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Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy

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Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy

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August 12th, 2025 02:57 GMT
TLMC21
The competitive StarCraft II scene marches forward after the 2025 world championship, and so follows the Team Liquid Map Contest! We're delighted to announce the 21st edition of the 1v1 TLMC, continuing a proud tradition that began in 2011.

TLMC #21, alongside the currently ongoing Team TLMC #5, are aimed at a ladder map rotation in late November. For 1v1, we plan to go through a similar map selection process as the previous rotation, with a portion of the ladder maps decided directly by TLMC voting. We haven't finalized the exact process for map selection at this moment, but we'll be looking to ask for community opinions soon.

As always, we'd like to thank Monster Energy for their continued support of TLMC and SC2. TLMC might have ended in 2023 without Monster Energy, and we're happy to be able to go on contributing to the SC2 community together. While we don't have the platform of Evil Geniuses playing on stage at a 2011 MLG, a "shoutout to our sponsor Monster Energy" was never more deserved.

The map submission stage begins now, and will last until Tuesday, Sep 09 6:59am GMT (GMT+00:00). Please read below for rules and contest details.

Map Submission Guidelines

Most of the restrictions from older TLMC's have been lifted, applying 'freestyle' rules to all submissions. However, this does not mean the intent of this contest is to explicitly reward the most unorthodox maps.

We are lifting restrictions so map-makers have the most tools available with which to create the best overall maps. Maps will be judged in their entirety, where creativity is just one part of the whole.

List of allowed and disallowed features (click)

Besides the explicitly disallowed elements listed above, there are no 'hard lines' regarding the implementation of non-standard features. Please inquire regarding specific features that are not listed.

Please read this list before starting the map creation process. While the rules have been loosened compared to previous contests, we have set limits in order to future-proof maps against later patches and changes, ensure maps are portable to the ladder, ensure units maintain their expected pathing behavior, and to prevent maps from being overly unintuitive.

  • Examples of features that can be included:
    • Healing shrines
    • Heavy or atypical usage of backdoor entrances with Mineral Walls/Reduced Mineral Patches.
    • Inhibitor and Accelerator Zones.
    • Non-standard numbers of mineral nodes or Vespene geysers at bases.
    • Semi-island starting positions
    • Neutral Zerg buildings as 'timed' obstructions
    • 3+ Starting positions
  • Past Examples: Basically every map ever made.

Other Restrictions

  • No custom textures or Force Fields.
  • No custom data which modifies units.
  • Maps must meet Melee mode requirements: Triggers can't be edited, and Data needs to comply with Melee, legibility and QA requirements.

Focus on Quality Assurance

The Team Liquid Map Contest has always welcomed a broad range of submissions within the tournament rules, regardless of the experience of the mapmaker. However, this leads to a number of submissions that do not meet the standards for competitive StarCraft II, or are poorly optimized for in-game performance.

Since we do not wish to tighten the standards for submitting a map, we request that map-makers conduct as much debugging and quality assurance as reasonably possible before submitting maps to TLMC. This will reduce strain on TLMC staff, and help assure that high quality, refined maps are considered for competitive play.

Factors to consider in QA include, but are not limited to:
  • Unit pathing
  • In-game performance (too many doodads is a frequent culprit)
  • Correct line-of-sight blocker implementation
  • Mineral/gas placement
  • Compatibility of natural expansion chokes with standard wall-offs
  • Unintended drop locations
  • Removal of misc. remnants from map creation/testing phase
Please use resources such as video documentation of TLMC map feedback, previous TLMC feedback threads, and community groups such as the “Mappers’ Circle” Discord server to learn more about the principles behind high-end map-making. In particular, community groups can be invaluable for map-making discussion and getting feedback on your maps.

Suggestions and Notes

  • Again, we highly recommend that map-makers submitting maps join the “Mappers’ Circle” Discord server where the majority of participants and staff are likely to be active.
  • For clarification, maps submitted to other map competitions may be submitted to TLMC #21 as well.
  • Maps with insufficient edge-map distance have been an issue in past map pools. While recent map pools have mostly avoided this problem, we still recommend map-makers leave a modicum of air space between playable ground areas and map edges.
  • Overlord high ground scout positions over naturals have a large impact on gameplay and should be sized and placed carefully. We want to remind everyone that while these spots are still acceptable, they are not required, and we’d like to see a greater variety in how they’re placed.
  • When deciding to utilize a gold base, make sure there is some sort of risk associated with them. Otherwise, gold mineral bases with low risk may favor a certain race depending on the specific layout.
  • Be careful when adjusting the number of mineral nodes, Vespene geysers, or rich Vespene geysers at bases, especially in the main and natural, as it could impact balance between races and/or matchups.
  • During the iteration phase of the competition (more on this below), small changes are often more desirable than large radical changes that dramatically alter the map’s direction.


Map iteration/tournament readiness

During the latter stages of TLMC, map-makers will be contacted by TLMC staff in order to fix bugs and make general improvements. For instance, map-makers can make small adjustments to the maps such as changes to Reaper cliffs. Results from our performance tests will also be made available to map-makers who can use those results to improve performance.

Contest Schedule

Note: The default timezone for TLMC is Pacific Standard Time (PST). While countdowns and specific times should be converted to local timezone on the TL.net website, PST will be used whenever we "just" use dates in posts. For example: the end date for submissions is September 8. So the deadline is Tuesday, Sep 09 6:59am GMT (GMT+00:00).

Contest dates may be adjusted as needed.

Submission Phase

August 11 - September 8

To ensure that maps are competition appropriate and have minimal performance issues, please conduct as much quality assurance as possible on your maps before submitting them to TLMC.

Pre-Judging Feedback
We will be offering pre-judging feedback so map-makers can work with TLMC staff to iron out potential issues before maps are officially submitted. All maps that are submitted before August 29 will be eligible for feedback from TLMC staff. Please keep in mind that maps with positive feedback or that have had issues fixed as a result of this review process will receive no additional benefit during judging.

TLnet Judging Phase

September 8 - 22

Once submissions have closed, maps will go through an initial screening by TLMC staff. The remaining maps will be submitted to a judge panel that may include professional players, community figures, and map-makers. Together, the judges will trim down all submissions to a final 16 that will be used in the next stages of the contest. Map-makers win $200 in prize money for each map that finishes in the final 16.

Note: All submissions are anonymized before being sent on to the judges. Only the main admins of the contest have access to participant identities.

Test Tournament & Public Voting

Late September - Mid October

Once judging is complete, we will announce the list of sixteen finalists and commence with the TLMC test tournament.

The test tournament phase allows everyone to see the new maps being played by high-level competitors. Outside the official TLMC test tournament, we welcome any community organizers to integrate TLMC finalist maps into their tournaments as well.

Public voting determines how much additional prize money the map-makers win, and will be factored into which maps are ultimately added to the ladder. During TLMC #20, the top three vote-receiving maps were directly selected for the ladder. For TLMC #21 and the next ladder pool, we have not yet finalized exactly how many of the top vote-receiving maps will be added.

Voting is planned to begin in early October, but may be delayed for a number of weeks if robust testing is ongoing in community tournaments (as in the previous contest).

Iteration Phase

Ongoing after tournament phase

The iteration phase has become vital for map-makers in TLMC. It gives them a chance to fix smaller issues that may have been caught during the tournament phase. Note that smaller fixes are often better than huge changes.

TLMC Winners Announced

Shortly after the conclusion of the voting phase, we will present the final standings. The finalized 1v1 ladder pool will be decided in weeks afterwards, once we have taken progamer opinions and other factors into consideration.

Prize Distribution

Thanks to Monster Energy, TLMC #21 will feature a prize pool of $3750.

All finalist maps (top 16): $200 base prize

First place - $200

Second place - $125
Third place - $100
Fourth place - $75
Fifth place - $50


How To Submit Maps

Submission Rules

  • Map-makers will be limited to five(5) map submissions each.
  • Please designate each map with the traditional TLMC category it most closely aligns with: Rush, Standard, or Macro. Refer to TLMC 18 for the category guidelines.
    • This information will ONLY be used to aid internal sorting alongside other subcategories.
    • There are no submission limitations regarding these subcategories (Example: You can submit 5x "Standard" maps.
    • There is no minimum or maximum finalist quota per subcategory (Example: There could be 0x finalists from "Standard" submissions).


Please PM your map file(s) to TL Map Contest with the below format by September 8. Please title your PMs with the name of the map. You must submit one PM for each map (five maps = five PM submissions). Once your map has been received you will receive a PM back confirming that we have received it. If you have not received a reply within one business day, please contact us directly. We may also PM you back requesting missing information. Your entry will not be officially confirmed until any issues with the submission have been resolved.

If you want to submit a revised map for the contest before the end of submissions, please send us a reply in the original PM chain on TLnet. This to ensure there are no mixups in the submission process.

The submission PM must contain:
  • Map name
  • A download link to your map
  • A picture of your map. Please use the standard 90° top down overview—do not use any angled or tilted images. Please mark start locations and describe any starting location constraints. You may attach additional images to highlight map features if you wish, but the top-down view is most important.
  • The map subcategory (for sorting purposes only): Rush, Standard, or Macro
  • The size (dimensions) of the map
  • Number of bases (note the number of bases with rich minerals and/or Vespene)
  • Main to Main distance (in-game seconds using a worker from town hall to town hall)
  • Top of main ramp to top of main ramp distance (in-game seconds using a worker)
  • Natural to Natural distance: (in-game seconds using a worker from town hall to town hall)
  • Any relevant analyzer images (optional)
  • A description of the map: This is a very useful resource for judges and TLMC admins who are examining dozens of maps, so please try to be both informative and concise. We recommend around 800 characters at most, although this isn't a hard limit.
    • Point out any alternate resources, destructible rocks, or other elements that aren't obvious at first glance.
    • Explain the general concept and style of the map
    • Describe the features that distinguish it from 'normal' maps
    • Check out some of the map descriptions provided by previous TLMC finalists. As a specific example, here is Marras' short description of Stargazers:

      Stargazers offers the opportunity to either play standard games or make things a bit more spicy by opening up the path through the pocket natural.

      Features:
      • There are 12 blue bases in total plus one gold base at the 6 o'clock position
      • The pocket naturals have a standard amount of minerals and gas but the base is blocked by two mineral nodes with the value of 10 per each
      • The minerals blocking the ramp leading from the pocket natural have a value of 40 each making opening up that path a big commitment if done by the attacker
      • Line of sight blockers are situated in the middle area and the bottom of the map
      • The Xel'naga Tower at the 12 o'clock position can see a little bit of the outermost parts of the pocket natural mineral lines.

The map FILE must contain:
  • A short gameplay description: There is a field for this with a limit of 300 chars. You can include some flavor text here, or base it on the gameplay description from your map submission.


Entries not in this format may be excluded from consideration. Please do not send questions to the 'TL Map Contest' account; contact TLMC admin Waxangel instead.

Submit your map


Time remaining for submissions:



FAQ

Q: Do I need to send my map file, or will an image or a link to my map on Battle.net be enough?
We want the map file for this contest, so a link to Battle.net is not sufficient. There will be a huge number of maps to choose from, so we will need to open many of them up in order to check for details that we can't find otherwise. To send your maps, upload them to a file hosting service such as Google Drive, Imgur, Dropbox, or OneDrive and include the link in your entry.

Q: How do I attach a map file or image to a PM?
The Team Liquid PM system does not support attachments. Instead, use an external image/file hoster such as Google Drive, Dropbox, or OneDrive for map files or Imgur for image files. Please send those links along with your submission.

Q: Will the first place map automatically be added to the official ladder map pool?
Barring extraordinary circumstances, the first place map will be added to the official ladder. Public voting will directly decide a number of additional maps as well, although we have not decided on the exact number at this time.

Q: How crazy can my maps be?
While TLMC has relaxed submission guidelines over the last few years, maps still need to be ladder appropriate. Please refer to the first section of this article to check our general philosophy on maps, as well as the detailed list of allowed/disallowed map elements.

Q: I’m interested in the contest, but I’m horrible at map making. What can I do to support the map-makers?
Post in their map threads and give them support, encouragement, and replays on their maps! Giving your favorite map-maker support will be much appreciated by the map-maker. Replays are especially valuable as it helps the map-maker align their design goals with the map with the reality of how people play their map.

If you have any unanswered questions please do not hesitate to ask them below or PM us who will be happy to answer them. Again, we highly recommend you join the “Mappers’ Circle” Discord server.

Best of luck in the competition.
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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1191 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-12 11:18:04
August 12 2025 11:17 GMT
#2
While we don't have the platform of Evil Geniuses playing on stage at a 2011 MLG, a "shoutout to our sponsor Monster Energy" was never more deserved.

I demand a video of Wax destroying a can of Monster.

I miss iNcontroL... RIP.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
ISKCON Kurukshetra
Profile Joined August 2025
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-12 17:35:35
August 12 2025 17:26 GMT
#3
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ISKCON Kurukshetra
Profile Joined August 2025
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-12 17:27:24
August 12 2025 17:26 GMT
#4
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DefianceSC2
Profile Joined March 2019
United States7 Posts
August 12 2025 23:18 GMT
#5
This is awesome news!! I look forward to voting for the next maps!! Great work TL!!!
OldLady1
Profile Joined March 2025
1 Post
August 12 2025 23:31 GMT
#6
The link "Please refer to the first section of this article" seems to point back at this posting, not to something that gives guidance on appropriate map elements. Love it if you could fix this, thanks. Really looking forward to the contest and new maps!
OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada76 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-13 21:42:50
August 13 2025 21:40 GMT
#7
Monster Energy are the MVPs! :D Make sure to pick up a couple cans (White, preferably)

I don’t think I’ll manage to fill up my 5 submission slots with brand new maps due to the large downtime of the Blizzard publishing ban earlier this year. Probably something like:

1) Fear and Faith (finished, alt-standard, confident)
2) Dreams and Scars (almost finished, Foxtrot-style so 3/4 standard, midway confident)
3) Reptilian Regime (half-finished, heavily non-standard, less confident)
4) <unnamed> (half finished, heavily non-standard, less confident
5) and then I think I’m going to submit a modified version of Abacus from last contest where the center is more digestible and with less annoying mechanics like slowzones to fill the last slot, but we’ll see

I worked really hard to give each of my maps a clear and distinct “standout feature” this contest, so we’ll see how that turns out.
Mapmaker from Canada. “Be the change you wish to see in the cushions”.
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States274 Posts
August 14 2025 15:22 GMT
#8
Alright map makers, I want to see Neo Post Youth or something like that.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1197 Posts
August 15 2025 01:13 GMT
#9
On August 14 2025 06:40 OmniSkeptic wrote:
Monster Energy are the MVPs! :D Make sure to pick up a couple cans (White, preferably)

I don’t think I’ll manage to fill up my 5 submission slots with brand new maps due to the large downtime of the Blizzard publishing ban earlier this year. Probably something like:

1) Fear and Faith (finished, alt-standard, confident)
2) Dreams and Scars (almost finished, Foxtrot-style so 3/4 standard, midway confident)
3) Reptilian Regime (half-finished, heavily non-standard, less confident)
4) <unnamed> (half finished, heavily non-standard, less confident
5) and then I think I’m going to submit a modified version of Abacus from last contest where the center is more digestible and with less annoying mechanics like slowzones to fill the last slot, but we’ll see

I worked really hard to give each of my maps a clear and distinct “standout feature” this contest, so we’ll see how that turns out.


Considering the amount of Monster Nitro I have bought in the last two years, I can safely say that I'm a vital part to the survival of SC2.
...but seriously, if you haven't, try that shit. Technically it is just citrus-energy, but the kick is marvelous. Also do good maps, people!
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1191 Posts
August 18 2025 06:11 GMT
#10
I'm once again hoping that we get some smaller maps with six or fewer bases per player.

But that's probably just because all my favourite maps are from WoL...

"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2406 Posts
September 04 2025 00:13 GMT
#11
Phantom
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monitor feat. avex
island at the bottom right
140x140
39s main to main ramp


Heat Sink
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138x140
34s main to main ramp


Double Infinity
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worker-only path connecting all bases
148x132
38s main to main ramp


Tourmalene
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142x142
35s main to main ramp


Time Trap
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132x140
36s main to main ramp
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Monitor
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1897 Posts
September 04 2025 08:25 GMT
#12
Hope there will be some maps with 4 spawning positions, I really enjoy these in BW for spicy randomness and miss them in SC2.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1191 Posts
September 04 2025 09:15 GMT
#13
On September 04 2025 17:25 Creager wrote:
Hope there will be some maps with 4 spawning positions, I really enjoy these in BW for spicy randomness and miss them in SC2.

They can't really work in Legacy of the Void because of how the 12 worker start accelerates the early game. If you get unlucky on a 4 spawn position map, you'll be in the mid-game before you find your opponent!

I'm exaggerating a little, but you get the point!

On September 04 2025 09:13 monitor wrote:
Phantom
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monitor feat. avex
island at the bottom right
140x140
39s main to main ramp


Heat Sink
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138x140
34s main to main ramp


Double Infinity
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worker-only path connecting all bases
148x132
38s main to main ramp


Tourmalene
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142x142
35s main to main ramp


Time Trap
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132x140
36s main to main ramp

I don't know a lot about mapping so I can't give much constructive comment, but I really like the look of Tourmalene.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada76 Posts
September 04 2025 22:26 GMT
#14
Double Infinity is interesting. Bases look difficult to defend but it’s okay because the WOPs mean you won’t lose workers. I’d like to see how it plays out in practice

Phantom is the prettiest, and it’s no shocker that Avex would be involved
Mapmaker from Canada. “Be the change you wish to see in the cushions”.
sidasf
Profile Joined February 2023
85 Posts
September 07 2025 01:06 GMT
#15
Would like to see the amount of healing shrines maps reduced to one, or even zero. Sucks having to veto them automatically-balance issues aside, I don't think anybody is arguing they added anything interesting to the game.

Glad TLMC and Monster are still going! Keep it up!
CharactR
Profile Joined January 2020
Canada108 Posts
September 07 2025 07:59 GMT
#16
On September 05 2025 07:26 OmniSkeptic wrote:
Double Infinity is interesting. Bases look difficult to defend but it’s okay because the WOPs mean you won’t lose workers. I’d like to see how it plays out in practice

Phantom is the prettiest, and it’s no shocker that Avex would be involved


I never really thought about it, but the Phantom texture set does look a lot like an old Avex map called Valkyrie.
Creator of ladder maps: Altitude LE, Undercurrent (2v2), Crimson Research Lab (2v2), Sandstorm (3v3), Lexiphanicism (4v4), Floodplain (4v4)
OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada76 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-07 14:49:47
September 07 2025 12:38 GMT
#17
On September 07 2025 10:06 sidasf wrote:
Would like to see the amount of healing shrines maps reduced to one, or even zero. Sucks having to veto them automatically-balance issues aside, I don't think anybody is arguing they added anything interesting to the game.

You must be bad at the game???? The healing shrine on Persephone was fine for balance and it was placed quite centrally? And the only other one on Torches I barely even ever see used as it's not impactful enough to bother? Do you solely exist to find any thread tangentially related to mapmaking to complain about a feature which has not presented any problems so far because you can't stand the idea that maybe your alarmist hysteria was wrong?
Mapmaker from Canada. “Be the change you wish to see in the cushions”.
CharactR
Profile Joined January 2020
Canada108 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-09 06:44:29
September 08 2025 08:02 GMT
#18
My submissions
5/5 Completed!
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Dominion Lab 140x140
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Rainfall 136x132
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Voyageur 128x132
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Callisto 128x132
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Windchill 148x148
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The only change I made from last time is that the mains and naturals now have equivalent mineral lines

Creator of ladder maps: Altitude LE, Undercurrent (2v2), Crimson Research Lab (2v2), Sandstorm (3v3), Lexiphanicism (4v4), Floodplain (4v4)
anarchay
Profile Joined July 2019
19 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-08 21:17:44
September 08 2025 21:08 GMT
#19
My Submissions for TLMC21
MtM is Main to Main, MRtMR is Main Ramp to Main Ramp, NtN is Nat to Nat
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Bear's Den 200x100, Macro
MtM: 45, MRtMR: 37, NtN: 32
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Outsider 136x132, Standard
MtM: 46, MRtMR: 37, NtN: 31
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Shattered Sands 128x128, Standard
MtM: 41, MRtMR: 33, NtN: 27
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Small Failures 124x124, Standard
MtM: 39, MRtMR: 30, NtN: 26
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Viljka-Arni 124x124, Rush
MtM: 44, MRtMR: 33, NtN: 32
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IrregularProjects
Profile Joined September 2025
1 Post
September 08 2025 23:00 GMT
#20
My Submissions for TLMC 21
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River Crossing 136x136
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Carnelian Station 136x150
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CommanderChp
Profile Joined May 2021
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-09 01:10:53
September 09 2025 01:05 GMT
#21
My Submissions

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Celestial Enclave 132x132
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Note: there is a Worker Path leading into the pocket base


Washout 132x134
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Note: The hybrid bases have 6 regular 3 gold, and the rocks permanently destroy the gold minerals


Talisman 128x144
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Note: there is a Worker Path next to the triangle hybrid base


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Cradle of Eden 132x132
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Note: The rich gas half base is unbuildable excluding the townhall and geyser location
TLMC19 Finalist (Sacred Isle and Atlantis) TLMC20 Finalist (Persephone)
themusic246
Profile Joined December 2012
United States213 Posts
September 09 2025 06:20 GMT
#22
Submissions

Arcana
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Throne of the Dunes
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Storm Surge
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White Rabbit
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Castle Quest
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1st place Blizzard arcade RTC contest. 2x 1st place 1v1 Team Liquid Map Contest (30 total ladder map contest finalists). Developer of Zealot Hockey, Star Party, Monobattle Map Rotation and other stuff
Agaton
Profile Joined July 2019
Sweden46 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-10 16:58:58
September 09 2025 16:23 GMT
#23
My entries:

Coralscape
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Cryon
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Shadowgarden
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Cursed Caverns (yesyes I know...)
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Good luck everyone!
Maker of maps
Yafuso
Profile Joined July 2025
1 Post
September 10 2025 01:44 GMT
#24
My submissions to tlmc, thanks to everyone in the discord for helping me come a very long way in only 3 months ya'll are the realest of people!

Turpentine 150x 128
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Thundra 124x140
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Two Moons 140x140
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Luxor Aeterna 142x132
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OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada76 Posts
September 10 2025 11:49 GMT
#25
On September 10 2025 10:44 Yafuso wrote:
…in only 3 months…
These are quite good for having only started recently
Mapmaker from Canada. “Be the change you wish to see in the cushions”.
KillerSmile
Profile Joined November 2018
Germany88 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-10 19:24:53
September 10 2025 19:01 GMT
#26
My Submissions:

Mothership 166x166
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Wrath 140x140
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Sonder 144x132
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10000 Feet 124x136
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Rust Belt 136x124
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Good luck to all participants!
Mapmaker, author of Data-C, Solaris, Ley Lines, Torches and Reclamation LE
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2406 Posts
September 11 2025 18:35 GMT
#27
Any submissions missing? Excited to do predictions!
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Monitor
sidasf
Profile Joined February 2023
85 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-12 01:19:15
21 hours ago
#28
On September 07 2025 21:38 OmniSkeptic wrote:
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On September 07 2025 10:06 sidasf wrote:
Would like to see the amount of healing shrines maps reduced to one, or even zero. Sucks having to veto them automatically-balance issues aside, I don't think anybody is arguing they added anything interesting to the game.

You must be bad at the game???? The healing shrine on Persephone was fine for balance and it was placed quite centrally? And the only other one on Torches I barely even ever see used as it's not impactful enough to bother? Do you solely exist to find any thread tangentially related to mapmaking to complain about a feature which has not presented any problems so far because you can't stand the idea that maybe your alarmist hysteria was wrong?


Why is it every single time you post you're unable to do anything but hurl attacks and insults?

The one on persephone has already been abused by hellion/hellion+cyclone spam attacking and retreating/healing. And if we're getting maps every 6 months to a year from now on, it only opens up more abusive balance problems that we'll have to deal with.

And the only other one on Torches I barely even ever see used as it's not impactful enough to bother?


Thanks for proving my second point, that the healing shrines do not add anything interesting to the game.

The vetoes also show that the vast majority of people do not enjoy the healing shrine/3p maps https://www.nonapa.com/maps
This data clearly shows this trend in all three regions.

Would be great to respect the masses of people who play ladder. I know people on this forum vote as well, and are important community members, but we're a very tiny sample size compared to the actual ladder.


Lots of cool maps this time around being posted, can't wait to vote!
CommanderChp
Profile Joined May 2021
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-12 06:34:30
16 hours ago
#29
On September 12 2025 10:14 sidasf wrote:
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On September 07 2025 21:38 OmniSkeptic wrote:
On September 07 2025 10:06 sidasf wrote:
Would like to see the amount of healing shrines maps reduced to one, or even zero. Sucks having to veto them automatically-balance issues aside, I don't think anybody is arguing they added anything interesting to the game.

You must be bad at the game???? The healing shrine on Persephone was fine for balance and it was placed quite centrally? And the only other one on Torches I barely even ever see used as it's not impactful enough to bother? Do you solely exist to find any thread tangentially related to mapmaking to complain about a feature which has not presented any problems so far because you can't stand the idea that maybe your alarmist hysteria was wrong?


Why is it every single time you post you're unable to do anything but hurl attacks and insults?

The one on persephone has already been abused by hellion/hellion+cyclone spam attacking and retreating/healing. And if we're getting maps every 6 months to a year from now on, it only opens up more abusive balance problems that we'll have to deal with.

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And the only other one on Torches I barely even ever see used as it's not impactful enough to bother?


Thanks for proving my second point, that the healing shrines do not add anything interesting to the game.

The vetoes also show that the vast majority of people do not enjoy the healing shrine/3p maps https://www.nonapa.com/maps
This data clearly shows this trend in all three regions.

Would be great to respect the masses of people who play ladder. I know people on this forum vote as well, and are important community members, but we're a very tiny sample size compared to the actual ladder.


Lots of cool maps this time around being posted, can't wait to vote!


People veto weird maps, more news at 11.

Torches is not vetoed because of the healing shrine, it’s vetoed because of the other features on the map which make it worse for certain races. Also, any map feature placed in the far areas of a map will not come into play until the late game, this is not exclusive to the healing shrine. Using the shrine placement on torches to argue for “boring” is silly imo.

Persephone on the other hand, is perfectly fine balance wise. I don’t think these map statistics say what you want them to say about it, Even though it’s one of the weirder maps it’s played quite a lot, it’s only about a 15% difference from the most played map in terms of games played. Also here are some stats for you

Persephone Ladder Winrates (GM/M):
TvZ: 51%
PvT: 53%
ZvP: 49%

Also fun fact, in pro play Persephone has a 52.3% win rate for TvZ and a 50.3% winrate for PvZ. And this is a map with a heal shrine in the middle of the map. I’m convinced you don’t watch the game if you think the shrine is broken, especially in TvZ/ZvP.

EDIT: Persephone is also the 3rd most played (newer) ladder map in pro play. Newer meaning excluding Ultralove/Ley Lines since they’ve been in the pool for a long time.

But yeah, citing a normal difference in games played on a weird map as evidence is stupid, not everyone likes weirder maps, everyone is fine with standard maps, this is normal lol. Last Fantasy imo has design flaws, I think the map could be better but I also think it’s nice diversity to have a 3p map. I really want KillerSmile’s mothership map to do well as I think it’s a FANTASTIC 3 spawn map, have really enjoyed playing on it.
TLMC19 Finalist (Sacred Isle and Atlantis) TLMC20 Finalist (Persephone)
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1191 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-12 07:01:29
16 hours ago
#30
Continuing to push >2P maps when all evidence points towards the player base disliking them is silly.

They will just get vetoed.

You could have >2P maps in WoL or HotS and it didn't matter too much, but LotV games ramp up too quickly to accommodate randomness in scout patterns.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
CommanderChp
Profile Joined May 2021
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-12 14:13:56
9 hours ago
#31
On September 12 2025 15:54 MJG wrote:
Continuing to push >2P maps when all evidence points towards the player base disliking them is silly.

They will just get vetoed.

You could have >2P maps in WoL or HotS and it didn't matter too much, but LotV games ramp up too quickly to accommodate randomness in scout patterns.


I’m not trying to push for 2P+ really, simply calling out side for his heal shrine nonsense, this guy always gets on my nerve when I see his biased and misinformed posts on tl.net and Reddit

For 3p maps, I just personally like having one in the pool cuz it’s fun imo. I think Last Fantasy has issues with its design, while Mothership on the other hand is the perfect design for a 3p map imo, it’s different from any 3p map we’ve had before where it’s actually a triangle and not a circle. If you playtest the map you’ll actually immediately notice the difference due to the minimap, a triangle 3p map is much more space efficient so you’re able to keep the base count “low” and spacing much more even, you don’t have a base the the “triangle 4th” on last fantasy where it’s 10 years from your opponent. But yeah, I just enjoy having a 3p map in the pool personally, I know I’m not alone even if it is a minority, and in a pool of 9 maps I don’t see how it hurts to have just one if it’s a good map (and imo Mothership is)
TLMC19 Finalist (Sacred Isle and Atlantis) TLMC20 Finalist (Persephone)
themusic246
Profile Joined December 2012
United States213 Posts
6 hours ago
#32
3/4 player maps... psch. Asymetrical ladder map wen
1st place Blizzard arcade RTC contest. 2x 1st place 1v1 Team Liquid Map Contest (30 total ladder map contest finalists). Developer of Zealot Hockey, Star Party, Monobattle Map Rotation and other stuff
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