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On June 15 2009 06:50 Mobius wrote:
if everything can spawn with different graphics this game will be so confusing and shit.. everything should look the same -.-
This is the reason I'm voting no. If you want the game to remain competitive, you need to be able to identify/select/order units without hesitation. Because everyone is buying into the "oh, we should have two models of everything because there needs to be males and females or different tribes," mentality, then the game is going to get frustrating for no reason.
One could argue that the differences would be minor, and you would barely be able to tell the difference, but then why have them at all? Have Starcraft players suddenly decided that they feel there should be some sort of male/female equality in the units portrayed in a video game? Since we're on that subject, why have there not been any units that are Black? What about Asian? Everyone is Caucasian. Maybe we should have units all of different ethnic background, so they all look different, right? No.
The gameplay, especially the balance from Brood War is what made it a great game, not the unit models, which, admittedly were very good. Starcraft 2 looks like a beautiful game, but if Blizzard makes this or other pointless gimmicky additions just for the sake of flavor, then the game is going to get bogged down with all sorts of unnecessary fluff that will only make the game more confusing and/or difficult to play.
Bottom line, if they do add different models for certain units, add the option to toggle said feature so everyone can have it set to their preferences. Another alternative is to have these alternate units appear only in the map editor as a kind of bonus to enhance a UMS map you might make.
tl;dr no
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On June 18 2009 09:59 pieisamazing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2009 06:50 Mobius wrote:
if everything can spawn with different graphics this game will be so confusing and shit.. everything should look the same -.- This is the reason I'm voting no. If you want the game to remain competitive, you need to be able to identify/select/order units without hesitation. Because everyone is buying into the "oh, we should have two models of everything because there needs to be males and females or different tribes," mentality, then the game is going to get frustrating for no reason. One could argue that the differences would be minor, and you would barely be able to tell the difference, but then why have them at all? Have Starcraft players suddenly decided that they feel there should be some sort of male/female equality in the units portrayed in a video game? Since we're on that subject, why have there not been any units that are Black? What about Asian? Everyone is Caucasian. Maybe we should have units all of different ethnic background, so they all look different, right? No. The gameplay, especially the balance from Brood War is what made it a great game, not the unit models, which, admittedly were very good. Starcraft 2 looks like a beautiful game, but if Blizzard makes this or other pointless gimmicky additions just for the sake of flavor, then the game is going to get bogged down with all sorts of unnecessary fluff that will only make the game more confusing and/or difficult to play. Bottom line, if they do add different models for certain units, add the option to toggle said feature so everyone can have it set to their preferences. Another alternative is to have these alternate units appear only in the map editor as a kind of bonus to enhance a UMS map you might make. tl;dr no
this is what i meant, i just couldnt explain it like this champ.
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wow, that has to be like a G+ cupsize
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He makes good points (well most of them). You dont want it to be confusing. However Ive yet to see you guys talk about what to do since their are already 2 Dark Templar models in the game. What are your feelings about a female model if there absolutly positively going to be multiple DT models in multiplayer?
Personally I feel it would be MORE confusing to have just 2 dark templar models. If you include a female ghost then you can market it as a feature of the game "Each Race has a Special Dual Model!"
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On June 18 2009 11:09 Archerofaiur wrote:
However Ive yet to see you guys talk about what to do since their are already 2 Dark Templar models in the game. What are your feelings about a female model if there absolutly positively going to be multiple DT models in multiplayer?
I hate the fact that they are doing the two DT skins. My only hope is that some people in beta give them feedback on how ludicrous the dual models idea is and they change it. However, it could be that, like someone else mentioned, because they are the only permanently cloaked ground unit, you will be able to instantly classify them as being Dark Templar because of the fact.
As of now, however, I don't feel that will be the case, as the extremely bright blue glows from the models' warp blades and armor are bound to give them a drastically different look than the "Zeratul-Dark Templar."
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On June 18 2009 13:01 pieisamazing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2009 11:09 Archerofaiur wrote:
However Ive yet to see you guys talk about what to do since their are already 2 Dark Templar models in the game. What are your feelings about a female model if there absolutly positively going to be multiple DT models in multiplayer? I hate the fact that they are doing the two DT skins. My only hope is that some people in beta give them feedback on how ludicrous the dual models idea is and they change it. However, it could be that, like someone else mentioned, because they are the only permanently cloaked ground unit, you will be able to instantly classify them as being Dark Templar because of the fact. As of now, however, I don't feel that will be the case, as the extremely bright blue glows from the models' warp blades and armor are bound to give them a drastically different look than the "Zeratul-Dark Templar."
You still didnt answer my question.
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On June 18 2009 13:01 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2009 13:01 pieisamazing wrote:On June 18 2009 11:09 Archerofaiur wrote:
However Ive yet to see you guys talk about what to do since their are already 2 Dark Templar models in the game. What are your feelings about a female model if there absolutly positively going to be multiple DT models in multiplayer? I hate the fact that they are doing the two DT skins. My only hope is that some people in beta give them feedback on how ludicrous the dual models idea is and they change it. However, it could be that, like someone else mentioned, because they are the only permanently cloaked ground unit, you will be able to instantly classify them as being Dark Templar because of the fact. As of now, however, I don't feel that will be the case, as the extremely bright blue glows from the models' warp blades and armor are bound to give them a drastically different look than the "Zeratul-Dark Templar." You still didnt answer my question.
On June 18 2009 09:59 pieisamazing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2009 06:50 Mobius wrote:
if everything can spawn with different graphics this game will be so confusing and shit.. everything should look the same -.- This is the reason I'm voting no. If you want the game to remain competitive, you need to be able to identify/select/order units without hesitation. Because everyone is buying into the "oh, we should have two models of everything because there needs to be males and females or different tribes," mentality, then the game is going to get frustrating for no reason. One could argue that the differences would be minor, and you would barely be able to tell the difference, but then why have them at all? Have Starcraft players suddenly decided that they feel there should be some sort of male/female equality in the units portrayed in a video game? Since we're on that subject, why have there not been any units that are Black? What about Asian? Everyone is Caucasian. Maybe we should have units all of different ethnic background, so they all look different, right? No. The gameplay, especially the balance from Brood War is what made it a great game, not the unit models, which, admittedly were very good. Starcraft 2 looks like a beautiful game, but if Blizzard makes this or other pointless gimmicky additions just for the sake of flavor, then the game is going to get bogged down with all sorts of unnecessary fluff that will only make the game more confusing and/or difficult to play. Bottom line, if they do add different models for certain units, add the option to toggle said feature so everyone can have it set to their preferences. Another alternative is to have these alternate units appear only in the map editor as a kind of bonus to enhance a UMS map you might make. tl;dr no
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No the question about why/why not have female ghosts if 2 Dark templar models are already in the game. I get that you dont want multiple units but I am asking you specifically if there already are going to be multiple units in the game then how do you feel about it.
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Well, like I said, I'm hoping against hope that both Dark Templar models won't be in the final game. For melee, anyway. Regardless, the only reason this poll has over 80% in the "yes" category is because "lol bewbies guyz so cool." There's no reason to put another model in when it's not going to have any real benefit.
I'd rather the developers work on something that matters and release the game as soon as possible rather than wasting time deciding whether or not to be politically correct and put some women in the game because "Hey, women can fight, too!" If ghosts were all female, I wouldn't care either, so it's not a matter of being "sexist" or anything of the kind; it's the fact that the models will cause confusion if they look too different, and be pointless if they look the same.
Q.E.D. there's absolutely zero justification to be working on these models or putting them in the game, for that matter, instead of balancing gameplay and tweaking mechanics.
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On June 18 2009 13:18 pieisamazing wrote:
Regardless, the only reason this poll has over 80% in the "yes" category is because "lol bewbies guyz so cool."
You have no poll (or any evidence actually) to support this claim. And also its pretty obvious now that you are avoiding my question.
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On June 18 2009 13:23 Archerofaiur wrote:
You have no poll (or any evidence actually) to support this claim. And also its pretty obvious now that you are avoiding my question.
So, are you always this much of a clueless poster? I mean, you can type in English, apparently, but can you read? Do you lack comprehension?
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Contrary to pieizamazing, I don't want the game as soon as possible, I want the game as good as possible.
I'm not saying introducing females will make this game a good game, but it would be better that way, it brings something more.
And I smile when I hear about "usefullness", in matter of graphics, almost everything is objectivly kind of useless anyway.
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I'm pretty sure everyone who played the original religiously care's more about the gameplay and the competitiveness rather then there being female models in the game. The only thing it would bring, if I may use your terminology, is a hassle.
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I definitely don't like the model with the big boobs. It's like she's wearing two backpacks and i doubt she can run 100 meters faster than a 7-year-old girl. Apart from that i don't mind having two models as long as they don't lead to confusion and they don't use double-bladed scythes.
Edit: Keep big boobs in the porn industry and use sporty figures for special ops characters.
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The poll/op didn't say anything about having both models, did it? (edit: oh.) If there's not going to be a medic, maybe there ought to be at least one female unit for the chick nerds out there who make up part of the market. Maybe all ghosts could be women just like medics in bw.
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On June 18 2009 11:09 Archerofaiur wrote:
He makes good points (well most of them). You dont want it to be confusing. However Ive yet to see you guys talk about what to do since their are already 2 Dark Templar models in the game. What are your feelings about a female model if there absolutly positively going to be multiple DT models in multiplayer?
Personally I feel it would be MORE confusing to have just 2 dark templar models. If you include a female ghost then you can market it as a feature of the game "Each Race has a Special Dual Model!"
each race EXCEPT the zerg has a dual model so i think that they might have a model with that on the zerg maby for infested terrans?
think about it
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On June 18 2009 22:09 Zabestrial wrote:
each race EXCEPT the zerg has a dual model so i think that they might have a model with that on the zerg maby for infested terrans?
think about it
LOL thats actually not a bad idea at all. What could be variable then mutant terrans?
I like it Zabestrial.
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On June 18 2009 06:11 Blunket Crow wrote:+ Show Spoiler [pic] +You drew that for your first post? Nice. I think this is a good version, but SC needs some diversity! A badass looking female in a suit similar to this would suffice. What do you want me to do? Make pronounced hips and tits-armor? Just add a female voice and it's all clear. But I'll give it a shot!
That tail is the second thing to make me snort rice today, the first being cgrinker's blog. FFFUUU
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