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Subham das
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February 26 2025 04:06 GMT
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JimmyJRaynor
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Last Edited: 2025-02-26 04:38:25
February 26 2025 04:29 GMT
#82
On January 14 2025 03:19 deacon.frost wrote:
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On January 13 2025 06:03 spirit76 wrote:
On January 10 2025 09:50 deacon.frost wrote:
I do not see a reason why spend on a game I think is boring, stale and long term inbalanced. The scene is so small maybe it is time to let it die.

I do not pay for streams. (to be fair, I do not watch any streams so why would I pay )

During the SC2 peak I wouldnt have a problem. Nowadays big nope. Every now and then I check the games and... they are boring. The thrill is long gone.



boring? serral, clem, maxpax, etc are playing incredible games! not boring at all, the things those can do are amazing.

I was watching since beta. I doubt they do something that I would call incredible and not boring.

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On January 13 2025 08:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I give Wardi $60/year and I'll keep doing that. I view it as a $5/month competitive live event streaming service.
On January 10 2025 09:50 deacon.frost wrote:
I do not see a reason why spend on a game I think is boring, stale and long term inbalanced. The scene is so small maybe it is time to let it die.

meh, Imbalance is part of diverse team games like this. Super Tecmo Bowl came out in 1991 , EA NHL '94 came out in September '93 ... both games are imbalanced. People play the games because the fun is worth tolerating imbalance. Both games have competitive communities just rolling along in 2025.

Chess is imbalanced. I'll play black and tolerate the imbalance because I enjoy the competition. If I'm 1% better than my opponent and lose due to imba game set up ... I don't care. Rarely are people motivated to play some 10 game "balanced series" to "prove themselves". They just play one game and let the chips fall where they may.

Imbalance is a problem when it affects the race you want to see win. It is a reason why I stopped watching in the first place. That and the community around SC2

My mindset is to see how far someone can take Protoss. In MLB the Dodgers and Yankees have infinitely more resources. MLB is decidedly imbalanced. Many sports experienced increased interest when there is 1 'super team'.

I'm a terran player and I used to cheer for Terran all the time. Now, I am interested to see how far someone can take Protoss. Sorta like watching the zero resource Tampa Bay Rays take one of the highest valued sports franchises in US history: the New York Yankees.

Tampa Bay's domed stadium recently got destroyed making them an even bigger underdog.

Ever see a guy who can barely walk hit a home run off of the best pitcher in the world?
It is super imbalanced... Are really cool

His knees were so fucked up that everyone had to carefully sideways hug him.
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Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1937 Posts
March 05 2025 15:15 GMT
#83
In general I'm no longer closely following SC2 esports, but as I enjoyed HSC despite their atrocious connection/lag issues on the event site, I guess I would be fine with giving some pocket change amounts here and there, if just for the nostalgia.

My biggest gripe with that approach is that I don't really enjoy how the meta game evolved and the game was changed/adjusted over the years, I'd like to see some reverts which would open up the game again, like 6 worker start, re-introduce 4-player maps for 1v1 and either make the balancing discussion more transparent or abandon this idea of a community-based balance council altogether.

Put the fun in the game again so players can enjoy it more, that would also automatically help with people being invested in the esports part of it, I think.
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