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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 30 2008 17:49 GMT
#21
So long as the Korean event organizers pick up SC2, I'm sure that nearly all (if not all) of the current progamers will at least give competitive SC2 play a shot.

We'll see the players with the best mechanics rise to the top at first, then as the game settles in and play matures a bit, we'll see those who are truly good at SC2 rise to the top while everyone else kind of filters out.
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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
June 30 2008 18:08 GMT
#22
On July 01 2008 02:49 PH wrote:
We'll see the players with the best mechanics rise to the top at first, then as the game settles in and play matures a bit, we'll see those who are truly good at SC2 rise to the top while everyone else kind of filters out.

No its the other way around, early on its those thar are smartest and thus got the best game knowledge who will do well, and after a while when every muppet have learned the game theory its almost only mechanics left.

Sure theory is very important even in the end just tha ta lot more have it then, and mechanics still plays a large role early but you can't really compete if your starts sucks.(And yes the early strats in most games usually sucks and can be beaten just by being more inventive than most are)
Amilam
Profile Joined July 2008
Korea (South)2 Posts
July 14 2008 08:00 GMT
#23
Assuming that SC2 largely replaces the SC scene I doubt you'll see any old pros come out of retirement and become top tier players again. If you look at the high level competive scene from other popular games with sequels you very rarely see the long retired vet coming back and being a force. This is even true when the sequel is distinctly different from the original. Having to at some level go back to the drawing board in theory should close the gap between retired vets and the existing top tier, but it's rarely the case. Distinct sequels let the door open for the unknown young guns.

However, if SC2 is successful, but to the point of running alongside SC1 and not replacing it then maybe. If the competitive gaming market in Korea were to grow and support both games then you'd have a much larger pool of progammers. Being top tier level in both games just isn't likely and if there's still good money to made playing SC1 I think most of the current talent would stay there.

Still, being a progammer in Korea is pretty grueling and not particularly rewarding unless you're an all star. A lot of vets retired because they had moved on. I'm sure people like Boxer are busy with college or their careers.
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
July 14 2008 08:26 GMT
#24
On July 14 2008 17:00 Amilam wrote:
Being top tier level in both games just isn't likely

Its impossible, not just not likely. I mean, how many progamers are top tier with two races? And two races are a lot more similar than these two games.
mish_ka
Profile Joined June 2008
Bulgaria26 Posts
July 14 2008 08:28 GMT
#25
On June 29 2008 21:47 MrRammstein wrote:
If Blizzard keeps at least MBS in do you think we will see old veterans like Boxer becoming new top greatest?

Garimto that currently commentates GomTV often says (AFAIK) current Protoss players play not as good as they could... I think he means micro, like pulling back in PvT in time before Siege Tanks eat Goons... do you think he could come back or stay with commentating?


I think I can imagine Boxer and Garimto do some micro techniques in the first few months, yeah. I have no idea if they can keep it up though. But it would be great seeing them even for a few months, yeah.
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Amilam
Profile Joined July 2008
Korea (South)2 Posts
July 14 2008 08:42 GMT
#26
On July 14 2008 17:26 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2008 17:00 Amilam wrote:
Being top tier level in both games just isn't likely

Its impossible, not just not likely. I mean, how many progamers are top tier with two races? And two races are a lot more similar than these two games.


You're probably right. I thought about the top tier 2 races as well, but there is only one thing that made me be a bit more conservative. I think a big reason why pros play only one race is that's its the race that perfectly matches their game personality. However, what if the "feel" of the races stays in SC2? In the Street Fighter competitive scene, it's rare, but you do see some top level players that can do both the SF2 turbo and SF3 Third Strike. The thing is even if they don't play the exact same character (unless you play Ryu, Ken, or Chun Lee you can't) they found a character that "feels" right.

It's a bit of an apples and oranges comparision of course. I mean competitive SC is much more demanding than SF, but I thought it at least had a chance of happening.
liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
July 14 2008 08:47 GMT
#27
MBS IWLL RUIN STARACRAT TWO BECAUSE SAWPEOPLE IWLL HAVE LESS APM
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zgl
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1055 Posts
July 14 2008 09:06 GMT
#28
I think what keeps many of the old school greats from being top again is motivation. Long before oov officially retired, the fire was gone from his eyes. It was sad to see for an oov fan who watched his games during his prime.
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
July 14 2008 11:45 GMT
#29
On June 29 2008 21:47 MrRammstein wrote:
If Blizzard keeps at least MBS in do you think we will see old veterans like Boxer becoming new top greatest?

Garimto that currently commentates GomTV often says (AFAIK) current Protoss players play not as good as they could... I think he means micro, like pulling back in PvT in time before Siege Tanks eat Goons... do you think he could come back or stay with commentating?


Garimto already played sc2 like many other pros and currently is unimpressed with the new UI. mbs and automing remind him of war3.
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Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-14 12:59:54
July 14 2008 12:59 GMT
#30
Man, you know what would be awesome? If they were to take out the replay feature and just have a SC2 live feature where you can watch games in VOD mode or do live telecasts directly, so players get some info, but not all of it.

Replays should come with the expansion I guess to give those fruitful minds the benefit of the doubt and excel at the beginning.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 14 2008 13:12 GMT
#31
foreign protosses are gonna rape shit until the first balance patch
best way to win was by being cheesy and obnoxious, since theres so much gay stuff you can do and mechanical skill is pretty much irrelevant.
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
July 14 2008 16:15 GMT
#32
My opinion on this has always been it's pretty obvious many SC players will try to pick up SC2, but I think the relative skill of the players won't look like it does now, i.e. if it came out tomorrow, Flash, Jaedong, and Best wouldn't be top players in a few months.

I think that while many of your favorite players will be around, only a few of the great SC players will also be the great SC2 players, just a hunch.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 14 2008 18:15 GMT
#33
it is much more likely that the foreign greats would make a cameo, because they are not part of the organized institution that is the korean progaming scene which includes the team house and orgainzed practice. Being rather independant their transition should be easy and free, rather than progamers who work off of hard contracts and whatnot.
Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
July 14 2008 18:28 GMT
#34
On July 14 2008 21:59 Showtime! wrote:
Man, you know what would be awesome? If they were to take out the replay feature and just have a SC2 live feature where you can watch games in VOD mode or do live telecasts directly, so players get some info, but not all of it.

Replays should come with the expansion I guess to give those fruitful minds the benefit of the doubt and excel at the beginning.


Probably one of the best ideas I've heard yet. I mean that's one thing I tend to dislike about RTS is that once a game gets to a certain point, its cookie cutter out the ass and no one does anything new. Its hey look at what this guy did in a replay, let's copy it! New rts games are so much fun figuring out strats you made completely on your own. I really don't see the feature being implemented, but it really would be cool. I just see it as millions playing, couple good players get their strats/bos copied by millions and away we go!
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Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
July 14 2008 21:18 GMT
#35
That was one of the cool about pre-bnet era WarCraft 2, there wasn't even a "shared vision" function let alone a replay function (something which Blizzard never bothered to develop because they abandoned the game completely after the release of SC, but was later coded by members of the community) so people were using strats they truly figured out all by themselves, playing their "own game" so to speak.

Sadly times like that will never return and there isn't a snowball's chance in hell Blizzard is going to leave out something as basic as a replay function.
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Ki_Do
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)981 Posts
July 14 2008 21:38 GMT
#36
@topic
we dont even know if sc2 will have enough power to become our new national sport!
if this lack of macro/plus micro proceed it will be more likely wc3 in terms of esports.
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Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
July 15 2008 03:36 GMT
#37
I don't wanna steer this topic offcourse, but sc did not become popular because of micro and macro, the terms didn't even exist years ago really. If its fun and players can capture the magic of the game, that's what will give it the stream to lead the way.
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SlickR12345
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Macedonia408 Posts
July 15 2008 06:33 GMT
#38
WTF? What kind of question/comment is that?
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KiN2
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden18 Posts
July 15 2008 12:41 GMT
#39
Im 99% sure that old players like Slayer will try out SC2, no doubt that they will play it but i don't think they will start PLAYING officially :/ (Slayer=Best T ever)
Sentynal
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada8 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-15 13:15:04
July 15 2008 13:14 GMT
#40
On July 15 2008 06:38 Ki_Do wrote:
@topic
we dont even know if sc2 will have enough power to become our new national sport!
if this lack of macro/plus micro proceed it will be more likely wc3 in terms of esports.


Starcraft 2 has everything it needs to be your new national sport. What it's about is the spectators' view of the game through the observer. Having more focus on micro makes it more epic for the viewer during battles while the addition of MBS doesn't hinder the experience at all.

If MBS and automine was the only problem with WC3, I would be playing it right now...
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