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Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-04 17:26:56
April 04 2025 16:25 GMT
#1



https://pro.eslgaming.com/tour/sc2/

Dear StarCraft II Community,

Today, we’re writing to share an important update regarding the future of the ESL Pro Tour (EPT). After an incredible journey since its inception in 2020, the ESL Pro Tour for StarCraft II will not continue in 2025 and beyond.

Reaching this decision has been exceptionally difficult for us. Over the years, we’ve had the privilege of hosting iconic events like the IEM Katowice World Championships, DreamHack Masters, ESL Masters, and ESL Opens, collaborating closely with players, fans, and community members to celebrate this iconic game. However, as the industry evolves, maintaining the full-scale circuit envisioned for the EPT has become increasingly challenging.

Nevertheless, there are still great StarCraft II esports moments to look forward to in 2025. As you might have already seen, StarCraft II is making its return to the Esports World Cup 2025, where a new World Champion will be crowned this summer in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Find out more on the official social media channels of the Esports World Cup.

Thank you to our players, talent, partners, and most importantly, the fans: you’ve made the EPT an unforgettable journey. The energy you bring to every match and every event is what makes StarCraft II truly special.

Thank you for being a part of this incredible journey.

With gratitude,
The ESL Team




A Word from Michal “Carmac” Blicharz, VP of Product Development, ESL
"I have spent over half a decade working actively on StarCraft II, and years more on following it from the sidelines. Back in 2010 it was this game that ushered in a new golden age for esports, and none of the big events we know today would be there if it wasn’t for StarCraft.

We ran the first ever international SC2 tournament, and operated the last EPT event, with nearly 15 years in between. We broke viewership records, filled venues we previously thought unfillable and we innovated more than ever before.

The opportunity to work on this game has given me tremendous learning possibilities, opened up interactions with a number of amazing people that I cannot count, and allowed me to be part of and interact with this wonderful community and its creators and curators at Blizzard.

I am not an RTS-native, but I fell in love with the game and its community. A massive thank you for all the moments that we have shared together. I am glad we were part of this ride."


A Word from Shaun “Apollo” Clark, VP of Game Ecosystems, ESL
"Over the last 15 years, StarCraft has been more than a game for me. It has provided me with a career, close friends, and many memories that I'll cherish forever. There is no amount of giving back I could do in return for what I've received.

There are many who care deeply about SC2 at EFG, and it has not been an easy journey to arrive at the decision taken today. Thank you all for the years of continued passion and dedication to the game and all that you've given to us."


A Word from Oleksii “Alex007” Trushliakov, Senior Product Manager, ESL
"This announcement is very difficult and very personal to me. I have been with StarCraft II esports since day 1, serving in roles such as tournament admin, journalist, commentator, project manager, content creator, and probably a few others - and I had the incredible honor of shaping the pinnacle of esports StarCraft over the past few years, working with the most passionate and talented team I have ever met.

During the darkest days for my compatriots, I had the chance to witness incredibly passionate crowds in Atlanta and Dallas, the warmest welcome from the old-school fans in Jönköping and Katowice, the largest prize ever in the history of StarCraft won by Clem, who I still remember as a little child attending his first major event - and Oliveira with Smix on the IEM stage, both in tears, creating what feels to me like the most magical moment in the history of esports.

None of this would be possible without you - every StarCraft fan who is reading this. Your love for the game is what brought these moments to life, and I am incredibly grateful to have been able to share these experiences with you. Thank you for being with us - and let's carry on with our passion for the game we all love."
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itsdaniel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Austria332 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-07 00:56:56
April 04 2025 16:31 GMT
#2
i knew it... one of the saddest days in the history of SC2...
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES49986 Posts
April 04 2025 16:35 GMT
#3
RIP
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lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
384 Posts
April 04 2025 16:37 GMT
#4
welp. ESWC is probably the last stand on the big stage then.

Raise a glass to all the players that have come and gone over the years and all the good times had. The pro scene may not go on, but the game will.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1355 Posts
April 04 2025 16:38 GMT
#5
RIP 😓
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3415 Posts
April 04 2025 16:39 GMT
#6
Not really surprising, although it's great to hear that there's going to be one last hurrah at the EWC this year.
Kashim
Profile Joined December 2013
Poland1162 Posts
April 04 2025 16:50 GMT
#7
gg!
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Devangel
Profile Joined March 2019
Russian Federation65 Posts
April 04 2025 16:52 GMT
#8
The farewell video on youtube was posted by esl on 19th of Dec and was hidden till today’s publication. So the decision was made earlier than that.

One may wonder why it took extra 3 month to announce it. Is there a chance another company would pick SC2 circuit going forward? If not then what was the reason of such a late announcement…
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1399 Posts
April 04 2025 16:52 GMT
#9
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1108 Posts
April 04 2025 17:17 GMT
#10
On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.


Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year).
It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33230 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-04 17:25:06
April 04 2025 17:20 GMT
#11
On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.


Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year).
It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months


Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...).
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy830 Posts
April 04 2025 17:35 GMT
#12
I had fun, thanks for the memories
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1103 Posts
April 04 2025 18:10 GMT
#13
Thanks to ESL for the many great tournaments and memories.
Mutation complete.
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
474 Posts
April 04 2025 18:10 GMT
#14
Not that surprising. But sad nontheless. Still the best game I have ever played. And I will still play it as long as I can. Hopefully there will still be community efforts that brings on smaller events somewhat regularly.
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2199 Posts
April 04 2025 18:17 GMT
#15
RIP. Was there from the start. Some great times we've had. Where did the time ever go? Felt like yesterday and like a different lifetime at the same time. Thanks for the memories.
Cogito, ergo Toss
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1103 Posts
April 04 2025 18:45 GMT
#16
On April 05 2025 03:17 SharkStarcraft wrote:
RIP. Was there from the start. Some great times we've had. Where did the time ever go? Felt like yesterday and like a different lifetime at the same time. Thanks for the memories.

Yeah, I still recall watching Idra live at IEM Hannover in 2010, shortly after the release of SC2. Everything about SC2 felt so fresh and vibrant. Incredible it's been 15 years.
Mutation complete.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1179 Posts
April 04 2025 18:50 GMT
#17
On April 05 2025 02:20 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:
On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.


Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year).
It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months


Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...).

Obviously ESL/Blizzard can never be replaced, but I think if we get 3-4 more offline tournaments like BGE/HSC a year we can still have a nice little scene. Not the same as the glory days, but still fun to follow.

Even that might be too much to hope for though, the next few weeks will be telling in that regard - if orgs exist that are willing to put on smaller LANS(big if) they would probably be in a holding pattern up until now.
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1477 Posts
April 04 2025 18:52 GMT
#18
On April 05 2025 03:50 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2025 02:20 Waxangel wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:
On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.


Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year).
It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months


Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...).

Obviously ESL/Blizzard can never be replaced, but I think if we get 3-4 more offline tournaments like BGE/HSC a year we can still have a nice little scene. Not the same as the glory days, but still fun to follow.

Even that might be too much to hope for though, the next few weeks will be telling in that regard - if orgs exist that are willing to put on smaller LANS(big if) they would probably be in a holding pattern up until now.

It would be great if we found a way to centralize crowd funding. A place that says, "are you a fan of SC2 esports and want them to continue? Donate to THIS patreon." rather than having 15 different places you have to donate to.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1103 Posts
April 04 2025 19:05 GMT
#19
On April 05 2025 03:52 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2025 03:50 dysenterymd wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:20 Waxangel wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:
On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.


Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year).
It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months


Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...).

Obviously ESL/Blizzard can never be replaced, but I think if we get 3-4 more offline tournaments like BGE/HSC a year we can still have a nice little scene. Not the same as the glory days, but still fun to follow.

Even that might be too much to hope for though, the next few weeks will be telling in that regard - if orgs exist that are willing to put on smaller LANS(big if) they would probably be in a holding pattern up until now.

It would be great if we found a way to centralize crowd funding. A place that says, "are you a fan of SC2 esports and want them to continue? Donate to THIS patreon." rather than having 15 different places you have to donate to.

Yes, absolutely. I had the same thought the other day.

Actually, too many places to donate to are one of the reasons why I haven't donated much yet. I want to support HSC, but also PigSty, and also Wardi, and so on. A central SC2 crowdsourcing platform would be great.
Mutation complete.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33230 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-04 19:41:51
April 04 2025 19:41 GMT
#20
On April 05 2025 04:05 Antithesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2025 03:52 CicadaSC wrote:
On April 05 2025 03:50 dysenterymd wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:20 Waxangel wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:
On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.


Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year).
It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months


Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...).

Obviously ESL/Blizzard can never be replaced, but I think if we get 3-4 more offline tournaments like BGE/HSC a year we can still have a nice little scene. Not the same as the glory days, but still fun to follow.

Even that might be too much to hope for though, the next few weeks will be telling in that regard - if orgs exist that are willing to put on smaller LANS(big if) they would probably be in a holding pattern up until now.

It would be great if we found a way to centralize crowd funding. A place that says, "are you a fan of SC2 esports and want them to continue? Donate to THIS patreon." rather than having 15 different places you have to donate to.

Yes, absolutely. I had the same thought the other day.

Actually, too many places to donate to are one of the reasons why I haven't donated much yet. I want to support HSC, but also PigSty, and also Wardi, and so on. A central SC2 crowdsourcing platform would be great.


Well, the main problem with this issue is "who decides how the money is spent?" It's just unrealistic for a bunch of independent streamers/organizers to work out some theoretically ideal way to split a joint crowdfunding pot. And it's not just because of (understandable self-interest)—it's just too damned complicated.

I think it's much more realistic for 2-4 streamers to temporarily collaborate and organize $20-30k size online events (or whatever sum it takes to get Serral to play), and crowdfund on a per-tournament basis.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1108 Posts
April 04 2025 19:45 GMT
#21
On April 05 2025 04:41 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2025 04:05 Antithesis wrote:
On April 05 2025 03:52 CicadaSC wrote:
On April 05 2025 03:50 dysenterymd wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:20 Waxangel wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:
On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.


Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year).
It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months


Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...).

Obviously ESL/Blizzard can never be replaced, but I think if we get 3-4 more offline tournaments like BGE/HSC a year we can still have a nice little scene. Not the same as the glory days, but still fun to follow.

Even that might be too much to hope for though, the next few weeks will be telling in that regard - if orgs exist that are willing to put on smaller LANS(big if) they would probably be in a holding pattern up until now.

It would be great if we found a way to centralize crowd funding. A place that says, "are you a fan of SC2 esports and want them to continue? Donate to THIS patreon." rather than having 15 different places you have to donate to.

Yes, absolutely. I had the same thought the other day.

Actually, too many places to donate to are one of the reasons why I haven't donated much yet. I want to support HSC, but also PigSty, and also Wardi, and so on. A central SC2 crowdsourcing platform would be great.


Well, the main problem with this issue is "who decides how the money is spent?" It's just unrealistic for a bunch of independent streamers/organizers to work out some theoretically ideal way to split a joint crowdfunding pot. And it's not just because of (understandable self-interest)—it's just too damned complicated.

I think it's much more realistic for 2-4 streamers to temporarily collaborate and organize $20-30k size online events (or whatever sum it takes to get Serral to play), and crowdfund on a per-tournament basis.


It's also what just worked for other games. AoE 2 and WC3 run under the same principle, though Microsoft is augmenting the prizepools for AoE.
Either you have major players involved (like Riot, ESL, BLAST etc.) or you do it community-based...but then you need to run it like it is community-based aswell.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12061 Posts
April 04 2025 20:05 GMT
#22
Good.
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myghal
Profile Joined November 2021
Poland5 Posts
April 04 2025 20:23 GMT
#23
It sucks that they waited so long. It’s just like beating a dead horse. Everyone knew this was going to happen, but the fact that they waited so long is just painful.

Now, let’s see what the community can do and whether we can manage to maybe even organize some small offline events.
idk
myghal
Profile Joined November 2021
Poland5 Posts
April 04 2025 20:23 GMT
#24
On April 05 2025 03:52 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2025 03:50 dysenterymd wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:20 Waxangel wrote:
On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:
On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends.


Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year).
It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months


Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...).

Obviously ESL/Blizzard can never be replaced, but I think if we get 3-4 more offline tournaments like BGE/HSC a year we can still have a nice little scene. Not the same as the glory days, but still fun to follow.

Even that might be too much to hope for though, the next few weeks will be telling in that regard - if orgs exist that are willing to put on smaller LANS(big if) they would probably be in a holding pattern up until now.

It would be great if we found a way to centralize crowd funding. A place that says, "are you a fan of SC2 esports and want them to continue? Donate to THIS patreon." rather than having 15 different places you have to donate to.



You have a good point
idk
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
April 04 2025 20:46 GMT
#25
Let the dark ages begin! No one supported BW other than bunch of die hard members when KeSPA dropped it. Now the same is happening for SC2. Thanks Blizzard for killing your RTS IP. Thank god they never touched BW scene.

User was temp banned for this post.
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Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States130 Posts
April 04 2025 21:20 GMT
#26
Glad that I was able to make it to Dreamhack Dallas last year. Wish I would have gone to more events. Thankfully, the real premier tournament (GSL) is not confirmed dead.
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary466 Posts
April 04 2025 21:34 GMT
#27
I'm personally quite enraged they didn't let us crowdfund it. I'm not sure how much money these tournaments costed though, but i'm sure something reasonable could have been worked out.
Why so serious?
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1477 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-04 21:35:34
April 04 2025 21:35 GMT
#28
On April 05 2025 06:20 Telephone wrote:
Glad that I was able to make it to Dreamhack Dallas last year. Wish I would have gone to more events. Thankfully, the real premier tournament (GSL) is not confirmed dead.

Compared to other events now (outside EWC ofc) GSL now offers one of, if not THE largest prize pool in SC2. I wonder if we will see more pros traveling out there to compete in future seasons.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Ch3rry
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland219 Posts
April 04 2025 21:36 GMT
#29
On April 05 2025 04:41 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's much more realistic for 2-4 streamers to temporarily collaborate and organize $20-30k size online events (or whatever sum it takes to get Serral to play), and crowdfund on a per-tournament basis.

Someone willing to try organize semi-PayPerView tournament, even $2 per user can generate some revenue. And put open stream with 1-2 hour delay.
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1198 Posts
April 04 2025 22:24 GMT
#30
On April 05 2025 06:34 kajtarp wrote:
I'm personally quite enraged they didn't let us crowdfund it. I'm not sure how much money these tournaments costed though, but i'm sure something reasonable could have been worked out.


While the community of Starcraft is incredibly supportive - shown over and over again - no amount of love of the community could raise the capital needed to run offline major events, support the prizemoney, work behind the scenes, venues and more.

We are talking 7 figures at least and since businesses cannot take charity it would be seen as income which is taxed. There really is no crowdfunding such a big circuit.

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sc2turtlepants
Profile Joined December 2023
28 Posts
April 04 2025 22:54 GMT
#31
On April 05 2025 04:05 Antithesis wrote:

Yes, absolutely. I had the same thought the other day.

Actually, too many places to donate to are one of the reasons why I haven't donated much yet. I want to support HSC, but also PigSty, and also Wardi, and so on. A central SC2 crowdsourcing platform would be great.


You absolutely have the power to donate a small amount to each one instead of doing next to nothing.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3340 Posts
April 04 2025 23:01 GMT
#32
And they have a reputation, they cannot put up a crappy product just because the community money didn't pour in.

esl -starcraft was awesome, I rly hope we see a return someday in a game that is not too dissimilar, or who knows sc2 could get a resurrection, just see wc3.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44071 Posts
April 05 2025 00:24 GMT
#33
On April 05 2025 08:01 ejozl wrote:
And they have a reputation, they cannot put up a crappy product just because the community money didn't pour in.

esl -starcraft was awesome, I rly hope we see a return someday in a game that is not too dissimilar, or who knows sc2 could get a resurrection, just see wc3.

Tbf crowdfunding worked out really really well with Dota2 that was valve handling it who arent also known for taking charity but they it for their official tournament anyways.

They had stupidly hyped and big events because of it although they stopped doing it recently cause the game wasnt their focus iirc.
this is a quote
NeWHoriZonS
Profile Joined April 2018
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-05 00:50:29
April 05 2025 00:30 GMT
#34
On April 05 2025 01:52 Devangel wrote:
The farewell video on youtube was posted by esl on 19th of Dec and was hidden till today’s publication. So the decision was made earlier than that.

One may wonder why it took extra 3 month to announce it. Is there a chance another company would pick SC2 circuit going forward? If not then what was the reason of such a late announcement…


How do you see that? It says a few hours ago on Youtube for me.
I can't see anything in metadatas either.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States869 Posts
April 05 2025 01:10 GMT
#35
This was sad, but not unexpected. Good games everyone. Also, I think if BW and WC3 can have resurgences, it's easy to imagine SC2 living to see more days in the sunshine.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
April 05 2025 02:54 GMT
#36
It's been great to grow up alongside SC2. Many fond memories have been formed and will stay with me for the rest of my life. Thank-you SC2 community!
hi. big fan.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
857 Posts
April 05 2025 07:30 GMT
#37
The agony has been so long, I would have preferred it to happen sooner
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1889 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-05 07:37:24
April 05 2025 07:35 GMT
#38
Thanks for supporting the game for as long as you did. Sad day, but as others have already pointed out at this point not really unexpected. All good things come to an end, after all.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
MvpRaiden
Profile Joined April 2018
3 Posts
April 05 2025 07:36 GMT
#39
Big Thank you to ESL and everyone who participated to this incredible journey. I'm not sure I can see a business running so long just with the power of passionate people like I've seen with this game. I'm sad but grateful at the same time that we could enjoy such quality content on this amazing game despite the small size (but very devoted) of its community.
jodljodl
Profile Joined October 2016
141 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-05 09:12:38
April 05 2025 09:11 GMT
#40


edit:
On April 05 2025 16:36 MvpRaiden wrote:
Big Thank you to ESL and everyone who participated to this incredible journey. I'm not sure I can see a business running so long just with the power of passionate people like I've seen with this game. I'm sad but grateful at the same time that we could enjoy such quality content on this amazing game despite the small size (but very devoted) of its community.

yes, indeed. thank you
Kim Doh Woo
HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
521 Posts
April 05 2025 10:03 GMT
#41
GLHF. It was good while it lasted🙂
IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
April 05 2025 10:17 GMT
#42
Been there since 2010, thanks for the memories and so long
Special Tactics
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa966 Posts
April 05 2025 10:18 GMT
#43
GG
The only known Reverend on TL playing SC2 and BW (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409226)
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-05 10:23:24
April 05 2025 10:23 GMT
#44
On April 05 2025 09:24 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2025 08:01 ejozl wrote:
And they have a reputation, they cannot put up a crappy product just because the community money didn't pour in.

esl -starcraft was awesome, I rly hope we see a return someday in a game that is not too dissimilar, or who knows sc2 could get a resurrection, just see wc3.

Tbf crowdfunding worked out really really well with Dota2 that was valve handling it who arent also known for taking charity but they it for their official tournament anyways.

They had stupidly hyped and big events because of it although they stopped doing it recently cause the game wasnt their focus iirc.


Crowdfunding worked for Valve because people like hats for their heroes and Valve took 75% of the cut themselves while the tournament got 25%. Once the model changed away from cosmetics the crowd support for the actual tournament was something like 3% of what it was before.

Whatever happens for SC will be much more limited with no access to the game and a lack of centralisation

Very sad to say goodbye
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10666 Posts
April 05 2025 12:27 GMT
#45
RIP! It was an awesome ride.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
April 05 2025 14:40 GMT
#46
So the last GSL was is fact Dark defeating Maru.
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1477 Posts
April 05 2025 18:44 GMT
#47
On April 05 2025 23:40 Cricketer12 wrote:
So the last GSL was is fact Dark defeating Maru.

gsl is not over. we have multiple small leaks suggesting there will be another season, just like we had multiple EWC leaks. ESL we didnt have any leaks so not surprising that shut down.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1194 Posts
April 05 2025 18:50 GMT
#48
To clarify, some were still thinking this was about 2025 but it's about the end of EPT SC2.
ESL Pro Tour for StarCraft II will not continue in 2025 and beyond.


Thanks ESL for producing some of the best SC2 events ever, and stepping in when (it seemed) Blizzard did not want anything to do with SC2 esports.

I know grassroots SC2 will continue to exists but this is about professional SC2 which is in dire straits now. In the end, the level of play will not continue to climb without professionals, but the entertainment could still be there. SC2 is very well respected and loved still, do not forget. If the current (and why not past) greats find the time to occasionally particiapate in (mostly online) events, I bet the interest will be there for the organizers to stay net zero.

The biggest concern for me is the maintenance of the map pool and multilpayer balance. This has to be at least as big of a deal for Blizzard as WC3, so some form of support is expected. Let's hope Blizzard has the humility to gather pro/community feedback for balance, and pick the maps from future TL Map Contests.

All in all, this announcement was waaaaay overdue. It is no coincidence the news came out right after the EWC annoucement, but something could have been said earlier in my opinion. Still, I am glad SC2 is free to play, the servers are online (except rip China), and with balance mods and maps we the community still have the power to shape this esports as we see fit.
starcraft2.fi
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1807 Posts
April 05 2025 19:11 GMT
#49
I can't believe Apollo ruined the game for a second time.
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Tommy131313
Profile Joined May 2016
Germany152 Posts
April 05 2025 20:25 GMT
#50
Thank you so much for the tons and tons of great SC2 content - thrilling storylines, heroic rivalry and unbelievably great games.
I really hope we can crowdfund (obviously much smaller) community events with passionate organizers like TakeTV, Wardi, Pig and the likes.
And maybe there will be some competitive SC because of the EWC with some qualifiers, too.
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States361 Posts
April 06 2025 01:45 GMT
#51
We knew this was coming as the scene was in limbo for the past seven or so months. The end of an era.

I started rewatching SC2 during early COVID times, so I'm sad to see this chapter come to a close. After this year's EWC who knows if there will be more premier SC2 tournaments?
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines91 Posts
April 06 2025 02:51 GMT
#52
RIP ESL Pro Tour for SC2

At least GSL will still continue based on leaks, but things are not going well on the SC2 front.

Also what does this mean for the balance council? IIRC those guys are working alongside ESL to do balance patches for SC2. What's gonna happen to them now?
Yuru Yuri best anime
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1010 Posts
April 06 2025 03:09 GMT
#53
I can only imagine this means either:

1. The Brood War scene will flourish and grow even bigger
2. They have SC3 in the works

Haven't watched much SC2 past WoL, only really the world championships and EWC, there's just been too many balance changes for me to keep up with and also I think most of the casters are really bad, but it's been exciting regardless.
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1807 Posts
April 06 2025 03:42 GMT
#54
On April 06 2025 12:09 Freezard wrote:
I can only imagine this means either:

1. The Brood War scene will flourish and grow even bigger
2. They have SC3 in the works

Haven't watched much SC2 past WoL, only really the world championships and EWC, there's just been too many balance changes for me to keep up with and also I think most of the casters are really bad, but it's been exciting regardless.


Blizzard making sc3 would be the biggest error ever from a company that has been making nothing but massive errors for well over a decade.
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6826 Posts
April 06 2025 14:20 GMT
#55
Well, now we have to wait 5+ years until Blizz or MS see the great opportunity to make a StarCraft 2: Recrafted to milk some more
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States442 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-06 18:13:36
April 06 2025 18:08 GMT
#56
Really doubt blizzard is currently working on sc3, and I highly doubt that's in the plans going forward. At best we will get spinoffs using the IP.

Even if blizzard was to make a sc3 I just don't have a lot of confidence in them at the moment.

I mean honestly all good things must come to an end. Those early days feel like so so long ago. I think about the things I was doing at those times and where I was at in life. Crazy how much the internet culture and my own life has changed over those 15 years or so

Pulling all nighters to catch proleague or code s live, inevitably fall asleep at some point. Going to a kbbq restaurant for the first time with some friends and one of them wearing a TL shirt just in case anyone knew about sc lmao... Streaming taking off, esports actually being a real thing.

Feel like I'm just rambling but it's just a little bit of a strange feeling for sc2 esports to be "basically done". Glad I was here to witness and participate in the community in whatever small ways over the years.
LaughNgamezYT
Profile Joined September 2020
15 Posts
April 06 2025 18:12 GMT
#57
It's a huge chunk of my life SC esports, going to Korea watching Korean SC2 5 nights a week in highschool.

SC2 will become what Broodwar is a small community with a lot of history and many people still passionate about the game.
hiroshOne
Profile Joined October 2015
Poland425 Posts
April 06 2025 18:31 GMT
#58
Farewell...I was with sc2 since day one. It feels only proper to be here when it ends...So much emotions, good and bad, so much excitement over balance changes and endless forum and twitch chat fights over it...That was a proof that u cared so much.

Thanks sc2. Will always remember. I still play sometimes, but it's not the same as it was...But still, this game will be always in my heart in the special place.
Ultima Ratio Regum
alfredwilson49
Profile Joined April 2025
3 Posts
April 07 2025 00:43 GMT
#59
--- Nuked ---
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
194 Posts
April 07 2025 01:18 GMT
#60
Not hard to see coming--so long and thanks for all the fish! Still remember watching Tassadar nuke the Overmind in elementary school and falling in love with SC for the first time. Fast-forward to downloading Idra replays during beta and then watching qualifiers for the first GSL. What a wild ride it's been. Starcraft has been such a source of joy for so long, can't be anything but thankful for that.

Will still watch and support the scene no doubt, but playing Z on this patch as a mortal is supremely irritating. If SC2 ends in this game state, that'll be the real tragedy for me lol.
radracer
Profile Joined March 2020
United States70 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-07 06:53:09
April 07 2025 06:52 GMT
#61
SC2 has been on life support for a while... that plug has now been pulled.


The only silver lining would be if GSL continues, and we get foreigners interested in GSL now. Let's see if Serral can win it!
old
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2081 Posts
April 07 2025 07:19 GMT
#62
The final blow of an era. I'm sad to see this but also not surprised. It's time to find our if SC2 can stand on it's own feet like war3
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
April 08 2025 03:13 GMT
#63
I haven't played or watched SC2 in years but this news brings back so many memories. Everything has its end and this new is long overdue. It is amazing that SC2 pro-scene survived as long as it did. So long SC2.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16836 Posts
April 08 2025 17:28 GMT
#64
GGs to SC2. Good run, all things considered.

It's a shame a lot of the developments happened the way they did, but I'm sure the scene will have a new era of people touching the game, even if it ain't publisher-funded anymore.

Funding is always a mess in this situation, but hopefully we get more SC2.
The Bomber boy
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9014 Posts
April 09 2025 13:08 GMT
#65
It's time to move on. There are so many other RTSes out there. I wanna see Serral kicking ass in AoE.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1477 Posts
April 09 2025 23:48 GMT
#66
On April 09 2025 22:08 Garnet wrote:
It's time to move on. There are so many other RTSes out there. I wanna see Serral kicking ass in AoE.

I'd rather him switch to Broodwar and compete in ASL.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2199 Posts
April 10 2025 07:10 GMT
#67
On April 10 2025 08:48 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2025 22:08 Garnet wrote:
It's time to move on. There are so many other RTSes out there. I wanna see Serral kicking ass in AoE.

I'd rather him switch to Broodwar and compete in ASL.


Is there still a lot of money in BW? I am wholly unfamiliar with the scene.
Cogito, ergo Toss
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4168 Posts
April 10 2025 14:45 GMT
#68
On April 10 2025 16:10 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2025 08:48 CicadaSC wrote:
On April 09 2025 22:08 Garnet wrote:
It's time to move on. There are so many other RTSes out there. I wanna see Serral kicking ass in AoE.

I'd rather him switch to Broodwar and compete in ASL.


Is there still a lot of money in BW? I am wholly unfamiliar with the scene.

In S. Korea? Yes. Quite a lot.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4168 Posts
April 10 2025 14:46 GMT
#69
On April 10 2025 16:10 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2025 08:48 CicadaSC wrote:
On April 09 2025 22:08 Garnet wrote:
It's time to move on. There are so many other RTSes out there. I wanna see Serral kicking ass in AoE.

I'd rather him switch to Broodwar and compete in ASL.


Is there still a lot of money in BW? I am wholly unfamiliar with the scene.

Check out this topic for more info --> https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/637243-balloon-statistics-for-universitys-organizer

odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2212 Posts
April 12 2025 06:54 GMT
#70
GG
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machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States290 Posts
April 13 2025 00:59 GMT
#71
On the bright side, the SC3 design team has a wealth of lessons learned to benefit from!
BlacKcuD
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany107 Posts
April 13 2025 10:55 GMT
#72
When I first read about it, I thought it was a slightly delayed April Fools joke. Turns out it wasn't :'[
Avid map maker and e-sport enthusiast.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10318 Posts
April 14 2025 08:34 GMT
#73
RIP i wish i wasn't so busy / had another thing conflicting with one of the last ESL tournies in the US. I never got to attend a SC2 event live, not a GSL or an ESL, so sad. I wish i had gotten to see Slayers Boxer or Slayers compete back then, especially in WoL days, especially MLG Anaheim with all the TvT and blue flame hellions it was really crazy, but as a poor college student i didn't have the means to really go...
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3340 Posts
April 14 2025 17:50 GMT
#74
Yeah I only attended DH winter 2011, it was an amazingly stacked event and got to see all of the guys, there were a lot of new wc3 players as well and I was hooked on it and Artosis asked for a prediction for the tournament winner, and I went with le ToD. Sadly MC and moon canceled their tickets.

I wish I'd been to hsc XX, imo this was the greatest event for sc2 yet as a viewer, it was a great community effort as well and the feeling around sc2 was amazing, it wasn't even that long ago..
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 14 2025 23:15 GMT
#75
Got to go to all the DH Montreals and MLG Providence, rip yo
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
sidasf
Profile Joined February 2023
78 Posts
April 15 2025 03:15 GMT
#76
On April 07 2025 15:52 radracer wrote:
SC2 has been on life support for a while... that plug has now been pulled.


The only silver lining would be if GSL continues, and we get foreigners interested in GSL now. Let's see if Serral can win it!


Has it? SC2 had what, two million dollars in prize money even just last year? Multiple circuits and huge crowds and events.

Something went wrong this past year. My hunch, as much as I hate to say it, is that Microsoft meddled in and changed something to push ESL away completely. There's no way they just go from 2 million dollars to zero just like that.
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
April 15 2025 06:28 GMT
#77
I don't play SC2 anymore as I have switched to AoE4, but I tune into the big SC2 tournaments such as Katowice (which did not happen this year) and EWC. First and foremost, right when the SC2 e-sports scene is struggling, I hear from some pros that there are problems with Protoss again, with SortOf posting this video:


This is the worst time for there to be issues with Protoss, and for the pros like SortOf to comment as he did in the video. I hope the balance council fixes the issues fast, for the sake of SC2.

Meanwhile, since some of the SC2 pros like SortOf, Elazer, Nina, etc, are playing AoE4 now, I have a lot of fun watching them stream AoE4. But I will tune into the EWC this year, because SC2 is always exciting to watch, when it's balanced. Going forward though, SC2 can't afford any more mistakes, especially with ESL stopping their pro tour. This means the issue of balance must be addressed ASAP.

Now it would be sad if Elazer, SortOf, Nina, etc, returned to SC2 from AoE4, because I would have fewer AoE4 streamers to watch. But if they return, it probably means the balance of SC2 is much better and they are finding it fun again, which is good for SC2.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
April 15 2025 20:53 GMT
#78
I followed the game from the HDH Invitational in 2010 until the Saudi takeover of ESL. I stayed up all night to watch Blizzcon, traveled to South Korea to see GSL, traveled to Germany to see HSC, attended a BarCraft to see IEM live with a crowd, and watched countless hours of matches. StarCraft II was a big part of my life. I am thankful for all players, commentators, hosts, production crews, designers, and other people who contributed to the product, events, or the community. Blizzard created a phenomenal RTS.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
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