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April 14th, 2024 03:15 GMT

Maru wins 2024 Code S Season 1

Extends own record with eighth Code S championship

by Wax

The already seismic gap between Maru and the 160+ other players to ever compete in GSL Code S grew even wider on Thursday night, as the ONSYDE/Vitality Terran defeated herO 4-1 in the 2024 Season 1 finals to win an extraordinary eighth championship. With the victory, Maru's Code S title count now doubles that of second place player Rogue, furthering his legacy as the greatest player ever in Korean competitions.

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Maru's performances in the first half of the tournament were hardly what one would have expected from the GSL's winningest player, as he struggled to get past underdogs soO and SHIN in the round-of-16, and then settled for second place in his round-of-8 group following a decisive 0-2 loss to herO. However, history told us Maru's championship contender credentials should never be in doubt, and on cue, the legendary version of Maru showed up in the playoffs.

Semifinal opponent Cure never had a chance, losing in a 0-3 sweep to fall to 0-5 all-time against Maru in offline BO5+ matches. His mental block against Maru was especially apparent in game three, where he blew a lead in spectacular fashion and gave up a come-from-behind victory to Maru and his Battlecruisers.

On the opposite side of the bracket, herO advanced over Stats to set up a rematch with Maru in the finals. The Shield of Aiur's run had been the story of the season up to that point, with the former #1 Protoss finally showing some glimpses of his old form after a year of rough post-military performances. However, it was too soon to expect him to take on a player of herO's caliber, and the DPG Protoss won 3-1 in a series of one-sided games.

With herO having defeated Maru 2-0 in the RO8, he was clearly the player best equipped to give Maru a close match in the finals. The first game of the finals on Oceanborn even made it appear as if herO was the player with the advantage, as he overcame heavy early-game losses to take a very impressive comeback victory.

However, that turned out to be the disturbance that caused an avalanche, as Maru would proceed to overwhelm herO with four straight victories in the proceeding games. Early game attacks continued to be the focus for Maru, as he repeatedly exploited weaknesses in herO's defense to inflict major damage. However, he made just one key adjustment from the first game, that being 'don't let your opponent come back.' While herO continued to show tremendous grit while playing from behind, he was unable to recreate his game one miracle against a more clinical and composed Maru.

Maru was reserved as always in his post-match interview, saying he had not been confident against herO and thus leaned toward early-game attacks. It was the kind of post-domination modesty that made one understand why herO jokingly raised a fist at Maru when he went for a handshake.

GSL Code S will resume with Season 2 on April 18th with the Season 2 Qualifiers.

Match Recaps

Semifinal #1: herO [3 - 1] Stats



Game 1 - Site Delta (Stats win): Stats got away with a greedy Gate-Nexus opener to start, and even placed a proxy Pylon in herO's natural to delay his opponent's expansion. herO reacted by applying various forms of pressure while trying to catch up in economy, starting with some Gateway units, followed by an Oracle, and then an attempt at surprise DT's. However, Stats parried all the thrusts without taking much damage, jumping ahead to a solid economic lead (although it was not as stark as one might expect given how little herO achieved with his attacks).

Stats was content to play his lead out slowly, going up to four bases while making a mostly Stalker army. Playing from behind, herO decided to risk it all on a big Zealot-Stalker attack once his +1 and Charge/Blink upgrades were done. However, Stats had more than enough troops to defend, and herO surrendered after being crushed in the deciding fight.

Game 2 - Crimson Court (herO win): Stats opened with the 2-Gate Sentry expansion that's become popular in the new patch, and once again placed a proxy Pylon to slow down herO's nexus. However, herO had no intent of expanding at all, going old school with a 4-Gate Robotics all-in off of one base. Stats discovered this cheese fairly quickly with a Hallucination scout, but herO trusted in his micro and forced his all-in anyway.

They say knowing is half the battle, but in this case, micro was the greater half. Despite Stats having advance notice, herO used his micro brute force his way through his opponent's defenses in under six minutes.

Game 3 - Goldenaura (herO win): herO decided it was his turn to play greedily this time, opening with a 1-Gate expansion against Stats' 2-Gate expansion. Given the macro-favoring nature of the map, this didn't have any real repercussions as both players quickly went up to three bases and progressed to the mid-game.

While Stats followed the meta and focused on making mass Zealot-Stalker with double Forge upgrades, herO sneakily started Colossus and Archon production once he had a solid base of Gateway units. herO had to play defensively as he teched up, leaving Stats to swallow up the map in what became a very unmirror-ish PvP scenario.

herO moved out once his ultimate army was assembled, brushing off Stats' attempts to delay him and marching straight to the opponent's key expansions. Stats' low-tech army fared poorly against herO's splash-heavy forces, and he only barely held off the hanbang attack thanks to newly produced Disruptors. However, herO had already killed enough expansions to take the economic lead, and he finished the game with a series of follow up attacks.

Game 4 - Oceanborn (herO win): Both players reverted to a pre-patch meta for game four, with Stats opening 2-Gate Robo while herO went for a 3-Gate all-in with a Robotics facility proxied out on the map. Stats' conservative play prevented him from losing outright, but he still lost the Gateways at his ramp and several Probes to an opportune Adept run-by. herO decided to stay on one base and keep up the pressure, looking to go for the kill with Immortals and Glaive Adepts. After poking around Stats' base with Immortals in a Prism, herO found an opening to charge up the ramp and defeat Stats in a final battle.

Semifinal #2: Maru [3 - 0] Cure



Game 1 - Ghost River (Maru win): Cure opened with a Reaper expansion while Maru went for Factory-CC into fast 1-Medivac-1-Tank pressure (the ultimate love/hate opener for Maru fans). After getting a decent amount of initial harassment done, Maru followed up by adding a second Starport and continued to harangue Cure with Viking and Liberator reinforcements.

All this slowed Cure down considerably, giving Maru a safe window to bypass the mid-game and tech directly up to Battlecruisers. With Maru content to sit back and mass capital ships, Cure was forced to start Viking production and follow Maru into a split-map game.

Both players speedily took all of their 'safe' expansions, and the game rapidly developed into a contest to control the remaining pair of bottom-center expansions. The two players grabbed one base a piece, and started a bloody series of battles across the narrow patch of land between them. Like a game of Desert Strike, both players continually adjusted their compositions to match each other. Cure's mass Vikings forced Thor production out of Maru, while Cure upped his ratio of infantry as Maru's Tank count started to thin.

Eventually, the game reached a point where Cure had mass Viking-Raven supported by Marine-Marauder, while Maru had a mostly Viking-BC force with just a couple of Thors supporting it. Once Cure had enough Raven energy to lockdown several of Maru's BC's at once, he decided to charge in for a headlong fight. Unfortunately for Cure, too much of his supply was tied up in Marauders, while Maru's 3/3 BC's were much tankier than anticipated. Maru won the fight by an enormous margin and immediately counterattacked to force Cure's surrender.

Game 2 - Post-Youth (Maru win): Both players started with some light Medivac harassment in game two, with neither player gaining a significant advantage in the early game. Maru continued to go down the standard macro path, taking a third base while making Ravens from a single Starport. On the other hand, Cure added a second Starport and committed hard to a 2-base push with Tanks, Vikings, and Marines.

Unfortunately for Cure (a common refrain from the series), his first push fell completely flat, first hitting a mine planted midway in the map, and then getting shut down by several Interference Matrixes. Cure tried a second push once he added Liberators to the mix, but by then, Maru had more than enough units to crush Cure's army and force the GG.

Game 3 - Oceanborn (Maru win): The game swung in Maru's favor early on as he got a big win in an early Reaper-Hellion skirmish, forcing Cure to play defensively and slow down his economy. From there, the game played out very similarly to game one, with Maru tormenting Cure with drops followed by Vikings and Liberators from two Staports. While Maru didn't inflict quite as much damage as in game one, he still felt emboldened to make another fast transition to Battlecruisers off of three bases.

For a while, it looked like Maru would get away with his greed and fast tech. However, Cure's constant probing around the edges of Maru's perimeter eventually paid off, as he found an opening to land a big infantry drop into Maru's territory. As is often the case, this caused a chain reaction where Maru would scramble to defend and Cure would strike at a newly vulnerable location. All-in-all, Cure ended up doing a considerable amount of damage with his drops and took a commanding lead by the time Maru partially stabilized.

Cure's initial plan was to keep up the tempo and batter Maru into submission with pure Marine-Marauder-Medivac. Unfortunately for Cure, this was quickly proven to be the wrong move once Maru had enough Battlecruisers to counterattack with. Cure was severely limited by his lack of Vikings and high Marauder ratio, as it made it impossible to both defend with Marines while also keeping up the pressure with drops. Maru's BC's backdoors dealt substantial damage, bringing the game closer and closer to even with each strike.

Eventually, Cure got sick of dealing with the constant backdoors and consolidated all his infantry for a big frontal attack. This played right into Maru's hands, as he was content to basetrade with his BC's while holding on to Tactical Jump until the last possible moment. The scenario worked out perfectly for Maru, as he razed Cure's main and teleported back just as Cure tried to charge his final mining base. Cure's forces were wiped out, and he surrendered the final GG of the series.

Grand Finals: Maru [4 - 1] herO



Game 1 - Oceanborn (herO win): Maru opened with a Barracks expansion into a late 2-Mine drop while herO went for what initially seemed to be a 4-Gate Blink strategy. The timings and unit positioning worked out so that Maru's drop arrived just as Blink completed, allowing herO to Blink forward and thwart the drop with barely any damage taken.

herO immediately went to counterattack with his Stalkers and Warp Prism, but interestingly enough, he was not going for a committed 4-Gate Blink attack. Instead, he simply trying to delay Maru while researching Charge and teching to Robotics Support Bay and Forge. On the other hand, Maru had been steadily producing units at home, cranking out a considerable number of Marines and Tanks. That meant Maru had the unit advantage despite his drop failing utterly, and he easily shrugged off herO's light Stalker harassment to go for a Marine-Tank push across the map.

This peculiar timing seemed to fluster herO, as he became indecisive about whether he needed to recall all of his troops to defend or leave some behind to keep up their harassment. This resulted in disaster, with Maru's push inflicting serious economic damage before herO could finally clean it up, while the Stalkers left in Maru's base hardly did enough damage to make up for it.

herO hit a surprisingly effective counterattack with Chargelots and a single Disruptor, showing how dangerous his strategy could have been if Maru hadn't struck when he was most vulnerable. But, as it was, herO had taken too much early economic damage to recover from, and Maru eventually snowballed his way to a win.

Well... he SHOULD have. What actually happened was that Maru heavily misjudged his lead, and tried to finish herO with a big SCV-pull attack off of two bases. However, when he arrived in herO's territory, he found Colossus-Disruptor to be impossible to push into without any Viking support, and he sheepishly retreated and took a belated third base. A few minutes later, Maru tried to finish herO off again, this time with lots of Tanks and Vikings in tow. This attack almost sealed the deal for Maru, but instead herO managed to just barely defend while wreaking havoc with backdoor DT's.

This exchange flipped the game heavily in herO's favor, leaving him with a stronger standing army and much healthier economy. Unlike Maru, herO did not squander this lead and safely closed the game out.

Game 2 - Alcyone (Maru win): herO started off by playing defensive Phoenix-Robo while Maru opened Fact-CC to set up a fast 1/1/1 push. Maru's early strike force included every single unit you can make without a Tech Lab (except Reapers), and he moved out with several SCV's in tow. herO attempted to intercept the forces halfway across the map with four Phoenixes, but it ended in disaster as Maru saved his Cyclone with a timely mass repair while picking off two Phoenixes. The loss of two Phoenixes made it a tough defense for herO, but he ended up holding the line at the cost of a heavily delayed third base.

The two players briefly settled into passive build-up mode from there. Maru went up to three bases and started preparing his next big infantry-Tank attack, while herO decided to risk teching to Carriers while skipping splash units entirely. However, Maru didn't let herO get away with cutting corners, and he struck with a deadly Bio-Tank push when herO only had two Carriers out. Maru took down two key expansions and several Probes before herO finally chased him away with newly produced Tempests and Carriers. It was simple for Maru to close out the game from that point, with his infantry and Vikings overrunning herO's poorly supported air units.

Game 3 - Ghost River (Maru win): herO went back to a Blink opener in game three, while Maru went for a 2-Mine drop into an 'old school' 1/1/1 centered around Marines, Tanks, and Cloaked Banshees. While the Mine-drop didn't get much done, the Marine-Tank-Banshee push paid off big time as Maru successfully destroyed the Protoss third (thanks to timely pickoffs on careless Observers). herO gave chase on the retreating Marines and Tanks, but Blinked one bridge too far as he neared Maru's base. Maru had set a trap with a newly produced Tank, and herO ended up donating Stalkers he could ill afford to lose.

This established a solid lead for Maru, though herO was not completely out of the game. Maru tried a couple more frontal attacks after establishing his third base, but herO barely fended them off. Each successful defense gave herO slightly more of a foothold in the game, and eventually he felt confident enough to go for an aggressive action. He moved out on the map with his Templar-Colossus backed main army, trying to set up a backdoor Warp Prism attack in Maru's main. However, this main army feint went horribly wrong as Maru connected with a massive EMP on all of the Templars and immediately initiated combat. Thus, while herO did successfully get a Zealot warp-in inside the Terran main, it came at the cost of his main army getting crushed. Maru continued to march forward with his troops, forcing herO to GG out.

Game 4 - Site Delta (Maru win): Maru played his greediest opener of the night, opening Rax-CC and then adding a quick third CC after Factory. herO applied heavy pressure from the start, harassing with his scouting Probe and then sending a Zealot and Adept to poke at Maru's wall. Quick 3-Gate Blink Stalkers came soon after, with herO proxying a Pylon to speed up the attack.

Maru anticipated such an attack would be coming and confirmed it by scouting the proxy Pylon, and prepared by setting up a full wall with Bunker at his natural. herO stayed true to his aggressive nature and went for a daring Blink over the wall, but was met by a sizable force of Marine-Cyclone that forced him to immediately Blink out on the next cooldown. Undeterred by the first failed attack, herO went for another blind Blink across the Terran wall once he warped in another round of Stalkers. However, things went even worse this time around, and Maru wiped out the Stalkers with Marines and a newly produced Tank.

Playing from a sizable deficit after his failed early gambits, herO decided his only choice was to go even more all-in with Chargelot-Colossus from two bases. herO managed to trade surprisingly well before Maru got Vikings out, but it wasn't nearly enough to overcome the economic disadvantage in the end.

Game 5 - Amphion (Maru win): Maru opened with a similar strategy to game one, starting with a Reactor expansion, followed by a 2-Mine drop, then followed by a Marine-Tank-Liberator push. herO's strategy was also similar as he went for 3-Gate Blink Stalkers, but instead of keeping them home on defense, he sent them out quickly to poke at Maru's natural. This move did not pay off at all for herO, as Maru found seven Probe kills by dropping and re-dropping Mines in herO's under-defended main. Meanwhile, herO's harassing Stalkers inflicted minimal damage.

With another round of Stalkers warped in, herO gambled on sending the majority of his Stalker force through the heavily obstructed backdoor path on the left side of Amphion. While herO slowly waited on multiple Blink cooldowns, Maru obliviously sent his main Marine-Tank force to attack through the far right route on Amphion while sending his Liberator to the Protoss main. This resulted in the two players hitting each others' mostly empty bases at around the same time, but with Maru having an enormous advantage in terms of firepower.

The situation was almost certainly doomed for herO even if he committed to a full basetrade, but he made things even worse for himself by pulling them back to defend (after having spent so much effort sneaking them across the map). herO's economy was already devastated by the time the Stalkers returned, and they only barely managed to clear out Maru's troops. herO stuck around for a few moments longer before he was ready to admit the situation was hopeless and type out the final GG.



Credits and acknowledgements

Writer: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Records and Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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uselless
Profile Joined April 2021
89 Posts
April 14 2024 03:38 GMT
#2
Game 1 - Oceanborn (Maru win):


maru's been winning too much huh

love your writing as always!
maru :D
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
April 14 2024 03:54 GMT
#3
On April 14 2024 12:38 uselless wrote:
Show nested quote +
Game 1 - Oceanborn (Maru win):


maru's been winning too much huh

love your writing as always!


look, it felt like a 5-0
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Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
April 14 2024 06:39 GMT
#4
he looks so bored winning this trophy.
Congrats to Maru
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4902 Posts
April 14 2024 10:22 GMT
#5
thanks fro the recap, the BC games were nuts, perfect Maru looks so much better than his peers.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4165 Posts
April 14 2024 11:05 GMT
#6
. . . huh? Oh, yeah.. sure.

Congratz, I guess. GGs.
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bulldozer06701
Profile Joined July 2019
114 Posts
April 14 2024 13:44 GMT
#7
Games vs Cure were excellent and creative
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2704 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-14 15:54:37
April 14 2024 15:53 GMT
#8
Maru's Starleague grand final record is now 10-3. With Rogue back and Serral in the military, maybe it's time Koreans break the dry spell and return to winning global events? :D

Edit: oh I see they re-classified StarsWar as a premier event, then it's almost guaranteed unless Oliveira brings back his IEM 2023 magic.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
April 14 2024 15:54 GMT
#9
At some point Stats is going to need to start winning some PvP if we want someone other than herO to be the Protoss poster boy.
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goldensail
Profile Joined May 2022
132 Posts
April 14 2024 16:45 GMT
#10
Once upon a time, a back to back GSL championship was a miracle. Now Maru has won so many that some people are turned off by it :D

But no one can deny that Maru continues to bring a wide variety of builds as well as those impossible comebacks that're legendary in the business. The fact that he's been troubled by injuries since at least '21 and still dominates is crazy. It will be interesting to see if Rogue can bring renewed challenges as he gets back into shape (and re-learns infestors).
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
April 14 2024 16:53 GMT
#11
Another W in the books for the GOAT
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 14 2024 17:21 GMT
#12
Even if it was a shut-out, Maru v Cure was a great watch. Just seems like everyone playing against Maru gets tilted.
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frustratedsc2user
Profile Joined March 2024
10 Posts
April 14 2024 19:05 GMT
#13
Maru wins a tournament that actually matters. Anyone surprised?
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-14 19:15:50
April 14 2024 19:15 GMT
#14
Good progress, but Maru should better hope that GSL will be around for a few more years, otherwise he will never crack the regional-record of SpeCial (I think 14 is the benchmark to beat?)
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Mmakorea
Profile Joined March 2024
16 Posts
April 15 2024 03:10 GMT
#15
Grats on another local trophy

Let’s see when he can start having international success

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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-15 04:34:58
April 15 2024 04:07 GMT
#16
On April 15 2024 12:10 Mmakorea wrote:
Grats on another local trophy

Let’s see when he can start having international success

2 IEM runner up isnt "international success"? Multiple Ro4 appearance in IEM/DH offline isnt "international success"? So I guess you think Oliveira, who won an IEM in a miracle year, or Soo who won 1 IEM from years ago, are considered to be more successful than Maru internationally? If thats the case than you need to stop your trolling
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44043 Posts
April 15 2024 08:05 GMT
#17
Great write-up! Congratulations to the GoaT!
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Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
April 15 2024 22:05 GMT
#18
I mean sure, he is the best player of all time as we know.
Pentarp
Profile Joined August 2015
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April 15 2024 23:10 GMT
#19
Haters gonna hate. GOAT gonna GOAT
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Starcloud
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137 Posts
April 16 2024 06:16 GMT
#20
No zergs in the top-4 ??

Buff infestors pls !

Nerf marine stim !
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
April 16 2024 08:16 GMT
#21
On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??

Buff infestors pls !

Nerf marine stim !


There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in.

Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times.

I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day.
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_TakeR_
Profile Joined December 2014
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April 16 2024 10:56 GMT
#22
Congrats Maru.Further cements his position as top Korean and best of the rest.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13319 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 13:14:20
April 16 2024 13:14 GMT
#23
On April 16 2024 17:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??

Buff infestors pls !

Nerf marine stim !


There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in.

Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times.

I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day.

Let's not forget Solar is far more used to Ro16 than ro8. He's just back to his usual self
Last year was the first time he made Ro8 since 2017, and I think everyone will agree that it was a wee bit easier in 2023 with all the retirements.
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2429 Posts
April 16 2024 14:05 GMT
#24
On April 16 2024 17:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??

Buff infestors pls !

Nerf marine stim !


There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in.

Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times.

I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day.


With Reynor and maybe Rogue participating next season, I think we have a plenty of Zerg gauntlets for Terran and Protoss to deal with.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 14:10:09
April 16 2024 14:08 GMT
#25
On April 16 2024 23:05 swarminfestor wrote:
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On April 16 2024 17:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??

Buff infestors pls !

Nerf marine stim !


There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in.

Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times.

I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day.


With Reynor and maybe Rogue participating next season, I think we have a plenty of Zerg gauntlets for Terran and Protoss to deal with.


I'm not going to keep my hopes up too high for Rogue since he is just coming back from the military. Reynor brings the hype, but the last time he was here his run was a big disappointment so I'm keeping my expectations of him measured as well.

I still think Dark and Solar are the two champions of Zerg in GSL for now. Dark has more to deal with in his personal life lately so he might not be practicing as much though, but he also might be more motivated because of it, impossible to know really.
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Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
April 16 2024 22:57 GMT
#26
for some reason this feels empty, perhaps its cuz of the lack of competition and lesser prize pool
Sjow "pretty ez life as protoss"
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12985 Posts
April 17 2024 00:34 GMT
#27
On April 16 2024 23:08 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 23:05 swarminfestor wrote:
On April 16 2024 17:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??

Buff infestors pls !

Nerf marine stim !


There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in.

Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times.

I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day.


With Reynor and maybe Rogue participating next season, I think we have a plenty of Zerg gauntlets for Terran and Protoss to deal with.


I'm not going to keep my hopes up too high for Rogue since he is just coming back from the military. Reynor brings the hype, but the last time he was here his run was a big disappointment so I'm keeping my expectations of him measured as well.

I still think Dark and Solar are the two champions of Zerg in GSL for now. Dark has more to deal with in his personal life lately so he might not be practicing as much though, but he also might be more motivated because of it, impossible to know really.


Agreed on Reynor, but especially the last time he competed in GSL he was coming in fire-hot and felt like one of the absolute top players in the world. That's obviously still true to an extent, but Reynor really hasn't looked in his top form since his Gamers8 win.

Still, I would give Reynor the highest chance to beat Maru in a Bo5/Bo7 out of any of the GSL players. Still less than 50% chance though.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
April 17 2024 02:20 GMT
#28
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
April 17 2024 06:04 GMT
#29
On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.


If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.

He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
April 17 2024 13:07 GMT
#30
On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.


If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.

He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.


I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning.
And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower?

And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-17 13:47:00
April 17 2024 13:41 GMT
#31
On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.


If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.

He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.


I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning.
And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower?

And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.


It matters because if you watch the series the tone of the series COMPLETELY changed after Ratushet. Maru was defeated after that, he didn't even try to play another game like that again because why would he when despite everything he did to win that game he still lost?

We see it all the time in Best of series in Starcraft. One game is the pivotal make or break point for a player, and in that series that's the game that decided it. If Maru wins that game then he stays with that style that was working for him instead of moving away from it like he did into styles where Serral has him beat.

Everyone including me, including the casters including the audience all knew that Serral won the series after winning that game. The rest of the games were just a formality. Now you can make the argument that the series wasn't over yet and that Maru still could come back despite being down 0-2, but that's arguing what should happen instead of what actually did happen. Maru was done after that game, you could see it in his play. The fact the rest of the series was over and done with so quick after that was not a coincidence.
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-17 14:53:30
April 17 2024 14:52 GMT
#32
On April 17 2024 22:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:
On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.


If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.

He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.


I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning.
And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower?

And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.


It matters because if you watch the series the tone of the series COMPLETELY changed after Ratushet. Maru was defeated after that, he didn't even try to play another game like that again because why would he when despite everything he did to win that game he still lost?

We see it all the time in Best of series in Starcraft. One game is the pivotal make or break point for a player, and in that series that's the game that decided it. If Maru wins that game then he stays with that style that was working for him instead of moving away from it like he did into styles where Serral has him beat.

Everyone including me, including the casters including the audience all knew that Serral won the series after winning that game. The rest of the games were just a formality. Now you can make the argument that the series wasn't over yet and that Maru still could come back despite being down 0-2, but that's arguing what should happen instead of what actually did happen. Maru was done after that game, you could see it in his play. The fact the rest of the series was over and done with so quick after that was not a coincidence.


Game 3/4 looked exactly like Game 1. Game 2 was the only one that was close and I still don't buy the entire "ohhhh, infestors soooo OP, poor Maru"-bs. Or that the map is that OP towards Zerg when Terran still has a positive winrate on it...It might be slightly favored for Zerg, but it isn't Lost Temple (RoC), so calm down. Not to mention how disrespectful it honestly is. You (like certain other people) honestly pretend like Serral was just showing up wishy-washy on that 2nd map and didn't do anything. Guy fought like a lion to fend off Maru and like on G1, in the end was the better player on that map aswell. In a game btw that must have been extremly frustrating, considering how generally frustrating it is to crack down a Terran on such a high level.

And even IF we pretend that everything you said is true and poor Maru was just shived by this one map: Not getting tilted is also a skillset which he apparently then lacks hugely. What is that logic? "Maru is the greatest ever, but please don't tilt him that is unfair, only play straightup games. Oh and if he ever has to scan defensively that is cheating and OP, please nerf!!1"?
Just a reminder that Serral last Katowice win was over Reynor and that Bo7 was the equivalent of a bareknuckle fight. So what, Maru would have drowned in that match from the get-go?

Oh, as an addendum: You are correct in one aspect, I also was kind of sure that Serral would win after Game 2. Because he proved that he was better than Maru at his best. And as I said earlier, Maru lacks the creativity/willpower/whatever to overcome that.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
April 17 2024 15:26 GMT
#33
On April 17 2024 23:52 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 22:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:
On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.


If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.

He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.


I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning.
And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower?

And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.


It matters because if you watch the series the tone of the series COMPLETELY changed after Ratushet. Maru was defeated after that, he didn't even try to play another game like that again because why would he when despite everything he did to win that game he still lost?

We see it all the time in Best of series in Starcraft. One game is the pivotal make or break point for a player, and in that series that's the game that decided it. If Maru wins that game then he stays with that style that was working for him instead of moving away from it like he did into styles where Serral has him beat.

Everyone including me, including the casters including the audience all knew that Serral won the series after winning that game. The rest of the games were just a formality. Now you can make the argument that the series wasn't over yet and that Maru still could come back despite being down 0-2, but that's arguing what should happen instead of what actually did happen. Maru was done after that game, you could see it in his play. The fact the rest of the series was over and done with so quick after that was not a coincidence.


Game 3/4 looked exactly like Game 1. Game 2 was the only one that was close and I still don't buy the entire "ohhhh, infestors soooo OP, poor Maru"-bs. Or that the map is that OP towards Zerg when Terran still has a positive winrate on it...It might be slightly favored for Zerg, but it isn't Lost Temple (RoC), so calm down. Not to mention how disrespectful it honestly is. You (like certain other people) honestly pretend like Serral was just showing up wishy-washy on that 2nd map and didn't do anything. Guy fought like a lion to fend off Maru and like on G1, in the end was the better player on that map aswell. In a game btw that must have been extremly frustrating, considering how generally frustrating it is to crack down a Terran on such a high level.

And even IF we pretend that everything you said is true and poor Maru was just shived by this one map: Not getting tilted is also a skillset which he apparently then lacks hugely. What is that logic? "Maru is the greatest ever, but please don't tilt him that is unfair, only play straightup games. Oh and if he ever has to scan defensively that is cheating and OP, please nerf!!1"?
Just a reminder that Serral last Katowice win was over Reynor and that Bo7 was the equivalent of a bareknuckle fight. So what, Maru would have drowned in that match from the get-go?

Oh, as an addendum: You are correct in one aspect, I also was kind of sure that Serral would win after Game 2. Because he proved that he was better than Maru at his best. And as I said earlier, Maru lacks the creativity/willpower/whatever to overcome that.


There's no point talking to you if you're going to CONSTANTLY put words in my mouth because you're so defensive about Serral.

At no point do I say that Serral didn't win that series or that he wasn't the better player in that series. I'm simply pointing out the fact that he had a map advantage in the critical game that decided the series. If Maru wins that game like I believe he should have, then a 1-1 series going into game 3 is a COMPLETELY different series than down 0-2 going into game 3. Anyone that understands the Bo7 format in any sport understands that.

At the level Maru and Serral play at, they are so good that if you give one of them a map advantage they are almost certainly going to use it to their advantage. Serral had the advantage at Katowice, with this current map pool Maru does now.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15878 Posts
April 17 2024 20:03 GMT
#34
On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.


If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.

He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.


I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning.
And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower?

And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.

I mean, in game 1 and game 3 Maru lost to an allin. Well prepared from Serral, congrats to him, but I wouldn't exactly consider that 'outclassed'. Or did Rogue completely outclass Serral in the bo7 he won in 20 minutes vs him?
game 2 was the only game out of the first 3 (didn't watch game 4 so no idea what happened there) where Maru got to play his game and it was extremely close despite the map being Zerg favored
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
April 17 2024 20:33 GMT
#35
On April 18 2024 00:26 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 23:52 Balnazza wrote:
On April 17 2024 22:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:
On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.


If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.

He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.


I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning.
And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower?

And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.


It matters because if you watch the series the tone of the series COMPLETELY changed after Ratushet. Maru was defeated after that, he didn't even try to play another game like that again because why would he when despite everything he did to win that game he still lost?

We see it all the time in Best of series in Starcraft. One game is the pivotal make or break point for a player, and in that series that's the game that decided it. If Maru wins that game then he stays with that style that was working for him instead of moving away from it like he did into styles where Serral has him beat.

Everyone including me, including the casters including the audience all knew that Serral won the series after winning that game. The rest of the games were just a formality. Now you can make the argument that the series wasn't over yet and that Maru still could come back despite being down 0-2, but that's arguing what should happen instead of what actually did happen. Maru was done after that game, you could see it in his play. The fact the rest of the series was over and done with so quick after that was not a coincidence.


Game 3/4 looked exactly like Game 1. Game 2 was the only one that was close and I still don't buy the entire "ohhhh, infestors soooo OP, poor Maru"-bs. Or that the map is that OP towards Zerg when Terran still has a positive winrate on it...It might be slightly favored for Zerg, but it isn't Lost Temple (RoC), so calm down. Not to mention how disrespectful it honestly is. You (like certain other people) honestly pretend like Serral was just showing up wishy-washy on that 2nd map and didn't do anything. Guy fought like a lion to fend off Maru and like on G1, in the end was the better player on that map aswell. In a game btw that must have been extremly frustrating, considering how generally frustrating it is to crack down a Terran on such a high level.

And even IF we pretend that everything you said is true and poor Maru was just shived by this one map: Not getting tilted is also a skillset which he apparently then lacks hugely. What is that logic? "Maru is the greatest ever, but please don't tilt him that is unfair, only play straightup games. Oh and if he ever has to scan defensively that is cheating and OP, please nerf!!1"?
Just a reminder that Serral last Katowice win was over Reynor and that Bo7 was the equivalent of a bareknuckle fight. So what, Maru would have drowned in that match from the get-go?

Oh, as an addendum: You are correct in one aspect, I also was kind of sure that Serral would win after Game 2. Because he proved that he was better than Maru at his best. And as I said earlier, Maru lacks the creativity/willpower/whatever to overcome that.


There's no point talking to you if you're going to CONSTANTLY put words in my mouth because you're so defensive about Serral.

At no point do I say that Serral didn't win that series or that he wasn't the better player in that series. I'm simply pointing out the fact that he had a map advantage in the critical game that decided the series. If Maru wins that game like I believe he should have, then a 1-1 series going into game 3 is a COMPLETELY different series than down 0-2 going into game 3. Anyone that understands the Bo7 format in any sport understands that.

At the level Maru and Serral play at, they are so good that if you give one of them a map advantage they are almost certainly going to use it to their advantage. Serral had the advantage at Katowice, with this current map pool Maru does now.


Sorry, but "the map advantage on the critical game" is just weird. It was the second map. If your spirit is completly broken after two maps, get the hell out of the finals. That is not something to mention in favor of Maru and/or against Serral. That is purely against Maru.
If this was game 7 and they would have played on a map with 70% zerg-winrate, then I would be totally with you. But not on Game freakin' 2. Not on a map that is actually terran-favored by stats.
Here is a hot-take: Marus spirit was "broken", because it was absolutely clear he couldn't win that day. Had nothing to do with the map.

On April 18 2024 05:03 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:
On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.


If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.

He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.


I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning.
And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower?

And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.

I mean, in game 1 and game 3 Maru lost to an allin. Well prepared from Serral, congrats to him, but I wouldn't exactly consider that 'outclassed'. Or did Rogue completely outclass Serral in the bo7 he won in 20 minutes vs him?
game 2 was the only game out of the first 3 (didn't watch game 4 so no idea what happened there) where Maru got to play his game and it was extremely close despite the map being Zerg favored


I haven't seen that Rogue/Serral series people often mention, but I wouldn't say that isn't impossible for Rogue to outclass Serral in a single series. Score isn't everything, it comes down to the games. A 4-0 can be close as hell, while a 4-3 can still feel onesided.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
April 18 2024 02:04 GMT
#36
That was a "close" 4-0 if thats ever such a thing, at least when both sides play it out in game 2 and 4. I swear to God that I thought Maru could have force game 2 to a draw by flying his building into one corner and have his army on the other sides threating Serral base. Serral army was mainly on BLord and Infestor at the end of that game, meaning he cant cover the entire map because of the lack of mobility. And game 4 Maru didnt wall off the right side of this 3rd is just painful but the trade was good for him.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-18 07:22:31
April 18 2024 07:21 GMT
#37
Didn't Maru lose his army out on the map at a Serral base, when he should've just camped? The Serral vs. Maru finals was not close at all, it was Maru trying to find any chink in the armour and we saw Serral outclass him in 4 different kind of scenarios.. When Serral had 3-0'd Clem and defeated Dark, was when we knew he won Katowice.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3340 Posts
April 18 2024 07:24 GMT
#38
I agree that if Maru had won CONVINCINGLY, then he could continue turtling on the other maps, but with how close this game was on a turtlling favoured map, there's no way.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-18 07:36:26
April 18 2024 07:32 GMT
#39
On April 18 2024 16:24 ejozl wrote:
I agree that if Maru had won CONVINCINGLY, then he could continue turtling on the other maps, but with how close this game was on a turtlling favoured map, there's no way.

Rahudset was NOT a turtling favored map, the bias is crazy. Even PiG said that map was way too open and the base are spread out too much making it hard to setup defense and choke point. I would like to see any other Terran try to turtle against Serral on that maps and see how it goes.
johnnyh123
Profile Joined February 2023
89 Posts
April 20 2024 02:35 GMT
#40
Congrats, well deserved.
Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States129 Posts
April 20 2024 05:22 GMT
#41
On April 17 2024 07:57 Riner1212 wrote:
for some reason this feels empty, perhaps its cuz of the lack of competition and lesser prize pool


You're right, beating the second or third best terran and the best protoss in the same day is a complete lack of competition.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10316 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-20 08:21:25
April 20 2024 08:20 GMT
#42
On April 20 2024 14:22 Telephone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 07:57 Riner1212 wrote:
for some reason this feels empty, perhaps its cuz of the lack of competition and lesser prize pool


You're right, beating the second or third best terran and the best protoss in the same day is a complete lack of competition.


2nd or 3rd best Terran and best Protoss out of... how many active professional level Terran and Protosses?
Compared to earlier GSLs in a more competitive era.

And what about the prize pool? Are they trying nearly as hard anymore?
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Pentarp
Profile Joined August 2015
210 Posts
April 20 2024 18:28 GMT
#43
On April 20 2024 17:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2024 14:22 Telephone wrote:
On April 17 2024 07:57 Riner1212 wrote:
for some reason this feels empty, perhaps its cuz of the lack of competition and lesser prize pool


You're right, beating the second or third best terran and the best protoss in the same day is a complete lack of competition.


2nd or 3rd best Terran and best Protoss out of... how many active professional level Terran and Protosses?
Compared to earlier GSLs in a more competitive era.

And what about the prize pool? Are they trying nearly as hard anymore?

Why wouldn't they try as hard? It's still their sole source of income and their passion.

The lack of posts on TL is indicative of the decline of scene and the lack of controversy. Controversial threads have multiple posts from most the same people (and their pathetic alts lol).
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10316 Posts
April 21 2024 02:37 GMT
#44
On April 21 2024 03:28 Pentarp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2024 17:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On April 20 2024 14:22 Telephone wrote:
On April 17 2024 07:57 Riner1212 wrote:
for some reason this feels empty, perhaps its cuz of the lack of competition and lesser prize pool


You're right, beating the second or third best terran and the best protoss in the same day is a complete lack of competition.


2nd or 3rd best Terran and best Protoss out of... how many active professional level Terran and Protosses?
Compared to earlier GSLs in a more competitive era.

And what about the prize pool? Are they trying nearly as hard anymore?

Why wouldn't they try as hard? It's still their sole source of income and their passion.

The lack of posts on TL is indicative of the decline of scene and the lack of controversy. Controversial threads have multiple posts from most the same people (and their pathetic alts lol).


I mean, recent GSLs have much less money in them compared to other tournies.
GSL and KR tournaments specifically are relatively less competitive.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4902 Posts
April 24 2024 08:06 GMT
#45
On April 21 2024 11:37 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2024 03:28 Pentarp wrote:
On April 20 2024 17:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On April 20 2024 14:22 Telephone wrote:
On April 17 2024 07:57 Riner1212 wrote:
for some reason this feels empty, perhaps its cuz of the lack of competition and lesser prize pool


You're right, beating the second or third best terran and the best protoss in the same day is a complete lack of competition.


2nd or 3rd best Terran and best Protoss out of... how many active professional level Terran and Protosses?
Compared to earlier GSLs in a more competitive era.

And what about the prize pool? Are they trying nearly as hard anymore?

Why wouldn't they try as hard? It's still their sole source of income and their passion.

The lack of posts on TL is indicative of the decline of scene and the lack of controversy. Controversial threads have multiple posts from most the same people (and their pathetic alts lol).


I mean, recent GSLs have much less money in them compared to other tournies.
GSL and KR tournaments specifically are relatively less competitive.



Relative less competitive than past GSLs? Absolutely! Relatively less competitive than the rest of contemporary tournaments? No.
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