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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
June 27 2009 19:40 GMT
#1
Sorry if this has been posted before, I searched and didn't find anything.

Fishing around www.gamereplays.org I saw this article on the front page. Quick excerpt:

"Korea is a state of microcosm" - Nick "Tasteless" Plott

On the other hand I have been speaking to lilsusie from teamliquid.net who has direct contact to some progamers here in Korea and I want to bring something here into discussion that we have talked about to each other.

He briefly mentions iCCup, TL, Tasteless, etc. Also Midian, Artosis, and Tasteless along with some WC3 guys are pictured as well.
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I am going to start this post by introducing myself for the readers that don't know who I am. My name is Shaun 'd.Apollo' Clark member of team-dignitas and loyal member and poster at this site for many years through many different games. I am mostly known through my victorious win in the 2007 World Cyber Games for Tiberium Wars followed by my European Cyber Games win early 2008.

I am intrigued by the word "e-sports," I remember the time when I didn't even know that online multiplayer gaming existed. This is surprising because this is how I lived, its what I breathed and admired every single day through my progaming career and still do to this day. I believe that e-sports is the future of online gaming and that it will only increase in popularity if given the correct opportunity through game companies, game developers, communities and of course, sponsors.

I have personal experience that e-sports is growing because before I had won any major tournaments and was just playing behind closed doors, I was afraid to express my opinion outside of the internet for my love towards gaming, I did not know how people would react because of the standard stereotypical nerd image that has been created by the media. That was back in 2003/2004, now in 2009 I am more than proud to talk about e-sports confidently to the media, to friends, to the public and have been playing down the stereotype that was given to us so long ago. Gaming has hit the mainstream and is only going to get bigger.

I have visited many different countries through e-sports and have witnessed how each country has their own believes and understanding of e-sports. America has its widely known Major League Gaming (MLG) for console gaming, Europe has Electronic Sports League (ESL) and Asia has the infamous proleagues, Ongamenet Star League (OSL) and MBC starleague. Theses are the worldwide known leagues, not taking anything away from lower populated leagues as they are just as important. Though these different parts of the globe accommodate different aspects of gaming, where America is dominated by console gaming, Europe being console/FPS and Asia being mainly RTS bread and we all share one love, e-sports!

I am currently living in Seoul, Korea. It is my first visit to this country and wow, I have seen an explosion, the country, the public, actually embrace computer gaming more than any other country I have visited before. I first realized this when I was getting a bus from the airport to the apartment I am staying at, for every one stone you throw, you will find two internet gaming cafes. Once I had finally got back to the apartment, I turned the television on, flicked through some channels and found stations dedicated to the proleagues! Players here are treated like superstars, they walk through the street and people recognize them, ask for autographs and pictures to be taken, its fantastic. I signed up to use the gym here, my first time in the gym, I look across the running machines and 1 in every 10 people are watching StarCraft.

I actually took myself to a local LAN cafe recently and spent few hours in there playing StarCraft, each player that plays in there are sufficiently better than the average non-Korean gamer, I know I got my ass handed to me!
We have spent a few nights in where we just drink beer, take it in turn to play random iCCup games, watch each other play, laugh and just generally have a good time. E-sports has become apart of the majority's life in Seoul and I hope that it can spread worldwide.

"Korea is a state of microcosm" - Nick "Tasteless" Plott

On the other hand I have been speaking to lilsusie from teamliquid.net who has direct contact to some progamers here in Korea and I want to bring something here into discussion that we have talked about to each other. Many people in here in Korea are split over the future of e-sports in terms of StarCraft 2 because the whole community, progamers, fans and public players are actually split over the release of StarCraft 2, half are excited and the other half are actually content with playing BroodWar for the rest of their career. I personally believe that Starcraft 2 will bring all communities together outside of Korea, and I think that Korea will accept StarCraft 2 as their main game over Broodwar, BUT the question remains: will Korea interact with the rest of the world?

With the beta of StarCraft on the very near horizon, the entire RTS world is buzzing in anticipation, players from all games are currently starting to play StarCraft for the first time and older StarCraft players are starting to play again, this already shows me that the date that StarCraft is released is the time 80% of RTS gamers say goodbye to their social life! I do believe that non-Koreans have a good chance to make it good in the game if they are motivated, determined and eager for success.

Now that we have the game about to release, the players that are willing to play, we now need the correct support from mainstream industries to provide the opportunity for everything we all want, the evolution of e-sports. The assistance already provided by companies is fantastic and I believe that it will rise because gaming is no longer stereotyped as a dark and gloomy activity for friendless unsocial individuals, everyone I know enjoys gaming, from a social perspective or a competitive one. Check out these ballers.

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I have been in Korea for two weeks now and have another six weeks remaining. I can actually say that Korea is the country that I have enjoyed the most out of all the others.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 27 2009 20:01 GMT
#2
Shaun :D
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Enteris
Profile Joined June 2009
United States51 Posts
June 27 2009 20:08 GMT
#3
Interesting read. Thanks for linking it Phyre. On the subject of the acceptance of SC2 in Korea, I don't know how likely it will be right off the bat, I mean it took a while for SC1 to become balanced. I don't know about historically, but I'm willing to assume that SC really didn't take off in the pro scene until after they had already done significant patch work on it. Anyone able to bring relevant information pertaining to that?
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 27 2009 20:39 GMT
#4
On June 28 2009 05:08 Enteris wrote:
Interesting read. Thanks for linking it Phyre. On the subject of the acceptance of SC2 in Korea, I don't know how likely it will be right off the bat, I mean it took a while for SC1 to become balanced. I don't know about historically, but I'm willing to assume that SC really didn't take off in the pro scene until after they had already done significant patch work on it. Anyone able to bring relevant information pertaining to that?


Keep in mind that the original SC1 was never really intended to be an e-sport, it was just a game made by a (at the time) very small company. While there was a lot of patch work done later there wasnt nearly as much pre-release patching as there will be this time.

Though if WoW is any indication, it may take Blizzard a while to get balance
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inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
June 27 2009 20:42 GMT
#5
Hahaha rotterdam
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 21:00:59
June 27 2009 21:00 GMT
#6
On June 28 2009 05:39 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
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On June 28 2009 05:08 Enteris wrote:
Interesting read. Thanks for linking it Phyre. On the subject of the acceptance of SC2 in Korea, I don't know how likely it will be right off the bat, I mean it took a while for SC1 to become balanced. I don't know about historically, but I'm willing to assume that SC really didn't take off in the pro scene until after they had already done significant patch work on it. Anyone able to bring relevant information pertaining to that?


Keep in mind that the original SC1 was never really intended to be an e-sport, it was just a game made by a (at the time) very small company. While there was a lot of patch work done later there wasnt nearly as much pre-release patching as there will be this time.

Though if WoW is any indication, it may take Blizzard a while to get balance


You can't compare it with a MMORPG that is in a constant state of flux. You will never achieve the same balance as in Starcraft in such a game, due to the game keeps changing.
ggfobster
Profile Joined April 2007
United States298 Posts
June 27 2009 22:46 GMT
#7
On June 28 2009 05:42 inReacH wrote:
Hahaha rotterdam


yeah ^^ he looks like he's trying to pimp

ToD; looking always cool.
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
June 27 2009 23:35 GMT
#8
Hey I bet d.Apollo is that C&C player that Tasteless has been training in sc.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 27 2009 23:45 GMT
#9
"Korea is a state of microcosm" - Nick "Tasteless" Plott


What the hell does that mean? Is that an actual sentence if you translate it in korean?
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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
June 28 2009 00:15 GMT
#10
Man, this guy is a douche.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
June 28 2009 00:21 GMT
#11
On June 28 2009 08:45 heyoka wrote:
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"Korea is a state of microcosm" - Nick "Tasteless" Plott


What the hell does that mean? Is that an actual sentence if you translate it in korean?

Microcosm:
-a miniature model of something
-a smaller system which is representative of or analogous to a larger one; a small, complete world
-a miniature version of a larger object or entity
-a diminutive, representative system analogous to a larger system in composition, development, or configuration
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
June 28 2009 00:57 GMT
#12
he meant the grammar of the sentence not the meaning of the word microcosm
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-28 01:21:18
June 28 2009 01:21 GMT
#13
Its not whether or not korea wil laccept it. Its whether or not the game will be balanced and successful enough to become an esport (let alone dethrone SC/BW).

Of course korea will accept it , they tried with wc3 but the game wasn't very good (its still a good and fun game but it has many problems with balance and just being understandable from a spectator point of view).
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44032 Posts
June 28 2009 01:31 GMT
#14
On June 28 2009 09:15 RoieTRS wrote:
Man, this guy is a douche.

Shaun is all show. He projects badly but he's seriously cool to hang out with, as long as you don't trust him to look after anything. <3 Shaun.
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Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
June 28 2009 02:00 GMT
#15
Blizzard has said before they want WoW to be an rpg. As such you get rng--random number generator. RPGs have crits, they have things that make it more interesting and "exciting" like hey wow I crit him for THIS much. Starcraft isn't an rpg or an mmo at that so what happens? It does say 12 dmg a hit everytime, period, there's no ranges, no randomness. This is kinda one thing that sucked about wc3 with things like the blademaster critting a lot, it really is random. Now don't get me wrong randomness sometimes makes things more interesting and fun. Look at counter-strike you can play over and over and yet each time it feels a little different, starcraft doesn't really at all if you play the same map. Some maps obviously offer more variety so that's not the case, but yeah I'm not aware of too many random factours in sc2 as far as damage ranges i.e. 12-14, things like crit, etc. are in the game. WoW is a goofy exception its like saying you wanna make an e-sport and an rpg at the same time so you're trying to make things less random while still keeping random things in--on purpose.
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lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
June 28 2009 07:20 GMT
#16
On June 28 2009 08:35 Suc wrote:
Hey I bet d.Apollo is that C&C player that Tasteless has been training in sc.


Nope, that's someone else. Shaun's been staying here at Jamie's for the last two weeks now. He just sits around playing BW and poker all day, drinking every night. I can't hardly keep up with these youngin's...
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Lovin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark812 Posts
June 28 2009 12:33 GMT
#17
On June 28 2009 16:20 lilsusie wrote:
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On June 28 2009 08:35 Suc wrote:
Hey I bet d.Apollo is that C&C player that Tasteless has been training in sc.


Nope, that's someone else. Shaun's been staying here at Jamie's for the last two weeks now. He just sits around playing BW and poker all day, drinking every night. I can't hardly keep up with these youngin's...


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