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@dunc: The hard drive, DVD drive, card reader, and TV tuner are worth taking, but nothing else.
Core i5-2500 (or i5-2400, or i5-2300)
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41225&agid=1617
Asus P8H67 (actually, just get whatever socket 1155 motherboard is cheap and actually in stock)
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41300&agid=1601
Corsair 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28039&agid=1192
Palit GTX 460 1GB
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=36451&agid=707
Antec 300
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=23029&agid=631
Super-Flower Amazon 450W
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=30074&agid=1627
That should be under budget. If you want to spend up to 700 Euros, maybe get a new hard drive, a better power supply to last through several computer builds (e.g. XFX Pro 650W, review), a better case (also can last through several builds), 8 GB of RAM rather than 4 GB, or something like that. You can upgrade the GTX 460 to a HD 6870 or something like that, but you're not going to need the extra performance for SC2.
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1 x 8-poliger PCI Express-Stromanschluss mit abnehmbarem 2-poligem Abschnitt
sounds like it doesnt have the 2 pcie for a 460
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no way, gotta have DAT BIOS :D
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On January 14 2011 12:51 Myrmidon wrote:@dunc: The hard drive, DVD drive, card reader, and TV tuner are worth taking, but nothing else. Core i5-2500 (or i5-2400, or i5-2300) http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41225&agid=1617Asus P8H67 (actually, just get whatever socket 1155 motherboard is cheap and actually in stock) http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41300&agid=1601Corsair 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28039&agid=1192Palit GTX 460 1GB http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=36451&agid=707Antec 300 http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=23029&agid=631Super-Flower Amazon 450W http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=30074&agid=1627That should be under budget. If you want to spend up to 700 Euros, maybe get a new hard drive, a better power supply to last through several computer builds (e.g. XFX Pro 650W, review), a better case (also can last through several builds), 8 GB of RAM rather than 4 GB, or something like that. You can upgrade the GTX 460 to a HD 6870 or something like that, but you're not going to need the extra performance for SC2.
You are amazing, thanks a lot!
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OK I have finished my computer and started it up. It turns on, but it won't read an Operating system disc in the drive. Are there things I have to do in my BIOS before installing an operating system? (Also, I plan on installing my old XP Home 32-bit OS until I buy Windows 7). Is there a BIOS walkthrough somewhere or do you guys have any advice?
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On January 14 2011 13:07 Toobz wrote:
OK I have finished my computer and started it up. It turns on, but it won't read an Operating system disc in the drive. Are there things I have to do in my BIOS before installing an operating system? (Also, I plan on installing my old XP Home 32-bit OS until I buy Windows 7). Is there a BIOS walkthrough somewhere or do you guys have any advice?
You have to set your boot device to your DVD drive. Once you finish installing your operating system, make sure to set your boot drive to your HDD.
If you went with an ASUS mobo. Press Delete to get into the BIOS and than there should be boot devices at the bottom of your screen that are draggable. Just drag the DVD drive to the first position (<<<).
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When I try to install an OS, I get a message saying
Disk boot failure, insert system disk and press enter.
I have my disc in the drive, and I hear it spinning, but every time I push enter it just comes back with that same message.
EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot some connections. Installing XP 32 bit now :/
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On January 14 2011 12:58 semantics wrote:
1 x 8-poliger PCI Express-Stromanschluss mit abnehmbarem 2-poligem Abschnitt
sounds like it doesnt have the 2 pcie for a 460
That's what the molex->PCI-E power adapters are for IMO (should come with the GTX 460). It's got 6 molexes. Surely 2 of them can be spared for adapter duty.
On a side note, what's with all these decent 430-500W PSUs with only 1 PCI-E power connector? wtf. I guess all the companies really do want you to buy the high-end stuff with twice the power capacity that you will actually use. Higher profits gogo.
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wire length and braiding cables all cost money along with giving you more wires.
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On January 14 2011 12:58 semantics wrote:
1 x 8-poliger PCI Express-Stromanschluss mit abnehmbarem 2-poligem Abschnitt
sounds like it doesnt have the 2 pcie for a 460
the 8pin can be used with 6pin as well, the extra 2pins can be detached
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Ah hm, I didn't read carefully at all. It does look like it has a 6pin and a separate 6+2pin, so it'd be good to go on pretty much any single GPU.
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On January 14 2011 08:51 Myrmidon wrote:
@MIKster: Here are the parts you would need:
CPU -- Core i5-2500 (or i5-2400 or i5-2300; they are all the same except have a slightly different clock speed and are priced accordingly)
Motherboard -- Any decent LGA 1155 board (H67 or P67) that has all the expansion slots/connectors you need
RAM -- 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM (or 2x4 GB actually, if you want to be safe and have room for heavy image work)
GPU -- Radeon HD 6870 or GTX 560 (GTX 560 not out yet, but will be soon enough)
Hard drives -- enough as you need
Optical drive
Power supply -- a good 430-500W would be plenty. You could run all that fine on a good 380W, but a little extra room is not a bad idea. Lower-cost units that seem to be widely available and reasonably reliable would include Corsair CX series and OCZ StealthXStream II series.
Case -- whatever has reasonable airflow and looks fine to you
That would cost about 700-800 USD, so with 800 Euros this should be fine. Did your budget include the monitor too?
Nope I didn't put the new monitor in that amount. That will cost me about another 150 Euro.
But with 800 US-Dollar = 598,712768 Euro accoriding to Google I should be able to get the whole bundle for about 750 Euro. That would be really sweet! But will that machine last me for the next 4 years aprox? I will look up all those parts now and see how much they would charge me.
Already great thanks!
Edit: Okay I looked up all of the parts and got this composition so far.
CPU -- Core i5-2500 (or i5-2400 or i5-2300; they are all the same except have a slightly different clock speed and are priced accordingly)
My pick: Intel Core i5-2500 Box, LGA1155 - 191 EUR
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41225&agid=1617
Motherboard -- Any decent LGA 1155 board (H67 or P67) that has all the expansion slots/connectors you need
My pick: MSI P67A-C43, Intel P67, ATX, DDR3 - 105 EUR
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=42049&agid=1601
RAM -- 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM (or 2x4 GB actually, if you want to be safe and have room for heavy image work)
My pick: 8GB-Kit A-Data Value PC3-1333 CL9 - 70 EUR
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=29543&agid=1192
GPU -- Radeon HD 6870 or GTX 560 (GTX 560 not out yet, but will be soon enough)
My pick: HIS HD 6870 Fan GDDR5 1024MB Native HDMI 2x Display Port Dual-DVI - 204 EUR
Hard drives
My pick: WD Caviar Blue 750GB SATA 3 6Gb/s - 50 EUR
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=39671&agid=1342
(But is 600 MBps and 7200 rpm fast enough or is there a newer and faster standard?)
DVD
My pick: Samsung SH-223C bare schwarz SATA - 20 EUR
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=29466&agid=699
Power supply -- a good 430-500W would be plenty. You could run all that fine on a good 380W, but a little extra room is not a bad idea. Lower-cost units that seem to be widely available and reasonably reliable would include Corsair CX series and OCZ StealthXStream II series.
My pick: Super-Flower ATLAS Design 450W - 30 EUR
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=24481&agid=1627
Is that a viable choice? Seems kind of no-name and cheap... : /
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Get the Super Flower Amazon 450W or 550W. That particular one is not meant for gaming computers.
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Super Flower Amazon is supposed to be pretty decent. You probably shouldn't go cheaper than the Amazon 450W. Corsair CX430 is a little weak for a 430W unit, so that's the absolute cheapest I would consider.
For (mechanical, and most solid state) hard drives, the SATA revision is not important. The transfer speed is limited by how fast the data can be read and written from and to the drive, not how fast the interface with the motherboard is.
This Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB has a little more space and should be a little faster, for slightly less money:
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=30028&agid=1284
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Hey just wondering what you all think of the build I am thinking of, considering my current computer is getting terribly old, I get decent fps in sc2 but it gets very laggy during big battles, and really cannot play anything over 1v1s, and have had to reformat this past year because of all the blue screens I am getting, and still get it once and awhile (shitty seagate HD is failing).
Right now I currently have:
xnavigator case, AMD athlon 64 3700+ 2.20 Ghz, 2 gigs ram, radeon x850xt, windows 32bit xp pro, as rock dual 939 sata 2, So if anyone needs these parts id be willing to sell for cheap
What I want from a comp:
Just looking to get the best bang for my buck and trying to pick a build where I can upgrade easily. With this build I can upgrade the processor at a later time, add in liquid cooling, and put in another card for crossfire more later on, more ram, etc.
I like reliability, durable, and the option of future upgrading, I'll most likely be playing sc2/black ops/other games on ultra or highest settings (no aa) and streaming games, listening to music, and having chrome pages all open at the same time. Any suggestions I would really really GREATLY appreciate!!
Normally I am the tech savvy one up to date on everything but have been out of the loop on the current parts and looking for suggestions I have come up with:
Case: CM HAF 922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197
Processor: AMD Phenom II 965 BE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727
GFX: ASUS Radeon HD 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121370
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaw Series 8 GB DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311
HD: Hitachi 3 TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145472
MB: AS Rock 890 GX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157188
PSU: Corsair 750 Watt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
OS: Thinking of Home Premium 7 or Pro 7, but what is the difference? I am a current college student who is hardcore into gaming, and going into the labor force so probably pro is the better choose?
Sound Card: Have an Audigy Xfi Xtreme Music that I am milking the life out of and can salvage off my current comp
CD Drive: Have a lg dvd rw that works fine
Not too worried about monitor/mouse/keyboard, as they are gunked up with finger gravy and getting extremely old but I can get those at bb / target for cheap.
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@-Jambi-:
Socket AM3 is getting old. There are no more processors (except maybe 100 MHz speed-increased models) going to be released on it.
A Core i5-2xxx (released last week), which requires an LGA 1155 motherboard, is significantly better for not too much more than a Phenom II X4. Word is that Intel's 22 nm CPUs next year should also be on LGA 1155, so I'd definitely go with LGA 1155. You would want a Core i5-2500, i5-2400, or i5-2300. Core i5-2500k is the only one that can be overclocked significantly, if you're interested in that--otherwise, the others are fine. The k in Core i5-2500k just means the multiplier is fully unlocked for overclocking. benchmarks between Core i5-2500 and Phenom II X4 970
Any reason to get a $200 3TB drive? 2TB drives are a lot cheaper. You could just get a fast 1TB drive (for OS, applications, whatever) and a slower, cheap 2TB drive (for everything else) for much less than $200. There are some compatibility issues with 3TB drives on older hardware too, though I don't think that'd be an issue for you.
Corsair TX series is a little outdated and overpriced (but solid) these days. If you're looking for a PSU that could handle two decent GPUs, this Antec Truepower New 650W for $90 - $20 MIR should be great. It's the same design and pretty much the same as the 750W version, review1, review2. Most bad newegg reviews are mostly about coil whine on a few units, but this problem is supposed to be mostly fixed (and the noise has no impact on the unit's performance). Antec is pretty good about RMAs even for issues like that.
HD 6870 is another option. It's uses about the same amount of power as the HD 5850 while being faster and a little more expensive. In any case, Crossfire HD 5850 or HD 6870 would be fine on a good 650W unit like the above.
@MIKster:
I would be wary of the cheapest cases. They're often made of especially thin metal and are poorly constructed, which make them liable to break if you do so much as look at them (well, that's an exaggeration, but you get the point). The cooling/ventilation is usually poor as well. In the very least, get the Xigmatek Asgard II (also cheap, but not that bad). Think about adding in a 120mm front fan in the space provided, as there is only one 120mm back fan included for cooling. Get a Core i5-2400 or i5-2300 instead to make up the price difference, if you must. They're both already plenty powerful.
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I also wanted to point out, MIKster, that you are paying extra for a P67 which allows overclocking while not getting a processor that can overclock. I would look at the H67 and save some money.
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actually.
If you don’t buy a K-series chip and instead grab a Core i7-2600, Core i5-2500, -2400, or -2300 (along with a P67-based motherboard), you’ll still have access to “limited unlocking.” This basically means you can set clock rates up to four speed bins above the highest Turbo Boost frequency setting available at any given level of processor activity.
So, take a Core i7-2600 as an example. The chip’s base clock is 3.3 GHz. With four cores active, it gets one bin worth of additional performance—3.4 GHz. Four bins above that would be 3.8 GHz. With two cores active, Turbo Boost bumps it up two bins, to 3.5 GHz. Limited overclocking makes 3.9 GHz available in that case. In a best-case scenario, only one core is active. Turbo Boost adds four bins of frequency, yielding 3.7 GHz, and Intel’s overclocking scheme lets you run at up to 4.1 GHz.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-9.html
And looking at that site he wouldn't likely save any money going to a h platform.
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