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Lazzarus
Profile Joined December 2008
Faroe Islands114 Posts
October 13 2023 14:04 GMT
#1
Hi all,

It's now official: https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2023/10/13/xbox-activision-blizzard/

Satya Nadella (Microsoft CEO) on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7118581997496635392/
slit
Profile Joined March 2013
Spain212 Posts
October 13 2023 20:09 GMT
#2
Starcraft 3 here we go!

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A man can dream
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
October 13 2023 20:36 GMT
#3
On October 14 2023 05:09 slit wrote:
Starcraft 3 here we go!

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A man can dream


I like your cautious optimism. The philosophy of Microsoft's game development team is different than Activision's. So, the possibility for SC3 exists, but it's probably not likely.
Skill is relative.
jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
October 13 2023 21:32 GMT
#4
Yeah they are gonna make RTS great again.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
October 13 2023 22:58 GMT
#5
On October 14 2023 05:09 slit wrote:
Starcraft 3 here we go!

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A man can dream

Phil Spencer did specifically name drop Starcraft as an IP he wants to invest in so who knows.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
October 14 2023 10:27 GMT
#6
On October 14 2023 05:09 slit wrote:
Starcraft 3 here we go!

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A man can dream

I’m hoping for, Starcraft Flight Simulator, to be released.
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 14 2023 14:08 GMT
#7
Honestly I don't think we need SC3 or even Stormgate. As BW fanboy I still think that SC2 has by far the BEST engine, animations and graphics. They need to continue supporting SC2 and Remastered. New coop commander? Bring it on. New Nova campaign? I'll try it. New skins? Why not. Just continue support bit by bit, I'm 100% sure people will support and buy new DLCs.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
October 14 2023 16:00 GMT
#8
On October 14 2023 23:08 outscar wrote:
Honestly I don't think we need SC3 or even Stormgate. As BW fanboy I still think that SC2 has by far the BEST engine, animations and graphics. They need to continue supporting SC2 and Remastered. New coop commander? Bring it on. New Nova campaign? I'll try it. New skins? Why not. Just continue support bit by bit, I'm 100% sure people will support and buy new DLCs.

I gotta agree. SC2 is in a very impressive state and looks amazing. But SC3 will be healthy for growth.
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vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
October 14 2023 16:36 GMT
#9
I would love to see new blood in the scene, but RTS is not in vogue atm
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
October 14 2023 16:48 GMT
#10
On October 14 2023 23:08 outscar wrote:
Honestly I don't think we need SC3 or even Stormgate. As BW fanboy I still think that SC2 has by far the BEST engine, animations and graphics. They need to continue supporting SC2 and Remastered. New coop commander? Bring it on. New Nova campaign? I'll try it. New skins? Why not. Just continue support bit by bit, I'm 100% sure people will support and buy new DLCs.

I’m kinda unsure why they stopped, and stopped doing things like War Chests. By all means strip it down to bare bones but there’s surely still a decent demand and return for it
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Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
October 14 2023 18:36 GMT
#11
On October 15 2023 01:48 WombaT wrote:
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On October 14 2023 23:08 outscar wrote:
Honestly I don't think we need SC3 or even Stormgate. As BW fanboy I still think that SC2 has by far the BEST engine, animations and graphics. They need to continue supporting SC2 and Remastered. New coop commander? Bring it on. New Nova campaign? I'll try it. New skins? Why not. Just continue support bit by bit, I'm 100% sure people will support and buy new DLCs.

I’m kinda unsure why they stopped, and stopped doing things like War Chests. By all means strip it down to bare bones but there’s surely still a decent demand and return for it


The profitability of sc2 was discussed in thr investor calls. What it boiled down to, is that investing a dollar in candy crush, warcraft or call of duty would yield higher return than investing a dollar in starcraft.
Its not that starcraft wasnt profitable, but the other options were more profitable, so starcarft was rationalized.
fhgrtzfhfr
Profile Joined October 2023
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-14 20:16:36
October 14 2023 20:15 GMT
#12
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-14 21:37:19
October 14 2023 21:25 GMT
#13
Instead of SC3, I'd prefer SC2 be fixed and patched so that it can take advantage of modern CPUs. It's still single threaded and can benefit from a multi-thread update. Fixing the balance and taking more control of its esports division like how Riot and Valve takes control of their esports would be nice too. These updates may help attract newcomers to the scene and new professional gamers. Right now, we have little to no new professional gamers while League of Legends and CS:GO/CS2 constantly attracts new talent.

Instead of having just one tournament circuit like ESL Pro Tour, it'd be nice to have a league for players who are not as skilled. A tier 2 circuit as they call it.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33385 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 01:12:16
October 15 2023 01:10 GMT
#14
Even with some Microsoft execs hinting at revisiting the StarCraft IP, I think it's highly unlikely we get a StarCraft sequel in the 'true' lineage of BW/SC2. Maybe some console-friendly RTS that appeals to a more general audience, but probably not the kind of game hardcore BW and SC2 fans are looking for.

What I AM huffing some hopium over is Brood War and StarCraft II getting some table scraps as a side effect of a new StarCraft game. Maybe Blizzard/MS is paranoid from their experience with War3: Reforged, where the hardcore community was at the forefront of leading a larger wave of horrible PR? They may think it's in their interest to curry favor with the hardcore SC community ahead of a new title. Maybe there could be some minor shifting of personnel around Classic Games so there's are more people involved with StarCraft. We're at such a bare minimum support level right now that even ONE more person having BW/SC2 become their semi-responsibility might speed up basic tasks to maintain the game (updating the ladder with maps entirely made and QA'd by the community).
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
October 15 2023 03:37 GMT
#15
On October 15 2023 10:10 Waxangel wrote:
Even with some Microsoft execs hinting at revisiting the StarCraft IP, I think it's highly unlikely we get a StarCraft sequel in the 'true' lineage of BW/SC2. Maybe some console-friendly RTS that appeals to a more general audience, but probably not the kind of game hardcore BW and SC2 fans are looking for.

What I AM huffing some hopium over is Brood War and StarCraft II getting some table scraps as a side effect of a new StarCraft game. Maybe Blizzard/MS is paranoid from their experience with War3: Reforged, where the hardcore community was at the forefront of leading a larger wave of horrible PR? They may think it's in their interest to curry favor with the hardcore SC community ahead of a new title. Maybe there could be some minor shifting of personnel around Classic Games so there's are more people involved with StarCraft. We're at such a bare minimum support level right now that even ONE more person having BW/SC2 become their semi-responsibility might speed up basic tasks to maintain the game (updating the ladder with maps entirely made and QA'd by the community).

I just hope it's not the Microsoft classic move of embrace, extend, and extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

embrace SC2, extend it by giving us patches and sponsoring tournaments and making SC3, then extinguish our scene because it's a consolized Xbox game
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33385 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 04:03:57
October 15 2023 04:00 GMT
#16
On October 15 2023 12:37 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2023 10:10 Waxangel wrote:
Even with some Microsoft execs hinting at revisiting the StarCraft IP, I think it's highly unlikely we get a StarCraft sequel in the 'true' lineage of BW/SC2. Maybe some console-friendly RTS that appeals to a more general audience, but probably not the kind of game hardcore BW and SC2 fans are looking for.

What I AM huffing some hopium over is Brood War and StarCraft II getting some table scraps as a side effect of a new StarCraft game. Maybe Blizzard/MS is paranoid from their experience with War3: Reforged, where the hardcore community was at the forefront of leading a larger wave of horrible PR? They may think it's in their interest to curry favor with the hardcore SC community ahead of a new title. Maybe there could be some minor shifting of personnel around Classic Games so there's are more people involved with StarCraft. We're at such a bare minimum support level right now that even ONE more person having BW/SC2 become their semi-responsibility might speed up basic tasks to maintain the game (updating the ladder with maps entirely made and QA'd by the community).

I just hope it's not the Microsoft classic move of embrace, extend, and extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

embrace SC2, extend it by giving us patches and sponsoring tournaments and making SC3, then extinguish our scene because it's a consolized Xbox game


I don't see how this is applicable since this particular strategy relates to entering a relatively 'open' category and then monopolizing it by grafting proprietary technology to it. The video games market is about creating a proprietary product from the very beginning; this is just shifting ownership of one proprietary product which has already had several notable IP-based disputes (StarCraft) to another owner.

But, yes, Microsoft could mismanage its third party relationships regarding StarCraft.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
October 15 2023 04:14 GMT
#17
On October 15 2023 13:00 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2023 12:37 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 15 2023 10:10 Waxangel wrote:
Even with some Microsoft execs hinting at revisiting the StarCraft IP, I think it's highly unlikely we get a StarCraft sequel in the 'true' lineage of BW/SC2. Maybe some console-friendly RTS that appeals to a more general audience, but probably not the kind of game hardcore BW and SC2 fans are looking for.

What I AM huffing some hopium over is Brood War and StarCraft II getting some table scraps as a side effect of a new StarCraft game. Maybe Blizzard/MS is paranoid from their experience with War3: Reforged, where the hardcore community was at the forefront of leading a larger wave of horrible PR? They may think it's in their interest to curry favor with the hardcore SC community ahead of a new title. Maybe there could be some minor shifting of personnel around Classic Games so there's are more people involved with StarCraft. We're at such a bare minimum support level right now that even ONE more person having BW/SC2 become their semi-responsibility might speed up basic tasks to maintain the game (updating the ladder with maps entirely made and QA'd by the community).

I just hope it's not the Microsoft classic move of embrace, extend, and extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

embrace SC2, extend it by giving us patches and sponsoring tournaments and making SC3, then extinguish our scene because it's a consolized Xbox game


I don't see how this is applicable since this particular strategy relates to entering a relatively 'open' category and then monopolizing it by grafting proprietary technology to it. The video games market is about creating a proprietary product from the very beginning; this is just shifting ownership of one proprietary product which has already had several notable IP-based disputes (StarCraft) to another owner.

But, yes, Microsoft could mismanage its third party relationships regarding StarCraft.

well the esport scene is pretty open, lots of people hosting tournaments
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44312 Posts
October 15 2023 12:09 GMT
#18
I'm definitely happy that Bobby Kotick is gone now. It is pretty interesting that Microsoft's model is now to absorb already-successful gaming companies to try to stay relevant when it comes to video games, given how poorly Xbox generations tend to perform against PlayStation and Nintendo generations.

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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
October 15 2023 12:46 GMT
#19
Microsoft needs to fire a ton of incompetent people currently working at Blizzard. After that they need to do one thing, and one thing only: make good games. Games that are fun, creative and impactful. If they can actually do that, then they don't need to worry very much about the impact of their future projects on existing franchises. They just need to not break the older games.
Just don't fuck things up, and make good new games. Simple.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Lazzarus
Profile Joined December 2008
Faroe Islands114 Posts
October 15 2023 12:58 GMT
#20
Bobby Kotick departing January 1, 2024.

https://outof.games/news/6631-bobby-kotick-departing-activision-blizzard-on-january-1-2024/
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
October 15 2023 13:19 GMT
#21
On October 14 2023 19:27 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2023 05:09 slit wrote:
Starcraft 3 here we go!

+ Show Spoiler +
A man can dream

I’m hoping for, Starcraft Flight Simulator, to be released.


that would be right in your wheel house.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 22:17:57
October 15 2023 22:13 GMT
#22
i wonder how much extra Kotick got paid to pretend he was running ATVI?
Kelly and Kotick must be laughing their asses off.

https://ca.wallmine.com/people/437/brian-g-kelly

Kelly is worth several times more... owned a bigger % of ATVI at every step along the way ... and was the chairman of the board.

None of these amazing "gaming journalists" ever dug into anything Brian Kelly ever did? I guess they were too busy cooking up conspiracy theories about how Warren Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway were scamming ATVI investors. LOL.

What the hell was Kotick yammering on about Pitfall! and River Raid like he was part of it? He prolly made the error intentionally to see if any of the brilliant members of the fifth estate would call him on it. They didn't.
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sidasf
Profile Joined February 2023
83 Posts
October 16 2023 05:33 GMT
#23
On October 15 2023 06:25 geokilla wrote:
Instead of SC3, I'd prefer SC2 be fixed and patched so that it can take advantage of modern CPUs. It's still single threaded and can benefit from a multi-thread update. Fixing the balance and taking more control of its esports division like how Riot and Valve takes control of their esports would be nice too. These updates may help attract newcomers to the scene and new professional gamers. Right now, we have little to no new professional gamers while League of Legends and CS:GO/CS2 constantly attracts new talent.

Instead of having just one tournament circuit like ESL Pro Tour, it'd be nice to have a league for players who are not as skilled. A tier 2 circuit as they call it.


+1
Striker.superfreunde
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany1119 Posts
October 16 2023 06:54 GMT
#24
I can see the possibilty of Starcraft: Ghost if they dont manage to get back on track with Halo.
But phew, that would take a decade until it becomes true.
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
October 16 2023 08:21 GMT
#25
On October 15 2023 06:25 geokilla wrote:
Instead of SC3, I'd prefer SC2 be fixed and patched so that it can take advantage of modern CPUs. It's still single threaded and can benefit from a multi-thread update. Fixing the balance and taking more control of its esports division like how Riot and Valve takes control of their esports would be nice too. These updates may help attract newcomers to the scene and new professional gamers. Right now, we have little to no new professional gamers while League of Legends and CS:GO/CS2 constantly attracts new talent.

Instead of having just one tournament circuit like ESL Pro Tour, it'd be nice to have a league for players who are not as skilled. A tier 2 circuit as they call it.

This will very likely never happen.
I remember there being a dev post talking about that basically anything that can be parallelized already is done so.
It turned out that when you added networking in the mix while making sure that both plays see the exact same thing, you barely have anything to spread across multiple cores due to internal data dependencies.

However my memory is a bit murky on this.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
October 16 2023 08:22 GMT
#26
On October 15 2023 12:37 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2023 10:10 Waxangel wrote:
Even with some Microsoft execs hinting at revisiting the StarCraft IP, I think it's highly unlikely we get a StarCraft sequel in the 'true' lineage of BW/SC2. Maybe some console-friendly RTS that appeals to a more general audience, but probably not the kind of game hardcore BW and SC2 fans are looking for.

What I AM huffing some hopium over is Brood War and StarCraft II getting some table scraps as a side effect of a new StarCraft game. Maybe Blizzard/MS is paranoid from their experience with War3: Reforged, where the hardcore community was at the forefront of leading a larger wave of horrible PR? They may think it's in their interest to curry favor with the hardcore SC community ahead of a new title. Maybe there could be some minor shifting of personnel around Classic Games so there's are more people involved with StarCraft. We're at such a bare minimum support level right now that even ONE more person having BW/SC2 become their semi-responsibility might speed up basic tasks to maintain the game (updating the ladder with maps entirely made and QA'd by the community).

I just hope it's not the Microsoft classic move of embrace, extend, and extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

embrace SC2, extend it by giving us patches and sponsoring tournaments and making SC3, then extinguish our scene because it's a consolized Xbox game

IMO embrace extend and extinguish hasn't been the MO for Microsoft since Steve Balmer stepped down.
Besides the company has grown to big to make any of these super generalized statements.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
October 16 2023 13:59 GMT
#27
While I think this is probably good for the company.....even though Kotick is an abuser and getting a golden parachute I don't think this means Starcraft 3. Like even if they wanted to do Starcraft 3, Team 1 is basically scattered to the winds. It's going to take a long while to get talent.

"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
October 16 2023 21:46 GMT
#28
On October 16 2023 22:59 lestye wrote:
While I think this is probably good for the company.....even though Kotick is an abuser and getting a golden parachute I don't think this means Starcraft 3. Like even if they wanted to do Starcraft 3, Team 1 is basically scattered to the winds. It's going to take a long while to get talent.

Kotick is role playing. Bryan Kelly was the chairman of the board. Nice acting job by Kotick though and a decent distraction. Reminds me of the illusionists who point to their left hand while their right hand is pulling off the trick.

The video game journalist fraternity ain't that smart so it was easy for Bryan Kelly to hide in plain sight.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
October 17 2023 04:45 GMT
#29
As someone who likes starcraft and works at Microsoft this seems overall pretty good. Microsoft has been pretty under the radar when it comes to esports. I did check out the Halo world championship last year which they put on and it was cool. Seems like they are trying with HCS and it would be cool to see some multi-game events with Halo, CoD, SC2, maybe WC3, AOE3/4, Overwatch? kinda like the old MLGs since they have so many titles under their banner now.
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
October 17 2023 16:01 GMT
#30
On October 17 2023 06:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2023 22:59 lestye wrote:
While I think this is probably good for the company.....even though Kotick is an abuser and getting a golden parachute I don't think this means Starcraft 3. Like even if they wanted to do Starcraft 3, Team 1 is basically scattered to the winds. It's going to take a long while to get talent.

Kotick is role playing. Bryan Kelly was the chairman of the board. Nice acting job by Kotick though and a decent distraction. Reminds me of the illusionists who point to their left hand while their right hand is pulling off the trick.

The video game journalist fraternity ain't that smart so it was easy for Bryan Kelly to hide in plain sight.

I mean even if Kotick is roleplaying business guy, he's still an abuser so I'm glad he's gone.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
sydneychogan
Profile Joined September 2024
5 Posts
October 17 2024 19:24 GMT
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