[O] WWI Starcraft 2 information - Page 3

On June 29 2008 18:00 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Hehe I sort of feel that way, it seems a little contrived

Lots of people complain about "sbs being like an arcade game" or whatever, well, this is much closer to that. But we'll see, it could be very good.

On June 29 2008 17:43 ForAdun wrote:
Am I the only one who hates the idea of having to pay extra attention on gas production every few minutes at all gas expansions just because blizzard cannot accept that the much better solution is to remove MBS and automine? This is ridiculous, one useless feature leads to another. They want to make the game more challening but what they really do is destroying the game feel, it becomes so awkward because it forces the gamer to do one-two unneccessary things at certain times to get ahead of his opponent rather than simply letting him manage things better like in SC. That crap reminds me of endless item-management in games like Diablo 2 while you actually want to bash monsters, NO IT IS NOT FUN TO MANAGE ITEMS, NOT FOR COMPETITIVE GAMERS!!)

On June 29 2008 18:20 Klockan3 wrote:

This do not make lesser players games any more complicated at all since you can easily live with less gas and more mins instead.

All the ability does is trade minerals for gas, but it costs a lot of clicks and timing since i assume that the workers do not auto go back to minerals when its done and you have to remember when the next time to gas boost is. For high lvl players gas is worth more than minerals, but for low level players its the other way around so this ability targets perfectly on the learning curve. An average player might use it for rushes etc, a noob wont use it at all and the highend players will use it constantly to pump gas heavy armies.

It might seem more forced than sbs but it certainly is more balanced (Expensive units costs a lot less clicks than cheap with sbs) and do not alienate the lesser players at all.

Atleast to me this solution seems very elegant.

Edit: And I do not thik that every pro wants to get gas over minerals all of the time either, so this is not just a "Do it every time its up" type of ability.

it shouldnt be every 2 minutes it should be max 3 times (2 minutes min intervals) per game
that could add some better strategy

On June 29 2008 19:23 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
That's a horrible solution not only because of reasons already stated but also because for example in tvz when facing many ultras you can kill certain amounts and know he won't be able to remake them all but when you can increase your economy just by clicking something it breaks the whole way economy works

On June 29 2008 20:04 Cheerio wrote:


no it doesn't. You are aware of his ability to boost gas and thus any pumping up of gas-heavy-units shall not be unexpected

On June 29 2008 20:17 Southlight wrote:
I like the idea, but I think a better tweak would be to have it togglable at all times, but rather it drains your vespene resource faster. So instead of the 1:1 ratio we have now (you take 8, the vespene count goes down by 8), you might take 8 but the count goes down 16. The reason why I like the idea is as mentioned before, it's another step of gas toggling, and if it were in SC I can already thinking of some nifty terran metal timing pushes that can be spawned off of that mechanic.

On June 29 2008 19:57 BlackStar wrote:
Strange thing is pro MBS people seem to like it.

On June 29 2008 20:14 HaLLeBaRy wrote:

But you don't know if hes choosing to do it or not.

On June 29 2008 20:29 Klockan3 wrote:

Even stranger is that pro sbs people seems to hate it eventhough its the same thing but in a different package.

And not its not just another button to press. You have to time when the cooldown is ready, just like you have to time unit production. Then you have to go back to your base, select 3 workers which just turned in minerals and then tell them to mine gas, when they arrive at the extractor activate the ability, go back to do other stuff for 30 secs or whatever the time is and then you need to go back and reissue them to the mineral line, repeat when the cooldown is up.

Now, if you do this for several bases macro load will get very comparable to sbs macro however the low-end players wont even care about this since to them minerals is the shit.
In the end, low end players wont suffer at all from this, high end players still get a huge advantage from the macro tasks and everyone should be happy.

Why is this better than sbs? Since its an option. Building units is not an option, its a requirement.


In starcraft you do not know if he choses to have 3 workers or not in the extractor either -_-

On June 29 2008 20:35 HaLLeBaRy wrote:

you NEED 3 workers in the extractor taking some out is only good early game to expo faster thats just crazy no one is going to leave 2 in it.

On June 29 2008 20:35 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
You've got that backwards by the way with sbs it's not just " you have no choice but to make units" you choose which units to make when to make them , this ability on the other hand leans more towards the " do it or you'll fall behind" category