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On July 31 2012 16:48 SFGIANTS91 wrote:
also another edit LOL would it be cheaper just to buy parts by themselves? and would a circuit city or similar store have better pricing than newegg or tigerdirect?
I can answer that. Buying from Circuit city or other technological stores (i.e Future Shop, Best Buy etc), will give you a smaller range of products to choose from for higher prices. It's a much better choice to buy online, unless you find an incredible deal in a store. If you manage to find something in store that has a lower cost than online (including shipping fees), by all means take advantage.
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Hi guys,
My current rig is as follows
asus p5qpl-vm epu
q9550 @ 2.83 ghz
4gb DDR2 800mhz
MSI GTX 560 Ti 2gb edition
500gb 7200rpm HDD
700w PSU
over the last few years this has served me fine, but as of late it's really started to struggle with pretty much everything and i'm not sure which part is starting to let me down. What do you guys think is the most likely culprit? and what should i replace/upgrade it with? am looking to keep the cost down as i'm currently saving up rent money for my 2nd year at uni.
Thanks a bunch!
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On August 01 2012 04:30 laoji wrote:
Hi guys,
My current rig is as follows
asus p5qpl-vm epu
q9550 @ 2.83 ghz
4gb DDR2 800mhz
MSI GTX 560 Ti 2gb edition
500gb 7200rpm HDD
700w PSU
over the last few years this has served me fine, but as of late it's really started to struggle with pretty much everything and i'm not sure which part is starting to let me down. What do you guys think is the most likely culprit? and what should i replace/upgrade it with? am looking to keep the cost down as i'm currently saving up rent money for my 2nd year at uni.
Thanks a bunch!
It would help if you told us exactly what games you are playing. It might not be 100% hardware either, maybe you need a disk defragmentation or a clean windows install.
Edit: Im not 100% sure but you might be able to even OC your cpu to something like 3.83 with a relatively small investment in a cooler.
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which processor is best for streaming sc2? i7 2700k, i52500k, i53750k, i73770k? or other? can you maybe list them in order if there are any higher ones that are good because they get expensive after these ones
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Server stuff (that's possible for consumers to buy)
i7-3970x, i7-3930k
i7-3770k, i7-3820, i7-2700k, i7-2600k
FX-8***
i5-3570k, i5-2500k
If you'd rather have the game run smoother and don't want to put up with massive power consumption / heat overclocked, ignore the FX-8***. For all these, you want to overclock them for more performance for better streaming (or just turn down the quality a bit). Actually, the i7-39xx use quite a bit of power too, overclocked. That's over most peoples' budgets though.
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On August 01 2012 11:27 aBstractx wrote:
which processor is best for streaming sc2? i7 2700k, i52500k, i53750k, i73770k? or other? can you maybe list them in order if there are any higher ones that are good because they get expensive after these ones
It all depends how good the streaming you are going for.
More expensive CPU = faster (usually)... For most people a 2500k will be sufficient for a nice 720p stream, if you looking for something above that, a 2600k or 3770k overclocked with a good cooler are better and will allow you to stream 1080p with a decent frame-rate. If you have money and have no problem spending it to get the absolute best stream quality buy a 3930k however it's not really needed unless you're a tournament organizer type of person.
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Shitty case.
Get CPU and motherboard in combo.
Why would you pay $54 for Corsair Vengeance? Absurdly tall heatspreaders, your case doesn't even have a side window, and none of your other parts even look nice together.
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If you're spending that much money, you may as well get something that's not a $30-35 case that's now priced at $50 somehow. I said the HAF X was unnecessarily large and expensive, but you needn't get something junky. If you're going to Microcenter anyway, pick up a HAF 912 while you're there for $50:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0343331
$75 is a bit much for an older 500GB 7200rpm hard drive (Barracuda 7200.9). You can get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB for $60 today:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181
Most importantly, avoid the Acer. If you really want a 120Hz monitor, you want something else. And at current prices, what with the Samsung options being like $380+, you may as well just get a BenQ XL2420T (not to be confused with the XL2410T).
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Pretty sure we've discussed this before but the Acer 120hz monitor is complete shit. There is a monitor thread with some good alternatives that don't suck balls.
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Your choice to use the IGP of the 3570k is a bit unusual, but if you're really only interested in low quality, it should be okay. You could possibly skimp some more by leaving out the DVD player. Usually you only need it to install Windows, but if you can borrow one or scavenge one from an old computer, that'll do. SC2 can be downloaded from Blizzards website.
I would recommend getting a third party cooler for your CPU. The stock cooler is okay for running the CPU at default speeds, but quickly falls short when overclocking. And since streaming performance is determined almost exclusively by your CPU performance, a bit of overclocking doesn't hurt.
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On August 01 2012 23:19 Rannasha wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Your choice to use the IGP of the 3570k is a bit unusual, but if you're really only interested in low quality, it should be okay. You could possibly skimp some more by leaving out the DVD player. Usually you only need it to install Windows, but if you can borrow one or scavenge one from an old computer, that'll do. SC2 can be downloaded from Blizzards website.
I would recommend getting a third party cooler for your CPU. The stock cooler is okay for running the CPU at default speeds, but quickly falls short when overclocking. And since streaming performance is determined almost exclusively by your CPU performance, a bit of overclocking doesn't hurt.
Yeah it is a tad unusual but very clever I think. All credit goes to Myrmidon for the proposition.
In a couple months I suspect I'll spend $50 on a nice 3rd party fan and start overclocking but in the mean time I'm going to hold off on that. And good call on the DVD drive. I may actually have one around the house somewhere. Is it ok if the drive is ~10 years old?
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On August 01 2012 23:25 Scorevath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 23:19 Rannasha wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Your choice to use the IGP of the 3570k is a bit unusual, but if you're really only interested in low quality, it should be okay. You could possibly skimp some more by leaving out the DVD player. Usually you only need it to install Windows, but if you can borrow one or scavenge one from an old computer, that'll do. SC2 can be downloaded from Blizzards website.
I would recommend getting a third party cooler for your CPU. The stock cooler is okay for running the CPU at default speeds, but quickly falls short when overclocking. And since streaming performance is determined almost exclusively by your CPU performance, a bit of overclocking doesn't hurt. Yeah it is a tad unusual but very clever I think. All credit goes to Myrmidon for the proposition. In a couple months I suspect I'll spend $50 on a nice 3rd party fan and start overclocking but in the mean time I'm going to hold off on that. And good call on the DVD drive. I may actually have one around the house somewhere. Is it ok if the drive is ~10 years old?
DVDs haven't changed. So if the drive still works, then it should be fine.
^^ EDIT: Scrap the above. A 10yr old DVD drive will probably have a IDE connection rather than SATA. A quick glance over your motherboard specs indicates that this motherboard doesn't have any IDE ports.
edit: Personally I find replacing a CPU cooler very annoying work. You have to disassemble a lot, clean the thermal compound that is left on the CPU, install and then reassemble the whole thing again. With the DVD drive removed from the shopping list, your budget should be able to fit in a decent cooler, which should cost at most $30~$35 . If you get it now, you'll save yourself the annoyance of having to replace the stock one when you do upgrade. Just an idea.
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No, an old drive will be PATA (IDE). Modern motherboards only have SATA ports for drives.
If I were you, I'd try to save the hassle of installing a heatsink only to remove it, clean off old paste, and install a new cooler later. You can just get a Hyper 212 Plus for $20, which is not exactly something that needs to be upgraded (and if that's really required, you could get a different fan or twow).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
Corsair CX430 V2 for $45 before $10 rebate is okay, but I'd rather have something else. You can get the superior CX400 for $35 at NCIX instead (and if you do that, get the optical drive there too, for free shipping):
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=33357
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45244
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On August 01 2012 23:43 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +No, an old drive will be PATA (IDE). Modern motherboards only have SATA ports for drives. If I were you, I'd try to save the hassle of installing a heatsink only to remove it, clean off old paste, and install a new cooler later. You can just get a Hyper 212 Plus for $20, which is not exactly something that needs to be upgraded (and if that's really required, you could get a different fan or twow). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065Corsair CX430 V2 for $45 before $10 rebate is okay, but I'd rather have something else. You can get the superior CX400 for $35 at NCIX instead (and if you do that, get the optical drive there too, for free shipping): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=33357http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45244
If I overclock the 3570k and use the integrated graphics will the Hyper 212 Plus be good enough to keep it cool? And it will fit inside the BitFenix Merc Beta right? Apparently some people have problems with it not fitting inside their case.
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As long as the sample you get isn't machined poorly and you mount it properly, it should be okay. You might lose out a couple or few hundred MHz compared to a top cooler, but the voltage they have to use for the top overclocks is dangerous for long-term usage anyway.
Double check that it actually fits, but AnandTech listed CPU cooler clearance at around 170mm, and the Hyper 212 Plus and most 120mm fan tower coolers are just shy of 160mm.
edit: BitFenix says 165mm. I'm not sure what the issue would be unless you're actually using the side panel to mount extra fans.
http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/chassis/merc-alpha#support
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Yeah you are correct. The case clearance is 165mm and the Coolermaster website lists the Hyper 212 Plus at 158.5mm. As you said it should be ok but I may be limited to where I can put case fans which isn't a big deal.
So I guess I'll add this to the build and then changed the PSU to the CX400. I think the total is at $493. You guys are the best! <333 :D
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I need advice and honest opinions on this build. Where should I buy these parts?
Processor: Intel I3 Quad Core
Motherboard: Asrock H77 Pro4/MVP
RAM: Corsair 4GB
PSU: 430W Pure Power
OS: Windows Home Premium
Monitor: Samsung 21.5 inch(1920x1080)
Case And Graphics Card: Any ideas(needs to be cheap as possible)
Am I missing anything and do I really need an OS?
I need to be able to play on medium smoothly so no need of expensive GC. It adds up to about 500 euro on amazon I really don't want it going over 600. Any changes to make it cheaper are appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Sorry for posting this in the wrong place first time
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I would welcome comments or advice on this projected setup
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K
Motherboard: AsRock Z77 Extreme4. For just a small increase in cost I could use an Asus P8Z77-V which appears to offer significantly more features and possibilities for future upgrades.
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RAM: Cosair XMS3 - 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 Memory Kit
GPU: To be honest this is where I felt most lost. Thinking about this EVGA GeForce GTX 570 HD 2560MB. I looked at the 1280MB version, but the cost difference was relatively low. Any GPU would need to be able to support dual 1920 x 1080 monitors.
SSD: SanDisk SDSSDX-120G-G25
HDD: Western Digital 1 TB Caviar Blue SATA III 7200 RPM 32 MB. Having the SSD I would have been happy with 500GB and 5400rpm, but I couldn't find a good one.
Optical: SATA DVD Drive
PSU: Antec EA-650 Green
Case: Corsair Carbide 400R
Cooling: I don't plan on overclocking immediately. Would additional cooling be advised even without overclocking? If so what suggestions?
Live in UK, I looked at Amazon, Pixmania and eBuyer as I have used them before without major problems. (I linked manufactures product pages because all 3 are dreadful at including a full spec list with the product, or even making clear exactly which model they are showing)
Many thanks for any comments.
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