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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
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MJG
United Kingdom927 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1604 Posts
On March 23 2023 21:35 MJG wrote: Random shouldn't be allowed in tournaments. Complete farce. exactly. or at least u should have to tell race. cant even do vetos or any openings correctly cuz of this. not that impressive. | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
On March 23 2023 21:44 CicadaSC wrote: exactly. or at least u should have to tell race. cant even do vetos or any openings correctly cuz of this. not that impressive. Is it problematic to the point it would disrupt Premier/Major events, is the end problem there. Open cups are not a true depiction of what it could potentially cause. I have yet to see other active players strong enough to attempt a true random. | ||
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JJH777
United States4400 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17669 Posts
On March 23 2023 21:44 CicadaSC wrote: exactly. or at least u should have to tell race. cant even do vetos or any openings correctly cuz of this. not that impressive. I think it's impressive, but it is potentially problematic, maybe depending on maps it could be more of an issue. I'd be ok with tournaments requiring race-telling for random. I think race picking for individual maps is the real problem but currently nobody is doing that | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On March 24 2023 03:00 Die4Ever wrote: I think it's impressive, but it is potentially problematic, maybe depending on maps it could be more of an issue. I'd be ok with tournaments requiring race-telling for random. I think race picking for individual maps is the real problem but currently nobody is doing that Yeah, that's been my only objection to Reynor off-racing in the past, where he'd pick between series or even maps. Playing random start to end may be a little cheesy, but I don't think it's an actual problem. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15919 Posts
On March 24 2023 02:37 JJH777 wrote: I don't think true random is a problem at all. There's a reason no one has ever been particularly successful with it. Race picking within a single series is very problematic but thankfully seems to not be the route he's trying to go anymore. Agreed, there's no problem at all with random. If playing random would be an advantage we would have multiple random players but it's a huge disadvantage having to learn all 9 matchups | ||
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Amoyu7
20 Posts
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BelethielQT
90 Posts
On March 26 2023 08:17 Amoyu7 wrote: Why do people having problem with Reynor playing random? It's not like he gains any advantage for that. There's a reason 99% of pro players doesn't play random because it's just harder to master all 9 match ups. They have a problem with reynor in general | ||
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tigera6
3346 Posts
And I also have a more of a problem when Reynor doing off-racing and random, lost the game, and his fanbase are making excuse for it, like he only lost because he was off-racing or doing random. I am sure Reynor doing his best whether what race he does, so he does not need any excuse. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15919 Posts
On March 26 2023 17:45 tigera6 wrote: I dont have a problem with Reynor playing random in general, but he hasnt dominated SC2 like Flash did in BW yet to switch to Random imo. If Reynor was winning this last IEM and being a God in all the tournament he plays, then sure he should switch to off-race or random to spice it up. But Reynor hasnt done very well even with Zerg, so why he want to switch to other races, is it just for publicity? And I also have a more of a problem when Reynor doing off-racing and random, lost the game, and his fanbase are making excuse for it, like he only lost because he was off-racing or doing random. I am sure Reynor doing his best whether what race he does, so he does not need any excuse. Is he not allowed to play random because he wants to? | ||
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tigera6
3346 Posts
On March 26 2023 17:59 Charoisaur wrote: Is he not allowed to play random because he wants to? Did I ever say he is allowed or not to do certain things? I am simply speaking my view and how I feel about the matter. If Serral was deciding to play Random suddenly, or Maru want to off-race Protoss tomorrow, I would say the same thing. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5501 Posts
On March 23 2023 21:35 MJG wrote: Random shouldn't be allowed in tournaments. Complete farce. I hope this isn't serious. It is so very entertaining to watch a progamer play random. They get dicked on hard when they don't hit their main race, and if they don't then congrats on them. They played their offrace so well it took down a player who only focuses on one. That's impressive as hell. If you think random is an advantage then you haven't played it. | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
On March 27 2023 12:47 jimminy_kriket wrote: I hope this isn't serious. It is so very entertaining to watch a progamer play random. They get dicked on hard when they don't hit their main race, and if they don't then congrats on them. They played their offrace so well it took down a player who only focuses on one. That's impressive as hell. If you think random is an advantage then you haven't played it. For me that some players like Voltz are making this a worse thing that it really is is the funnier part of the non-controversy. If it was THAT problematic then ESL would have already ruled about it. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1604 Posts
On March 27 2023 13:46 Philippe wrote: For me that some players like Voltz are making this a worse thing that it really is is the funnier part of the non-controversy. If it was THAT problematic then ESL would have already ruled about it. huh? | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
On March 23 2023 21:44 CicadaSC wrote: exactly. or at least u should have to tell race. cant even do vetos or any openings correctly cuz of this. not that impressive. Was referring to that. That I don't understand what is a big deal around it. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1604 Posts
On March 27 2023 13:57 Philippe wrote: Was referring to that. That I don't understand what is a big deal around it. oh, fair enough | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom927 Posts
On March 27 2023 12:47 jimminy_kriket wrote: I hope this isn't serious. It is so very entertaining to watch a progamer play random. They get dicked on hard when they don't hit their main race, and if they don't then congrats on them. They played their offrace so well it took down a player who only focuses on one. That's impressive as hell. If you think random is an advantage then you haven't played it. Tell me where Protoss is supposed to put their first Pylon against Random and I'll tell you why you're wrong. If you think Random is fair then you haven't played against it as Protoss. EDIT: Random players choose to put themselves at the supposed disadvantage of learning 9 matchups. Their opponents shouldn't be punished for it. | ||
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Annamicko
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