[D] Terran Gunboat Idea - Page 5

On April 30 2008 10:32 Last Romantic wrote:
Currently it's a medivac. How do you take that into consideration?

On May 02 2008 01:38 gwho wrote:
i propose a namechange. something like hover APC - which is what it is. that may be a horrible name, but gunboat really doesn't fit at all. boatboat boat boats go on water. ship can be air or water. but if it goes on land, pleaes don't call it a boat. esp if it converted from the dropship.

also, converting/upgrading/evolving a unit is a very zerg race mechanic, and if something like the gunboat was to be made, it should be a separate unit, or construction by the scv, not a conversion from an existing unit.

question: if it's comparable to an ultra in tanking abilities, the thor then really gets pushed out of its niche, as already troubled that it is with the seige tank.

On May 02 2008 05:35 minus_human wrote:
This idea is actually very good and interesting, imho. The problem is that Blizzard, although following suggestion, will refuse to adopt a concept entirely created outside of their dev team

Yet this still is very promising

On May 02 2008 06:03 5HITCOMBO wrote:
You're calling this flying dropship a boat?

That's like calling a submarine a gunplane.

Gunboat/Gunship >>>>>>>> hover APC, APC is a boring name and this thing flies (possibly in space) so it needs a naval (space) or airforcy (assuming it's atmosphere only) name imo. APC is just kinda meh, it's already an APC before you upgrade it.

Converting/upgrading is a very zerg mechanic since when? Because the only race to have had any evolving is zerg? Yeah, but patching on some armorplates and adding a couple of gun-ports is, lorewise, about as terran as you can get.

In fact, there's precedence for this in the current SC2 build - battlecruisers currently have the choice between upgrading yamato or the air-to-ground plasma thingy, on an individual basis.

I'm strongly opposed to the unit being built on its own as this would 1) remove an interesting terran mechanic 2) take up another slot in the starport. 3) We would have 2 different dropships -_- can't happen.

Finally I don't see a 250 hp flying air unit competing with a X hundred HP ground unit

On May 02 2008 05:44 Plutonium wrote:


The idea for the Supply Depots retracting into the ground was admittedly swiped verbatim from a poster on TL.

The name is my fault, he called it Gunship, I suggested gunboat cause I like that more -.- But I'm obviously alone.

since always. no other unit in SC actually turned into another unit. even archons were a combined unit. even the viking's transformation is reversible, and more like a function than a unit changing into another. THAT is a great terran mechanic, my friend. with the gunboat, we're talking along more parallel lines of overlord->overseer, with dropship->gunboat.

i don't understand what u mean.

since always. no other unit in SC actually turned into another unit. even archons were a combined unit. even the viking's transformation is reversible, and more like a function than a unit changing into another. THAT is a great terran mechanic, my friend. with the gunboat, we're talking along more parallel lines of overlord->overseer, with dropship->gunboat.

On May 02 2008 08:50 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Why not just pay upfront for Gunboat instead of the upgrade bit? Upgrade/morphing is so zerg. Why would Terran have to morph their units at all?

If exceptions are made then what's to stop other race characteristics from carrying over with Nth Starcraft games/patch/expansion? Look what happened with WC3 TFT, everybody gets the same units except it's a little bit different. I prefer Blizzard keep each race uniqueness intact. There was ways to implement new ideas without having to cross the race boundaries.

On May 05 2008 00:58 WoodenSpider wrote:
hey, maybe someone already suggested this, or there is some reason not to, why use a dropship to turn into a gunboat? Ok, what would it actually do? Its an ultralisk in the air, right? Terran already have the Viking, reaper, and banshee to do worker hits, so it doesn't need to be fast. So heres the idea, why can't bunkers be upgraded to fly, just like most of the production and tech buildings? They could be the same speed as the other flying buildings, so useless for hit and run, but would still be great tank support, or just all out Ultra style attacks. They would be upgraded or whatever mid/late game, so Protoss would have the long range warp ray to take them out before they got near, and the Zerg corrupter could just infest, so its got an easy counter already.

Ok, so obviously, you can't just have it fly at only 100 min, so somethings gotta give.
1- make bunkers expensive, get them mid/late game something like, give them 50 extra hp, tack on 125 gas or something

2- Make them individually upgrade, like the gunboat, zerg style, maybe call it an addon, probably 100 min, 100 gas

3- Give a super expensive mid game upgrade, like 300 min, 300 gas, and have them be able to lift off then

Anyway, the reason I like this idea is that it makes bunkers useful in the late game. Nobody builds them in SC, because they just get in the way once you start Tank pumping, or whatever, but if they could be useful as a scout-in-force, perfect mutalisk counter for a tank push, or just a frontal attack, sopeople might build them again. Also, I just don't like the idea of making my dropships only be able to carry 4 infantry units. I know, you should think ahead or whatever, but it could get really annoying, needing 2 tanks on a ledge, and oops, I just converted my last dropship into a gunboat, dang. Anyway flying bunkers just sounds like Terran to me, with the whole, "we will adapt to any situation" motto.