lower temperatures with overclocking, other variables aside - and on top of that, ~8% more IPC could stack up to add a lot of power. There's also the added overclocking features, i'd say if the potential for a 20% better CPU is important, hold out and see how Haswell does, if not, then just cut costs and go with ivy, a cheaper board etc | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On April 16 2013 14:04 Cyro wrote: They went up quite a lot. You might be able to get a little cheaper than that, but not a ton AFAIK. Unsure of US pricing for RAM You want 2x4gb RAM, not 1x8 You should probably get a better motherboard, unless you are just looking for a cheap lower end overclock and don't mind voltage underreporting etc (asrock z77 known for issues with it) I'd also say seriously just wait 6 weeks for haswell, maybe some people don't want to, but we have newer batches of CPU's now that are doing 5ghz on voltages a lot of previous ivy bridge cpu's struggled to do 4.5ghz on, If that translates to Haswell CPU's then expected/easy overclocks could rise massively - the issues with heat spreader will most likely also be fixed, so for the general consumer that means like 20c lower temperatures with overclocking, other variables aside - and on top of that, ~8% more IPC could stack up to add a lot of power. There's also the added overclocking features, i'd say if the potential for a 20% better CPU is important, hold out and see how Haswell does, if not, then just cut costs and go with ivy, a cheaper board etc Gotcha, thanks. Any motherboard recommendations in case he for some reason doesn't want to wait? (I definitely am, but it's not my money heh). And woops, I didn't realize that was a 1x8GB stick. Something like this? (An asus P8Z77). Sorry, I'm not too familiar with motherboard stuff. Although for the record, I doubt he'll be overclocking anything over 4.5ghz. | ||
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
Currently Have: Intel QuadCore (socket 775¿? will check when at home ;dont remember the exact one , was of the cheaper ones) Asrock Cheapo Mobo 4Gb RAM Radeon HD 6850 PSU: NOX Urano 650w Have never OCd but would consider doing a mild OC it in the future if the performance boost is good. with this in mind i am considering this mobo-chipset-RAM upgrade with a new processor vent: Intel Core I5-3570K 3.4Ghz Box Socket 1155 Asrock H61M-DGS G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600 PC3-12800 8GB 2x4GB CL9 Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler Everything goes for 320€ aprox (@ www.pccomponentes.com) Have no Idea about the RAM or Motherboard , I went as cheap as I could get ; the Mobo says it accepts K processors , but does that mean i'll be able to do a mild OC if I want in the future? is better to buy another Mobo having in mind I will be using this PC only for gaming? | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On April 16 2013 20:26 Meatloaf wrote: want to upgrade some parts in the coming months and i would like your opinion on this Currently Have: Intel QuadCore (socket 775¿? will check when at home ;dont remember the exact one , was of the cheaper ones) Asrock Cheapo Mobo 4Gb RAM Radeon HD 6850 PSU: NOX Urano 650w Have never OCd but would consider doing a mild OC it in the future if the performance boost is good. with this in mind i am considering this mobo-chipset-RAM upgrade with a new processor vent: Intel Core I5-3570K 3.4Ghz Box Socket 1155 Asrock H61M-DGS G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600 PC3-12800 8GB 2x4GB CL9 Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler Everything goes for 320€ aprox (@ www.pccomponentes.com) Have no Idea about the RAM or Motherboard , I went as cheap as I could get ; the Mobo says it accepts K processors , but does that mean i'll be able to do a mild OC if I want in the future? is better to buy another Mobo having in mind I will be using this PC only for gaming? Ram/cpu is good, need a Z77 motherboard to overclock. Also the hyper TX3 is quite loud at top speed, it is totally worth spending a little more and getting a hyper 212 or something else (I have both, I hate the TX3). And also if you are waiting a couple of months then a new batch of cpus will be coming out, which might be worth waiting for. | ||
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
DELL UltraSharp U2312HM is @ $200 http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-2807&baynote_bnrank=1&baynote_irrank=0&~ck=baynoteSearch | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 16 2013 20:26 Meatloaf wrote: want to upgrade some parts in the coming months and i would like your opinion on this The newer Intel CPUs will have come out by then. You should wait if you don't need the upgrade now. | ||
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