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spirit76
25 Posts
On January 24 2024 17:08 Charoisaur wrote: Considering Mizenhauer values winning a lot in a short amount of time highly, Mvp will also be there MVP has to be on this list! MC to me is also top ten, he changed the way protoss is played and he still has the record for more gsl for a protoss player. soO doesnt belong in the top 10. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2220 Posts
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Pavel Nedved
8 Posts
2.Maru 3.Rogue 4.Innovation 5.Dark 6.TY 7.herO 8.Zest 9.SoO 10.MVP | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
He's the best midgame zerg, and arguably the best ZvZ, of all time. Making 4 GSL finals in a row, in an era where no one else even made back to back ro4s, is one of the biggest achievements in the games history. He was a better starleague player than anyone else except Maru. Some people only care about trophies, but if you care about achievements in any broader sense, he deserves the spot. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27250 Posts
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Sorusaba
310 Posts
Yeah, soO deserves it. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
 Definitely deserves a place. Getting to the finals so many times is a sign of great talent, even if he didn't get over the line. | ||
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Locutus_
Brazil65 Posts
Its Zest or Dark. Hard Call. I think Zest is out though. | ||
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Comedy
469 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7799 Posts
On January 24 2024 21:25 Comedy wrote: I think it's easy let mvp out at this point. He was only dominant for 2 years or so, and he still lost a ton in foreign tournaments etc. Just won a bunch of gsl's. Instead of posting this it would have been more honest for you to say "I never watched Mvp play and I am misinformed about his greatness." Read TL's article on him from the 2015 GOAT list and maybe you will understand. 4 GSLs, IEM, WCG, MLG, Blizzcon in 2 years is genuinely insane and also being such an innovator in terms of builds. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
On January 24 2024 16:44 Charoisaur wrote: Then Stats should also be there considering he has more 2nd places than soO including in 3 world championships and actually won 2 starleagues On the other hand, look at who made the list | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1948 Posts
On January 25 2024 00:38 Cricketer12 wrote: On the other hand, look at who made the list You already turned on Stats by gushing about other Protoss players. | ||
Poopi
France13011 Posts
That’s also why MMA beating mvp and achieving various other great things (like winning a premier in every extension) was kind of a big thing in WoL | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
I think the top 6 was always set and should be pretty consistent across any GOAT list. soO and sOs falling in after makes sense and they have have something that's set them apart from the next tier. But beyond that for #9-20 I'd go Stats, Dark, TY, Rain, NesTea, Classic, MC, Taeja, Reynor, Trap, CJ herO, MMA, or something like that. You can really jig all those guys however you want without it being particularly outlandish | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1171 Posts
lol | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
On January 24 2024 12:02 serralbest wrote: There are also rankings in China 10.MVP 9.Rain 8.hero 7.rogue 6.zest 5.stats 4.dark 3.innovation 2.maru 1.serral Rogue pretty low Move him to the 2nd spot and everything looks pretty good | ||
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yubo56
690 Posts
On January 25 2024 02:16 TossHeroes wrote: Rogue pretty low Move him to the 2nd spot and everything looks pretty good yeah I agree, this is an incredibly hot take if Rogue got 7th haha, with 4 GSLs and 3 WCs I agree with the rest of the people that it seems like the remaining six must be maru rogue serral inno mvp zest (roughly), so it looks like Dark is out  And fair enough, soO did have a much more dominant peak (even if it was without golds) than Dark, and Dark never really managed to string together anything resembling a reign of dominance. He's probably the single greatest "good player of the game", in that his play passes every eye test, but he simply never got the results to match. I think that stats and trap are kinda in that bucket too though, so maybe not single greatest haha.Though I do think that mvp's reign at the top is kinda short, at only two years, and his "four GSLs" are boosted by the number of GSLs, he won 4/17 GSLs in a 1yr4mo spread... I wonder if there's any chance his relative lack of longevity kicks him out? But of course, he is part of THE sc2 experience for most longtime fans, so if we're making a list of the greatest players of all time (and not just the best / most dominant players), that X factor probably keeps him in the list. | ||
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tigera6
3512 Posts
And imagine if Rogue somehow make it to the IEM Final against Oliveira, it would be a fucking massacre, not a magical fairy-tale, because thats what Rogue does to storyline. So yeah, anything outside of top 3 is straight-up bad imo, he could might as well be top 1 depending on how we value big time tournament performance. | ||
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spirit76
25 Posts
On January 24 2024 22:35 RPR_Tempest wrote: Instead of posting this it would have been more honest for you to say "I never watched Mvp play and I am misinformed about his greatness." Read TL's article on him from the 2015 GOAT list and maybe you will understand. 4 GSLs, IEM, WCG, MLG, Blizzcon in 2 years is genuinely insane and also being such an innovator in terms of builds. do you have a link? i cant find the article. | ||
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spirit76
25 Posts
its not just about how many championships he won, its also about how dominant he was, how he changed the game, the builds he had, his macro, his micro, how great he was in big important matches, how smart he was, he was ahead of everyone, i was great to see him play back in the day. sadly his wrist and other injuries prevent him of winning more tournament and his career was cut short. but even with all those health issues, he was still dominant and doing crazy things. | ||
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