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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1849 Posts
February 12 2025 00:13 GMT
#1
Which player who won a premier tournament in SC2 is most likely to be forgotten in the next 10 years?

For me, it's sniper.
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LaughNgamezSOOP
Profile Joined June 2024
66 Posts
February 12 2025 00:17 GMT
#2
PigBaby, but this question is ironic
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ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States712 Posts
February 12 2025 00:32 GMT
#3
Roro
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1248 Posts
February 12 2025 01:05 GMT
#4
So many tbh...First, Sacsri, Jjkaji, MorroW...
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1849 Posts
February 12 2025 01:37 GMT
#5
On February 12 2025 10:05 Balnazza wrote:
So many tbh...First, Sacsri, Jjkaji, MorroW...

Sacrsri will live on I think just because he plays SC1 now and artosis and tasteless informs everyone 😂
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States459 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-12 03:09:29
February 12 2025 03:09 GMT
#6
On February 12 2025 09:32 ZombieGrub wrote:
Roro


Don't think he will be forgotten if for no other reason than being a FPL terrorist
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1601 Posts
February 12 2025 04:09 GMT
#7
Maybe I am totally mistaken, but I thought there was a reverse all kill in the GSL in the early years from a terran player. For some reason my head said it was Jakji, but I cannot find evidence to support that at all. It is too bad because I remember being kind of let down the finals were going to be another bust, and then the comeback was really good.
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
220 Posts
February 12 2025 04:27 GMT
#8
My vote's gotta go to Jjkaji the LEGEND
SiegfriedSC
Profile Joined November 2019
9 Posts
February 12 2025 04:51 GMT
#9
On February 12 2025 09:17 LaughNgamezSOOP wrote:
PigBaby, but this question is ironic


As long I am alive PigBaby will never be forgotten
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1076 Posts
February 12 2025 05:52 GMT
#10
Not all premier tournaments, but for GSL only we have 31 different winners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_StarCraft_II_League . Everyone with at least 2 wins seems pretty memorable to me, so people that have won 1 only, the list is:
ByuN
Cure
Dear
DongRaeGu
Fruitdealer
GuMiho
Jjakji
Polt
RorO
Seed
Sniper
sOs
Soulkey

Seed stands out to me. I didn't even know what race he played. Everyone else I at least have some vague memory of although Dear is also pretty unmemorable to me, but I could at least say that he was a Protoss.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
February 12 2025 07:57 GMT
#11
This really is dudes at the bar naming 90's baseball players.


I raise you a Sting.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-12 13:14:01
February 12 2025 13:11 GMT
#12
On February 12 2025 16:57 Waxangel wrote:
This really is dudes at the bar naming 90's baseball players.


I raise you a Sting.


Let's go with one only Finnish fans will remember, Naama.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
February 12 2025 13:20 GMT
#13
On February 12 2025 22:11 Mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2025 16:57 Waxangel wrote:
This really is dudes at the bar naming 90's baseball players.


I raise you a Sting.


Let's go with one only Finnish fans will remember, Naama.

Wow rude.

I would raise the IEM Season V WC champion, Ace.
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 12 2025 16:47 GMT
#14
On February 12 2025 13:27 Glorfindelio wrote:
My vote's gotta go to Jjkaji the LEGEND

Man I remember his last Code S, there was some hype around him because he won 2 maps vs Maru in the ro32. Hope he's doing well in life
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shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
February 12 2025 17:50 GMT
#15
On February 12 2025 14:52 RenSC2 wrote:
Not all premier tournaments, but for GSL only we have 31 different winners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_StarCraft_II_League . Everyone with at least 2 wins seems pretty memorable to me, so people that have won 1 only, the list is:
ByuN
Cure
Dear
DongRaeGu
Fruitdealer
GuMiho
Jjakji
Polt
RorO
Seed
Sniper
sOs
Soulkey

Seed stands out to me. I didn't even know what race he played. Everyone else I at least have some vague memory of although Dear is also pretty unmemorable to me, but I could at least say that he was a Protoss.


Man, ByuN losing that series had me feeling some type of way in the Ro4.
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1248 Posts
February 12 2025 19:07 GMT
#16
Now that I think about it: For me, the most forgettable champion in a Premier event ever is...Heromarine. Because I'm sure most people don't realize that Big Gabe never won a Premier event, never even was in the finals of one. You would think the guy that was at times the "best of the rest" would have at some point sneaked past Serral, Reynor and Clem...but no, he did not ._.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
February 12 2025 19:19 GMT
#17
I never even heard of RorO and I watched a ton of sc2, how did I miss him completely, so for me since i've heard about all other players mentioned but never this guy, he's for me the most unknown
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 12 2025 20:27 GMT
#18
On February 12 2025 16:57 Waxangel wrote:
This really is dudes at the bar naming 90's baseball players.


I raise you a Sting.

Personally biased but this is the best answer for me as he’s the only one mentioned so far that I absolutely did forget to the degree I had to Liquipedia him.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 12 2025 20:39 GMT
#19
On February 13 2025 04:07 Balnazza wrote:
Now that I think about it: For me, the most forgettable champion in a Premier event ever is...Heromarine. Because I'm sure most people don't realize that Big Gabe never won a Premier event, never even was in the finals of one. You would think the guy that was at times the "best of the rest" would have at some point sneaked past Serral, Reynor and Clem...but no, he did not ._.

I genuinely blame casters for that one. They’d hype ‘Big Gabe’ up incessantly, way more than players like Showtime or Elazer who have won at least one.

Nerds like me knew it obviously, but I’m probably not super representative given I can (roughly) remember the tournament and timespan, or sometimes finals opponent of most of the names mentioned here.

For someone with slightly more of a life, one player is hyped to shit and others aren’t, the natural assumption is that guy’s the better player/had the better career.

I don’t even dislike Heromarine at all, but man it consistently annoyed the piss outta me. Pretty much the only caster bashing I’ve ever done was solely around that haha
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-12 21:18:16
February 12 2025 21:10 GMT
#20
On February 13 2025 04:19 sertas wrote:
I never even heard of RorO and I watched a ton of sc2, how did I miss him completely, so for me since i've heard about all other players mentioned but never this guy, he's for me the most unknown


RorO vs Symbol is probably the height of absurdity in StarCraft II. I can't help but cackle watching six minutes of brood lord vs brood lord goodness.



He was also mentioned in an article that came out two weeks ago
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17165 Posts
February 12 2025 21:49 GMT
#21
Did Naniwa win a premier event?
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 13 2025 00:14 GMT
#22
On February 13 2025 06:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Did Naniwa win a premier event?

He won an MLG that's a liquipedia premier (Dallas). COnsidering the only Koreans in it were Moonan and Select, whether it should be considered a premier is another question.
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catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3830 Posts
February 13 2025 00:50 GMT
#23
I had no memory of Sting or Sacsri winning anything.

Looking at the list of premier events, the only other players I didn't remember as having been champions were uThermal and Ret
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 13 2025 02:18 GMT
#24
Sting won IEM Singapore and I caught one of the BenQ plushies he threw into the crowd. It was one of the most nailbiting tournaments I've seen anyone win. He barely got out of the group stage 3-2, beating Tefel on map score. Then he beat Lucifron 3-2, Yugioh 3-2, Vortix 3-2 and Grubby 3-2 to win the tournament.
Year of MaxPax
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1849 Posts
February 13 2025 02:23 GMT
#25
i dont think i've ever watched sting play so he is definitely on my list. if i have then even more so
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2250 Posts
February 13 2025 09:58 GMT
#26
I truly have been watching too much sc2 as I still clearly remember every one of the names mentioned lol

My vote is going to be (P)AcE
Cogito, ergo Toss
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4519 Posts
February 14 2025 01:57 GMT
#27
I was going to say Sniper, but he's already been mentioned. Maybe ThorZain.
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bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary404 Posts
February 14 2025 06:41 GMT
#28
Snute?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 14 2025 09:59 GMT
#29
On February 12 2025 22:20 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2025 22:11 Mizenhauer wrote:
On February 12 2025 16:57 Waxangel wrote:
This really is dudes at the bar naming 90's baseball players.


I raise you a Sting.


Let's go with one only Finnish fans will remember, Naama.

Wow rude.

I would raise the IEM Season V WC champion, Ace.


Ace is a legend. He would randomly appear every few months, look like the best player in the world for a single game, then proceed to do nothing of note for another few months.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 15 2025 14:05 GMT
#30
On February 14 2025 18:59 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2025 22:20 Luolis wrote:
On February 12 2025 22:11 Mizenhauer wrote:
On February 12 2025 16:57 Waxangel wrote:
This really is dudes at the bar naming 90's baseball players.


I raise you a Sting.


Let's go with one only Finnish fans will remember, Naama.

Wow rude.

I would raise the IEM Season V WC champion, Ace.


Ace is a legend. He would randomly appear every few months, look like the best player in the world for a single game, then proceed to do nothing of note for another few months.

I’m struggling to recall the opponent, think it was a GSL game and Ace played this absolutely bonkers PvZ. Warp prism harass all over the place, splitting his armies up, going toe to toe in a straight-up macro game and using the mommaship well. If not before players like HerO were doing that, it was certainly before it was common and fleshed out.

The crazy part is you’re almost not exaggerating, he really would look that damn good sometimes, and it often was just a single game!

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1928 Posts
February 15 2025 14:27 GMT
#31
On February 14 2025 10:57 FataLe wrote:
I was going to say Sniper, but he's already been mentioned. Maybe ThorZain.


He was famous for a fantastic TvT build, the spoon-terran style and retiring to become a doctor.

Too bad he lost some a lot of opportunities to BL-infestor bs, otherwise he would likely have won more.
Buff the siegetank
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States304 Posts
February 15 2025 17:24 GMT
#32
I got a weird way of answering this question.
Serral has many forgettable championships because he won so much other shit. So several of serral's championships are easily forgotten. it's easy to remember the world championships n shit, but what about his idk 3rd homestory cup? 4th dreamhack?
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1928 Posts
February 15 2025 18:18 GMT
#33
On February 16 2025 02:24 zelevin wrote:
I got a weird way of answering this question.
Serral has many forgettable championships because he won so much other shit. So several of serral's championships are easily forgotten. it's easy to remember the world championships n shit, but what about his idk 3rd homestory cup? 4th dreamhack?


The thread is about players, not tournaments.

Here are a few premier tournament winners which rang no bells for me:

(Wiki)Genius

(Wiki)Kiwian

(Wiki)Puzzle

(Wiki)GanZi
Buff the siegetank
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1906 Posts
February 15 2025 19:13 GMT
#34
On February 16 2025 03:18 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2025 02:24 zelevin wrote:
I got a weird way of answering this question.
Serral has many forgettable championships because he won so much other shit. So several of serral's championships are easily forgotten. it's easy to remember the world championships n shit, but what about his idk 3rd homestory cup? 4th dreamhack?


The thread is about players, not tournaments.

Here are a few premier tournament winners which rang no bells for me:

(Wiki)Genius

(Wiki)Kiwian

(Wiki)Puzzle

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/GanZi


I raise you (Wiki)Fenix
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 15 2025 20:04 GMT
#35
I think we’re scraping the barrel on Premier events a bit here.

It was hard to win say, Code A no doubt, but that was clearly a second tier event versus Code S.

Nonetheless, a fun trip down memory lane. It’s interesting to see names, and ponder why some of them became the SC equivalent of one-hit wonders, where others were able to stick around and make pretty meaningful runs.

Someone like Puzzle sort of emerged and looked really good for a bit and then didn’t do much again, got to the cusp of being really good but never really broke through. Or even a jjakji who while being an unfancied underdog in his Code S run, also looked legit in that run, and indeed at the time that was probably the best Code S final we’d seen.

I guess part of it is the sheer volume of pretty damn good players we used to have.
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-15 22:38:48
February 15 2025 22:38 GMT
#36
Why is Code A listed as a premier event?? IMO it's the very definition of 'Major' - perfectly tucked in between premier and minor, but alas.

That being said, anyone remember premier event Runner-Up (P)Tassadar ?
Cogito, ergo Toss
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 16 2025 01:08 GMT
#37
On February 16 2025 05:04 WombaT wrote:
I think we’re scraping the barrel on Premier events a bit here.

It was hard to win say, Code A no doubt, but that was clearly a second tier event versus Code S.

Nonetheless, a fun trip down memory lane. It’s interesting to see names, and ponder why some of them became the SC equivalent of one-hit wonders, where others were able to stick around and make pretty meaningful runs.

Someone like Puzzle sort of emerged and looked really good for a bit and then didn’t do much again, got to the cusp of being really good but never really broke through. Or even a jjakji who while being an unfancied underdog in his Code S run, also looked legit in that run, and indeed at the time that was probably the best Code S final we’d seen.

I guess part of it is the sheer volume of pretty damn good players we used to have.

Jjakji also had a second act where he got top 4 in some Dreamhacks/WCS Eu in 2014 and even qualified for Blizzcon 2014, so he wasn't a true one-hit wonder (even if EU was by far the easiest region to qualify from in 2013-2014 because online qualifier lag kept many Koreans out.)

An interesting question is who's the best player to never win a liquipedia premier tournament. Maybe Byul? He got 3 star league runner ups in 2015, a WCS Americas runner up in 2013, plus a few other deep runs as well as being a good team league player.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 16 2025 02:08 GMT
#38
On February 16 2025 10:08 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2025 05:04 WombaT wrote:
I think we’re scraping the barrel on Premier events a bit here.

It was hard to win say, Code A no doubt, but that was clearly a second tier event versus Code S.

Nonetheless, a fun trip down memory lane. It’s interesting to see names, and ponder why some of them became the SC equivalent of one-hit wonders, where others were able to stick around and make pretty meaningful runs.

Someone like Puzzle sort of emerged and looked really good for a bit and then didn’t do much again, got to the cusp of being really good but never really broke through. Or even a jjakji who while being an unfancied underdog in his Code S run, also looked legit in that run, and indeed at the time that was probably the best Code S final we’d seen.

I guess part of it is the sheer volume of pretty damn good players we used to have.

Jjakji also had a second act where he got top 4 in some Dreamhacks/WCS Eu in 2014 and even qualified for Blizzcon 2014, so he wasn't a true one-hit wonder (even if EU was by far the easiest region to qualify from in 2013-2014 because online qualifier lag kept many Koreans out.)

An interesting question is who's the best player to never win a liquipedia premier tournament. Maybe Byul? He got 3 star league runner ups in 2015, a WCS Americas runner up in 2013, plus a few other deep runs as well as being a good team league player.

Good shout, it’s hard to think of players who haven’t got at least one.

Byul is probably top, perhaps Jaedong is up there? Bunch of runners-up including a WC and some other consistently high placements, but IIRC he didn’t take one home.

Bunny has had a pretty good career without grabbing one.
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-16 03:02:53
February 16 2025 03:02 GMT
#39
On February 16 2025 11:08 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2025 10:08 dysenterymd wrote:
On February 16 2025 05:04 WombaT wrote:
I think we’re scraping the barrel on Premier events a bit here.

It was hard to win say, Code A no doubt, but that was clearly a second tier event versus Code S.

Nonetheless, a fun trip down memory lane. It’s interesting to see names, and ponder why some of them became the SC equivalent of one-hit wonders, where others were able to stick around and make pretty meaningful runs.

Someone like Puzzle sort of emerged and looked really good for a bit and then didn’t do much again, got to the cusp of being really good but never really broke through. Or even a jjakji who while being an unfancied underdog in his Code S run, also looked legit in that run, and indeed at the time that was probably the best Code S final we’d seen.

I guess part of it is the sheer volume of pretty damn good players we used to have.

Jjakji also had a second act where he got top 4 in some Dreamhacks/WCS Eu in 2014 and even qualified for Blizzcon 2014, so he wasn't a true one-hit wonder (even if EU was by far the easiest region to qualify from in 2013-2014 because online qualifier lag kept many Koreans out.)

An interesting question is who's the best player to never win a liquipedia premier tournament. Maybe Byul? He got 3 star league runner ups in 2015, a WCS Americas runner up in 2013, plus a few other deep runs as well as being a good team league player.

Good shout, it’s hard to think of players who haven’t got at least one.

Byul is probably top, perhaps Jaedong is up there? Bunch of runners-up including a WC and some other consistently high placements, but IIRC he didn’t take one home.

Bunny has had a pretty good career without grabbing one.

I remember jaedong winning Asus rog I think I'd count that as premier. Byul never winning though is super sad. He was a bit of a Kong. I remember seeing him crying after getting 2nd place in GSL.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 16 2025 03:10 GMT
#40
On February 16 2025 12:02 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2025 11:08 WombaT wrote:
On February 16 2025 10:08 dysenterymd wrote:
On February 16 2025 05:04 WombaT wrote:
I think we’re scraping the barrel on Premier events a bit here.

It was hard to win say, Code A no doubt, but that was clearly a second tier event versus Code S.

Nonetheless, a fun trip down memory lane. It’s interesting to see names, and ponder why some of them became the SC equivalent of one-hit wonders, where others were able to stick around and make pretty meaningful runs.

Someone like Puzzle sort of emerged and looked really good for a bit and then didn’t do much again, got to the cusp of being really good but never really broke through. Or even a jjakji who while being an unfancied underdog in his Code S run, also looked legit in that run, and indeed at the time that was probably the best Code S final we’d seen.

I guess part of it is the sheer volume of pretty damn good players we used to have.

Jjakji also had a second act where he got top 4 in some Dreamhacks/WCS Eu in 2014 and even qualified for Blizzcon 2014, so he wasn't a true one-hit wonder (even if EU was by far the easiest region to qualify from in 2013-2014 because online qualifier lag kept many Koreans out.)

An interesting question is who's the best player to never win a liquipedia premier tournament. Maybe Byul? He got 3 star league runner ups in 2015, a WCS Americas runner up in 2013, plus a few other deep runs as well as being a good team league player.

Good shout, it’s hard to think of players who haven’t got at least one.

Byul is probably top, perhaps Jaedong is up there? Bunch of runners-up including a WC and some other consistently high placements, but IIRC he didn’t take one home.

Bunny has had a pretty good career without grabbing one.

I remember jaedong winning Asus rog I think I'd count that as premier. Byul never winning though is super sad. He was a bit of a Kong. I remember seeing him crying after getting 2nd place in GSL.

Yeah I should have Liquipediaed it, Jaedong was quite a Kong (Jaekong?) but he did pick up a few.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-16 12:37:04
February 16 2025 12:36 GMT
#41
On February 16 2025 12:10 WombaT wrote:
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On February 16 2025 12:02 CicadaSC wrote:
On February 16 2025 11:08 WombaT wrote:
On February 16 2025 10:08 dysenterymd wrote:
On February 16 2025 05:04 WombaT wrote:
I think we’re scraping the barrel on Premier events a bit here.

It was hard to win say, Code A no doubt, but that was clearly a second tier event versus Code S.

Nonetheless, a fun trip down memory lane. It’s interesting to see names, and ponder why some of them became the SC equivalent of one-hit wonders, where others were able to stick around and make pretty meaningful runs.

Someone like Puzzle sort of emerged and looked really good for a bit and then didn’t do much again, got to the cusp of being really good but never really broke through. Or even a jjakji who while being an unfancied underdog in his Code S run, also looked legit in that run, and indeed at the time that was probably the best Code S final we’d seen.

I guess part of it is the sheer volume of pretty damn good players we used to have.

Jjakji also had a second act where he got top 4 in some Dreamhacks/WCS Eu in 2014 and even qualified for Blizzcon 2014, so he wasn't a true one-hit wonder (even if EU was by far the easiest region to qualify from in 2013-2014 because online qualifier lag kept many Koreans out.)

An interesting question is who's the best player to never win a liquipedia premier tournament. Maybe Byul? He got 3 star league runner ups in 2015, a WCS Americas runner up in 2013, plus a few other deep runs as well as being a good team league player.

Good shout, it’s hard to think of players who haven’t got at least one.

Byul is probably top, perhaps Jaedong is up there? Bunch of runners-up including a WC and some other consistently high placements, but IIRC he didn’t take one home.

Bunny has had a pretty good career without grabbing one.

I remember jaedong winning Asus rog I think I'd count that as premier. Byul never winning though is super sad. He was a bit of a Kong. I remember seeing him crying after getting 2nd place in GSL.

Yeah I should have Liquipediaed it, Jaedong was quite a Kong (Jaekong?) but he did pick up a few.


One of the defining features of BW Kongs (including yellow since he started the whole thing) was winning weekenders and similar small scale tournaments, while failing to win the big one.
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