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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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forkniRAGE
Australia2 Posts
This is my first time building a pc and i am unsure of what to buy in order for everything to work as one. First things first, this is the build i am thinking about doing. CPU – i7 3770k ($339) Motherboard – Asus Maximus V Formula ($340) GPU – AMD 7870 Asus dc2-2gd5-v2 ($308) PSU – HX850 Gold + ($170) RAM – Unsure HDD/SDD – Unsure HSF – Not necessary but would love a silent silent computer Case – Unsure (doesn't need to look good but i prefer the full black/stealth look or see through panels) OS – Windows 7 *The prices above are only from 2 websites and i will be looking into them more as i finalise everything. I plan to build this within the next 2 months depending on time and delivery of parts.* Other details: Overclocking: As i am new to building computers, i would prefer to not overclock as if something goes wrong, i will have no idea on what to do. Budget: I would like to spend around $1,500 to $2,000. The money is not as important to me as the 'value' of the parts. eg. i would rather have a CPU that costs me $300 compared to one that costs $340 with an increase of 5% in performance Lifetime: I would like the computer to last around 5yrs Useage: I will be using the computer mainly for gaming (Dota 2, Starcraft 2, WoW, CS), watching movies and office programs. Other Notes: I will want to be able to game and play a movie at same time as i plan to hook up my tv to my computer and use that as a second screen. Thanks in advance, Alan | ||
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suppeople
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On February 24 2013 15:14 forkniRAGE wrote: CPU – i7 3770k ($339) Motherboard – Asus Maximus V Formula ($340) GPU – AMD 7870 Asus dc2-2gd5-v2 ($308) PSU – HX850 Gold + ($170) RAM – Unsure HDD/SDD – Unsure HSF – Not necessary but would love a silent silent computer Case – Unsure (doesn't need to look good but i prefer the full black/stealth look or see through panels) OS – Windows 7 Overclocking: As i am new to building computers, i would prefer to not overclock as if something goes wrong, i will have no idea on what to do. Budget: I would like to spend around $1,500 to $2,000. The money is not as important to me as the 'value' of the parts. eg. i would rather have a CPU that costs me $300 compared to one that costs $340 with an increase of 5% in performance Lifetime: I would like the computer to last around 5yrs Useage: I will be using the computer mainly for gaming (Dota 2, Starcraft 2, WoW, CS), watching movies and office programs. Other Notes: I will want to be able to game and play a movie at same time as i plan to hook up my tv to my computer and use that as a second screen. If you dont plan on overclocking for a while, i believe you should not get such a high end motherboard. Also that kind of build does not need a 850 psu, needs 500w max really. For ram, all u need is 2 x4gb 1600mhz ddr3 (=8gb). For ssd/hd maybe get a 250gb samsung and a 1tb for storage. Also you might want to replace the stock fan with something like the evo hyper 212. For your case, I guess just choose what looks good (but remember some cases are a pain in the ass to cable neaty, but they look nicer in the end). I see you live in aus, but maybe use newegg.com to look at some reviews. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
eg. i would rather have a CPU that costs me $300 compared to one that costs $340 with an increase of 5% in performance I will be using the computer mainly for gaming (Dota 2, Starcraft 2, WoW, CS), watching movies and office programs. Most likely you cant benefit much or noticably from hyperthreading (if at all) so you could go with an i5 3570k - its performance is identical to 3770k unless you are using the 3770k's hyperthreading feature which only comes into play for heavily multithreaded tasks, stuff like video rendering. Even if you were, it would most likely just be something like +20% time on top of whatever tasks you did IF they maxed out cpu and gained a lot from hyperthreading - whereas game FPS for example, the 3570k and 3770k run exactly the same. You have a lot of budget, so the $80 or whatever difference probably doesnt mean much - you can only really gain from it, but its something to think about if you are value oriented. Id be wary as well as overclocking a 3770k in aus - what ambient temperatures do you have? Its going to be 10-20c hotter than UK id imagine, so the CPU will be, too. For that reason i would try to get a case and RAM that has clearance for a Noctua NH-D14 and make sure to have 3-6ish case fans - they dont have to be noisy, actually 5 slow case fans can provide better airflow and less noise than 3 at a faster speed, for example. That would just help your thermals out as much as possible - the case fans to make your case not gain much heat compared to room temperature and the NH-D14 to keep delta temperature on CPU as low as possible (room temp + CPU temp) As i am new to building computers, i would prefer to not overclock as if something goes wrong, i will have no idea on what to do. Didnt see this line til i was done writing, grr If you're not overclocking you dont need a z77 board (definately not a $300 one) nor the K series CPU, but if you want to invest a little into a decent setup, you probably should. Stock speed is 3.5ghz, you can take 4.2 easily - maybe go to something like 4.5, if you want to push it and are a little lucky 4.7 | ||
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ZeratuLsc2
Canada426 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
first time i will build a pc and i have a very small budget. so maybe this is some kind of unusual challenge for you guys..  i only need a motherboard, cpu, gpu, harddrive (or ssd?!?!) and power supply. i am planing to use my old case and dvd drive...8gb of ram will be sold to me by a friend. that´s it, right?! What is your budget? due to being a lazy student, only 450-500 € What is your resolution? since i am a tech noob i really dont know...i own a 19 inch monitor but i really want a bigger screen...do you guys think, i should invest in a new screen?! What are you using it for? browsing, office, gaming (sc2, cs:go...thats it )What is your upgrade cycle? ?? it should last as long as possible?! When do you plan on building it? NOW!! Do you plan on overclocking? nope Do you need an Operating System? nope Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? nope Where are you buying your parts from? germany - mindfactory.de or alternate.de i hope i did this correctly. thx in advance guys and have a good time! | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
I think you're probably better off keeping your current monitor. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Core i3-3220 - €98 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p787704_Intel-Core-i3-3220-2x-3-30GHz-So-1155-BOX.html AsRock B75M-GL - €49 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p817165_ASRock-B75M-GL-R2-0-Intel-B75-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR3-mATX-Retail.html Sapphire HD 7770 - €96 (cut back here if you don't mind lower graphics settings; this can be upgraded easily later) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p820735_1024MB-Sapphire-Radeon-HD-7770-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Lite-Retail-.html Toshiba DT01ACA 1TB - €53 (cut back here if 1TB unnecessary) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p808828_1000GB-Toshiba-DT01ACA-Serie-DT01ACA100-32MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s.html Antec Earthwatts Green 380W - €40 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p638901_380-Watt-Antec-EarthWatts-Green-Non-Modular-80-.html BenQ GL2460HM ** - €153 (see below) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p832369_24Zoll--60-96cm--BenQ-GL-Serie-GL2460HM-schwarz-1920x1080-1xHDMI-1-3-1xVGA-1xDVI.html ** many other monitor options. This one is a recent 24" 1920x1080 TN with BenQ's AMA for pixel responsiveness (AMA not available on non-HDMI models apparently). For CS:GO I wouldn't want a non-TN, but honestly a lot of the faster BenQ AMVA and other faster IPS panels may be comparable in motion responsiveness or possibly even better than some old unknown TN. It depends. Other than a twitchy game, I'd rather have something like the GW2260HM instead. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Spending in the 50-75 euros range means getting something like he already has. | ||
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grockey
United States51 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If anything, get a USB extension cable and try moving the thing around. If you want, you can try a laptop from right where the desktop's adapter is, though of course that's not really testing the exact same position and conditions. You usually can get a better signal farther up off the ground and not behind metal boxes. In many kinds of indoors environments, sometimes even small changes in positioning can impact signal quality a lot. | ||
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
On February 25 2013 03:53 Myrmidon wrote: 75-100 euros for a monitor? I'd partition much more than that to upgrade an old unknown 19". It's not like browsing and normal usage require amazing hardware specs, and those games don't take too much from the GPU. Core i3-3220 - €98 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p787704_Intel-Core-i3-3220-2x-3-30GHz-So-1155-BOX.html AsRock B75M-GL - €49 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p817165_ASRock-B75M-GL-R2-0-Intel-B75-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR3-mATX-Retail.html Sapphire HD 7770 - €96 (cut back here if you don't mind lower graphics settings; this can be upgraded easily later) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p820735_1024MB-Sapphire-Radeon-HD-7770-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Lite-Retail-.html Toshiba DT01ACA 1TB - €53 (cut back here if 1TB unnecessary) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p808828_1000GB-Toshiba-DT01ACA-Serie-DT01ACA100-32MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s.html Antec Earthwatts Green 380W - €40 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p638901_380-Watt-Antec-EarthWatts-Green-Non-Modular-80-.html BenQ GL2460HM ** - €153 (see below) http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p832369_24Zoll--60-96cm--BenQ-GL-Serie-GL2460HM-schwarz-1920x1080-1xHDMI-1-3-1xVGA-1xDVI.html ** many other monitor options. This one is a recent 24" 1920x1080 TN with BenQ's AMA for pixel responsiveness (AMA not available on non-HDMI models apparently). For CS:GO I wouldn't want a non-TN, but honestly a lot of the faster BenQ AMVA and other faster IPS panels may be comparable in motion responsiveness or possibly even better than some old unknown TN. It depends. Other than a twitchy game, I'd rather have something like the GW2260HM instead. Thank you very much! You think i should pick intel over amd?! | ||
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grockey
United States51 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On February 25 2013 04:57 kinsky wrote: Thank you very much! You think i should pick intel over amd?! AMD has nothing particularly strong in any price bracket for gaming.. Intel beats them flat out once you can do an i5 build and is better at the low end too if you dont want (need) a cheap quad core CPU (that is only cheap because individual core performance is bad) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On February 25 2013 04:57 kinsky wrote: Thank you very much! You think i should pick intel over amd?! Yes, AMD has never released a CPU that is faster than the i3-3220 for games (well, maybe excepting Flight Simulator or a couple other things; definitely not SC2). You would need to overclock some AMD processor, which would require aftermarket cooling and a more expensive motherboard, to beat that. At those kinds of prices, you could just have an i5 or even better—overclocked i5—instead. On February 25 2013 04:59 grockey wrote: I have a USB extension cable, that got me to raise the signal from 1 bar to 2 bars...Part of the problem is that The wireless access point is on the otherside of my house, which I am not allowed to move b/c my parents are afraid that I will mess up their computer... I do have my PC close to the ground, though I do not have much of a way to raise it. Where have you tried putting the adapter? What's the current one look like? Anyway, why would changing the interface to the computer (USB vs. PCI or PCIe) make a difference? You need to find a better spot, a longer extension cable (maybe USB repeater), a higher-gain antenna, and/or a directional antenna pointed towards the right spot. A repeater is a possibility but generally not good and should be considered a hack or last resort, at least for home networks. Laptop wireless adapters tend to perform relatively well because they are often physically placed in better locations for reception and transmission, and wireless connectivity (whether it works or not) is pretty much the only kind of performance difference in a computer that many consumers would notice. They need to pay attention to it. | ||
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grockey
United States51 Posts
http://www.amazon.com/Tenda-W311M-150Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B006GCYAOS I have tried both of these adapters, and the Tenda one seems to work better in all scenarios. I have tried putting the adapter anywhere from the ceiling to the ground on nearly every wall in the room the PC is located. And the only reason I thought a PCI card would work better is because the guy at MicroCenter that I talked to said that if I had a strong signal with my Laptops that the USB adapter would work just fine, but if I had a less than ideal signal an internal card would provide more power to get the signal... or something like that. | ||
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