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Turning of the Tide: When Neeb Won KeSPA Cup 2016

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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1053 Posts
March 29 2023 19:18 GMT
#3
Great article - I'm sorry to say that I completely forgot about (Z)Pet!
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
March 29 2023 19:38 GMT
#4
ah, the memories :')
Excellent write-up as usual !
I like starcraft
spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
March 29 2023 22:21 GMT
#5
Great article! Neeb really did change the game!
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain880 Posts
March 29 2023 22:52 GMT
#6
Nicely written, great memories!
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
March 29 2023 23:09 GMT
#7
Was in America when this happened, proud to say that I pulled all-nighters (while working on my assignments) to see this fantasy become a reality
Faker is the GOAT!
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10340 Posts
March 29 2023 23:50 GMT
#8
Recently i was thinking it's too bad there is a lack of Protoss champions, especially foreigner, but then I remembered Neeb!
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Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany459 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-30 01:23:08
March 30 2023 01:22 GMT
#9
Can't believe there were already Disruptors in 2016, this unit still feels so new XD
Man, I'm getting old..
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
March 30 2023 01:49 GMT
#10
I don't think Byun won GSL Season 2. I also thought Neeb's first appearance in WCS America as Terran was in 2014. I remember him playing either Polt or Taeja in a TvT that year.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
March 30 2023 10:25 GMT
#11
Thank you. One of my all time favourite StarCraft memories.
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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
March 30 2023 13:00 GMT
#12
One of the best tournaments I ever worked on. Such a memorable run.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10340 Posts
March 30 2023 14:40 GMT
#13
On March 30 2023 22:00 Wolf wrote:
One of the best tournaments I ever worked on. Such a memorable run.


Miss your casting, but hope you're doing well!! Was nice hearing your voice again rewatching that VOD.
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catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3829 Posts
March 31 2023 14:01 GMT
#14
Where you see a Neeb writeup, I see ten paragraphs of a frontpage feature being dedicated to PET!!! Fuck yeah! Pet is trending upwards in 2023. Can't wait for the full Pet career retrospective

On March 30 2023 04:18 MJG wrote:
Great article - I'm sorry to say that I completely forgot about (Z)Pet!

what the fuck man
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
tlnetuser108
Profile Joined October 2022
83 Posts
March 31 2023 22:52 GMT
#15
Unlike modern day foreigners that rely on patches, Neeb actually relied on real skill. 2018 was the start of the foreigner patch zerg era as well as when most good Koreans retired. I would say Neeb was the last foreigner to actually deserve his win
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-03 02:15:51
April 03 2023 01:38 GMT
#16
On March 30 2023 22:00 Wolf wrote:
One of the best tournaments I ever worked on. Such a memorable run.


I also miss your casting and hope you are doing well these days, Wolf!
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15958 Posts
April 05 2023 19:27 GMT
#17
Wasn't that tournament around the time teamhouses were closing and the koreans had to move out and transition to being independent players? Not to take away from Neeb but I think that definitely had an impact
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-05 21:20:49
April 05 2023 21:17 GMT
#18
On April 06 2023 04:27 Charoisaur wrote:
Wasn't that tournament around the time teamhouses were closing and the koreans had to move out and transition to being independent players? Not to take away from Neeb but I think that definitely had an impact


There was a decent-sized section about this that got cut out.

There's some interviews/videos that attest to progamers being very demoralized at the time, but nothing that directly connects it to reduced effort or practice. In fact, given the WCS points situation at this event, players like Classic and herO were incentivized to play extremely hard to qualify for BlizzCon (they did not make the cut), while already qualified players like Zest and Stats should have been practicing hard since BlizzCon was just a month away.

Now, I do feel like I've heard off-hand or at least speculatively that KeSPA teams closing DID affect players' play levels, but we couldn't find sourcing that was acceptable. Ultimately, the element with Proleague ending/KeSPA teams disbanding felt too speculative to add.
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1175 Posts
April 05 2023 23:01 GMT
#19
It also feels weird to think that just one month of no teamhouses leveled the field that much when people always assume koreans before that were galaxies in front of the foreign scene
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
kamalsirji
Profile Joined April 2023
1 Post
Last Edited: 2023-04-05 23:19:18
April 05 2023 23:19 GMT
#20
Bot edit.

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YoMeR
Profile Joined January 2003
United States263 Posts
April 06 2023 05:07 GMT
#21
I remember watching that tourny live...What a treat it was. Respect to neeb.
Losers are acceptable, Failures are not. And your sir, are a Failure.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15958 Posts
April 06 2023 10:43 GMT
#22
On April 06 2023 08:01 Balnazza wrote:
It also feels weird to think that just one month of no teamhouses leveled the field that much when people always assume koreans before that were galaxies in front of the foreign scene

I mean, koreans WERE galaxies in front of the foreign scene, we know that for a fact based on tournament results.
But no, I don't think the disbandment of teamhouses alone leveled the playing field, Neeb (and later Serral, Reynor etc) are obviously huge talents who deserved every amount of success they were getting. But still the circumstances were in Neebs favor when he won that tournament.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
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