• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:39
CET 05:39
KST 13:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband
Tourneys
Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ The top three worst maps of all time Foreign Brood War Data analysis on 70 million replays BW General Discussion
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Megathread The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
Physical Exertion During Gam…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1674 users

If the ESL tour is discontinued, how much are you willing…

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Subham das
Profile Joined February 2025
2 Posts
February 26 2025 04:06 GMT
#81
--- Nuked ---
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17095 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-26 04:38:25
February 26 2025 04:29 GMT
#82
On January 14 2025 03:19 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2025 06:03 spirit76 wrote:
On January 10 2025 09:50 deacon.frost wrote:
I do not see a reason why spend on a game I think is boring, stale and long term inbalanced. The scene is so small maybe it is time to let it die.

I do not pay for streams. (to be fair, I do not watch any streams so why would I pay )

During the SC2 peak I wouldnt have a problem. Nowadays big nope. Every now and then I check the games and... they are boring. The thrill is long gone.



boring? serral, clem, maxpax, etc are playing incredible games! not boring at all, the things those can do are amazing.

I was watching since beta. I doubt they do something that I would call incredible and not boring.

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2025 08:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I give Wardi $60/year and I'll keep doing that. I view it as a $5/month competitive live event streaming service.
On January 10 2025 09:50 deacon.frost wrote:
I do not see a reason why spend on a game I think is boring, stale and long term inbalanced. The scene is so small maybe it is time to let it die.

meh, Imbalance is part of diverse team games like this. Super Tecmo Bowl came out in 1991 , EA NHL '94 came out in September '93 ... both games are imbalanced. People play the games because the fun is worth tolerating imbalance. Both games have competitive communities just rolling along in 2025.

Chess is imbalanced. I'll play black and tolerate the imbalance because I enjoy the competition. If I'm 1% better than my opponent and lose due to imba game set up ... I don't care. Rarely are people motivated to play some 10 game "balanced series" to "prove themselves". They just play one game and let the chips fall where they may.

Imbalance is a problem when it affects the race you want to see win. It is a reason why I stopped watching in the first place. That and the community around SC2

My mindset is to see how far someone can take Protoss. In MLB the Dodgers and Yankees have infinitely more resources. MLB is decidedly imbalanced. Many sports experienced increased interest when there is 1 'super team'.

I'm a terran player and I used to cheer for Terran all the time. Now, I am interested to see how far someone can take Protoss. Sorta like watching the zero resource Tampa Bay Rays take one of the highest valued sports franchises in US history: the New York Yankees.

Tampa Bay's domed stadium recently got destroyed making them an even bigger underdog.

Ever see a guy who can barely walk hit a home run off of the best pitcher in the world?
It is super imbalanced... Are really cool

His knees were so fucked up that everyone had to carefully sideways hug him.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1920 Posts
March 05 2025 15:15 GMT
#83
In general I'm no longer closely following SC2 esports, but as I enjoyed HSC despite their atrocious connection/lag issues on the event site, I guess I would be fine with giving some pocket change amounts here and there, if just for the nostalgia.

My biggest gripe with that approach is that I don't really enjoy how the meta game evolved and the game was changed/adjusted over the years, I'd like to see some reverts which would open up the game again, like 6 worker start, re-introduce 4-player maps for 1v1 and either make the balancing discussion more transparent or abandon this idea of a community-based balance council altogether.

Put the fun in the game again so players can enjoy it more, that would also automatically help with people being invested in the esports part of it, I think.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
23:00
5.4k Patch Clash #9
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft615
PiGStarcraft372
RuFF_SC2 90
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 884
PianO 323
Leta 249
Bale 178
Pusan 93
yabsab 75
Noble 50
Snow 50
ZergMaN 12
Icarus 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm125
LuMiX1
League of Legends
C9.Mang0316
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv257
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor97
Other Games
summit1g10227
JimRising 570
shahzam534
ViBE132
Maynarde119
Mew2King47
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1064
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 95
• practicex 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 36
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4066
• Lourlo688
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 21m
Wardi Open
7h 21m
StarCraft2.fi
11h 21m
Monday Night Weeklies
12h 21m
Replay Cast
19h 21m
WardiTV 2025
1d 7h
StarCraft2.fi
1d 11h
PiGosaur Monday
1d 20h
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV 2025
3 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
WardiTV 2025
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Sziky vs JDConan
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs TBD
herO vs Zoun
WardiTV 2025
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Tarson vs DragOn
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Revival: Season 3
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
RSL Offline Finals
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.