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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:18 liam33 wrote: That open box motherboard is currently out of stock here in Canada unfortunately. Wait until Black Friday and ask here again and someone will point something out for you from NCIX, or Canada Computers, if you live near one. | ||
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liam33
Canada192 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:30 Blisse wrote: Wait until Black Friday and ask here again and someone will point something out for you from NCIX, or Canada Computers, if you live near one. Ok ill wait until then. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:29 Crosswind wrote: Okay, TL Build Resource Gurus! Question: I want to build a laptop. I hear this is doable, I think it would be fun, but I don't super know how to go about picking ideal parts. I'm looking to basically cram as much power into about a 5 pound computer as I can, spending <$1500. Thoughts on this specific question, and laptop building in general, would be welcome. You guys kick ass. -Cross You're asking the wrong place if you want to build a laptop. You need a very good idea of what you're doing to attempt to design your own, and you have to somehow have access to manufacturer only parts. Someone can probably point you in the right direction, but unless you use a template (what's the point of building it then?) then you'll probably fuck it up completely. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Anyway, cramming a lot of power into something 5 pounds is pretty much impossible, regardless of budget, if we're talking about a single computer. Unless you're hardcore enough to rig some kind of custom chassis and cooling solution, the weight of the chassis and heatsinks for any powerful components is going to be over 5 pounds. That is, unless maybe you're just looking for a mobile encoding workstation, in which case all you might need is just an IVB quad core. What's this for? | ||
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shouri
90 Posts
On November 21 2012 09:07 Belial88 wrote: wow, yea your upload is way too low. Now, I would say you can't really stream on .8 upload, but i think some have made it work with game source like dxtory. Either way, .8 upload is not comfortable. I'm not going to presume to say that that is definitely your problem, but I kinda think that's your problem for sure. Yeah, couple months ago I had 10 upload and a pretty crisp stream. Thanks for the advice. | ||
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eklu65
United States17 Posts
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130782 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233280 Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010 Processor Heat Sink: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223 If I can shave off about $50-100 I would in all likelihood buy a new case, or possibly a SSD. Everything is up in the air, honestly. I'm open to suggestions. Also, I have this power supply currently: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009 and I'm curious about whether it would work or not. I'm not planning on overclocking, so I don't really have strenuous requirements for the 12V rail. Modular power supplies are really cool, and I'd like to eventually switch to one, but if mine is good enough, I'll keep it. Also, the motherboard was kind of a dart board choice. I just chose it because it fulfilled a couple basic requirements. I'm open to new suggestions, same with the video card. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Both your old power supply and the one you listed can handle roughly 3x the power draw of that system. Old one is fine. If you wanted something modular and new, the (new) Corsair HX750 is very good, but something else would make more sense. No overclocking means the cooler in the CPU package box is good enough, so you don't need an aftermarket heatsink. (For that matter, that's one of the worst, most overpriced heatsinks you can buy these days. See all the newegg reviews? That usually means it's a product that has been on store shelves since the stone ages.) It also means an i5-3570 is just as good as the i5-3570k, and a B75 or H77 motherboard more in the $80 range is more appropriate unless you have any idea what kind of extra features on the P8Z77-V LK you'd actually be using. RAM is cheap, but wtf kind of game do you expect will use like 10GB? Actually, until they become 64-bit programs only, they're not going to use more than 2GB... Having way extra memory is like having a work bench that's way too large. If you've already got everything nearby that you need, the extra space with nothing sitting in it doesn't actually make anything run faster. The video card uses a reference-style blower cooler design, which exhausts most of the heat outside of the case but is loud and doesn't cool particularly well (but good enough). Most people using a single graphics card would probably prefer another model, unless you really want to stick with EVGA, which is fine. You can probably afford a new case if you want, so knock yourself out. New motherboard means you need to reinstall the OS, so why not get an SSD while you're at it too? | ||
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Nightops
United States66 Posts
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
http://www.pcgarage.ro/vizualizare-wishlist/595014/ $840 http://www.pcgarage.ro/vizualizare-wishlist/595026/ $616 Is the pricier one worth it? | ||
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ORooK
18 Posts
thanks again everyone. | ||
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On November 21 2012 05:57 poopman wrote: I need a new computer, its time i went from a Phenom I to something else.... Hopefully I'll get some good deals with the upcoming black friday/cyber monday deals What is your budget? Max $800 What is your resolution? Well I need a new monitor so 1920 * 1080 What are you using it for? Mostly games, but I'll also video encode etc. What is your upgrade cycle? 2 years When do you plan on building it? This weekend Do you plan on overclocking? If the budget allows it Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? In Canada so NCIX and other online retailers New sales begin tonight, ask again then. Is new monitor part of the 800 budget? Can you get windows for free from school? | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On November 21 2012 22:10 Incze wrote: What can you guys tell me about these 2? http://www.pcgarage.ro/vizualizare-wishlist/595014/ $840 http://www.pcgarage.ro/vizualizare-wishlist/595026/ $616 Is the pricier one worth it? The PSU in both cases is garbage. Try to get at least 80%+ bronze efficiency, although at your budget you might want to look at Gold or Platinum efficiency. The case seems a bit on the expensive side, but it's up to you. Case is 90% about aesthetics, basically. Just make sure to google that case to see it's got good reviews and cooling and such. The i3 build makes a lot more sense if your gaming. The other build is too much for a purely gaming build. I don't really understand too much of the stuff but that's some serious power. What are you trying to do? If your just playing starcraft, that computer is way too much, even for just modern games thats a bit too much power. Are you overclocking? | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:58 Belial88 wrote: The PSU in both cases is garbage. Try to get at least 80%+ bronze efficiency, although at your budget you might want to look at Gold or Platinum efficiency. The case seems a bit on the expensive side, but it's up to you. Case is 90% about aesthetics, basically. Just make sure to google that case to see it's got good reviews and cooling and such. The i3 build makes a lot more sense if your gaming. The other build is too much for a purely gaming build. I don't really understand too much of the stuff but that's some serious power. What are you trying to do? If your just playing starcraft, that computer is way too much, even for just modern games thats a bit too much power. Are you overclocking? The 7770 is pretty weak for modern titles though, some will only be playable at medium, a la battlefield 3. | ||
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
I don't really know anything about cases, I just picked what was recommended to me and I'll get another PSU if that one is bad I'm mostly into gaming. I wouldn't mind being able to run battlefield 3 / assassin's creed 3 / sleeping dogs / skyrim at close to max. I've never overclocked before, to be honest, but I like the idea, so I'll probably try to tinker with it at some point | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On November 21 2012 22:37 ORooK wrote: so hey guys. i know i posted about my issue before, but i just want to clarify the potential problem i have. i currently own a i7 920 chip 2.6ghz rev. A. i tried to overclock it before, but in trying i have to use more voltage than the rev b/c to overclock at the same values. when using prime95 my temps were quite high even overclocking to 3.2 or even 3.0. i even have a cpu cooler from thermaltake i believe but i don't remember and can't fine it on newegg. i bought a new case (silverstone ft02) and plan to rebuild or just build from scatch at this point because i think my combination of my mobo and cpu is bottlenecking my evga gtx 570. sinve black friday is coming i hope i can jump on the deals i need to. thanks again everyone. If your temps are high, that's a cooling problem. I don't know where your getting that you need to buy new everything because your temps are high. Ambient temps also cause heat, there's something like for every 1*C higher in ambient temps, your going to have like 2*C more in load temps. So there's a huge difference between a warm room and a hot room, a cool room and a mild room. Buying a new case isn't going to do much for you, why did you buy a new case? The 570 is a ridiculously strong GPU, but you aren't bottlenecking anything. The i7 920 is a ridiculously strong CPU. There's also about a million other worried people online asking the same question "is my i7 920 bottlenecking my 570". There's better forums to ask for overclocking help. With that kind of equipment, you should probably go there to ask such a question. The overwhelming majority of the errors I've had when overclocking ended up being something completely stupid and irrelevant - floppy disk being enabled, boot priorities, voltage of completely different parts, drivers, motherboard voltages. It's entirely possible something else is going on with your system. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On November 22 2012 01:05 Incze wrote: I'm on a long update cycle, so I'm trying to build a computer that will last me a few years from now (usually 4-5) I don't really know anything about cases, I just picked what was recommended to me and I'll get another PSU if that one is bad I'm mostly into gaming. I wouldn't mind being able to run battlefield 3 / assassin's creed 3 / sleeping dogs / skyrim at close to max. I've never overclocked before, to be honest, but I like the idea, so I'll probably try to tinker with it at some point There's no such thing as future proofing. A core 2 quad is just as outdated as an athlon ii. Nothing is going to last 5 years. Buy a computer for your needs today, and get a new computer when your needs change (or upgrade). If your into gaming you dont need an i7. GPUs are miles ahead of hardware, and hardware is lightyears ahead of software. Games take 1-3 years to design, and are based upon hardware at the time of development, not at release, and not 2 years after release (so sc2 is like 4-5 years old, in a sense). As Rollin pointed out though, the 7770 is kind of weak. You should probably go with the i3 build but beef up the GPU. With video games, you pretty much just beef up the GPU is necessary, it'll be a long, long time before an i3 is not strong enough for games, which are reliant on the GPU. | ||
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
and put it with the rest from the cheaper setup? And while I do that replace the power supply and maybe the case to something else (no idea what, though). I'll probably replace the HDD, too, since for just a bit more I could get a better one. How important buffer size for a HDD really is? is it worth spending a little bit more for a 64mb one instead of a 32 or 16? Thank you very much guys for your help! I edited this post to not clutter up the thread. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On November 22 2012 01:22 Incze wrote: How important buffer size for a HDD really is? is it worth spending a little bit more for a 64mb one instead of a 32 or 16? Not important. Just make sure it's a recent 7200rpm drive and it will be dandy. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On November 22 2012 01:22 Incze wrote: Then could I take the video card from the higher budget one, namely MSI Radeon HD7850 Twin Frozr III OC 2GB DDR5 256-bit and put it with the rest from the cheaper setup? And while I do that replace the power supply and maybe the case to something else (no idea what, though). I'll probably replace the HDD, too, since for just a bit more I could get a better one. How important buffer size for a HDD really is? is it worth spending a little bit more for a 64mb one instead of a 32 or 16? Case: Just google good case roundups. You really dont even need a case, many people... build them out of legos, use cardboard boxes, whatever. My point is that case is really irrelevant. Look up falcons logical increments buying guide for some good cases (at every price point). You could really just get the cheapest case possible, makes absolutely zero difference, or just use the case on the computer your using now. Whatever case you choose, just google it to make sure it's good (there are better and worse cases for every price point, but the case is still very unimportant). You need to pick a PSU with at least 80%+ Bronze rating. Given your price point I was suggesting gold or above but if you arent overclocking i guess it doesnt matter. Any 400+ watt PSU will be more than enough power, unless you plan to SLI. There's already been a few good PSUs recommended in this thread. It's more about quality of the PSU than wattage, or, the wattage on the 12v rail, which is more or less depending on the quality of the PSU, or true amperage on the 12v rail. The PSU you picked out was terrible, in both builds. It's not that it didnt have enough wattage or the price was too low or high. paying more for buffer size isn't worth it. RPM is more important, and even then paying more than 7200rpm isnt worthwhile. You really want platter density, if anything, but again, doesnt really matter. Just get the cheapest Samsung/WD/Seagate 7200RPM sata drive you can, performance on HDD is less important even than performance on RAM. If you insist on spending money, put it towards cpu or gpu, or psu. | ||
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OKScottish
United States217 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519&IsNodeId=1&Description=asrock z77&bop=And&CompareItemList=-1|13-157-330^icn_ironegg_overlay_125x94#,13-157-296^13-157-296-TS,13-157-293^icn_ironegg_overlay_125x94# | ||
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