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ESL Open Cup #166: Dark, MaxPax, ByuN win - Page 2

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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1854 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-27 04:53:39
March 27 2023 04:53 GMT
#21
On March 27 2023 13:46 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2023 12:47 jimminy_kriket wrote:
On March 23 2023 21:35 MJG wrote:
Random shouldn't be allowed in tournaments. Complete farce.

I hope this isn't serious. It is so very entertaining to watch a progamer play random. They get dicked on hard when they don't hit their main race, and if they don't then congrats on them. They played their offrace so well it took down a player who only focuses on one. That's impressive as hell. If you think random is an advantage then you haven't played it.


For me that some players like Voltz are making this a worse thing that it really is is the funnier part of the non-controversy. If it was THAT problematic then ESL would have already ruled about it.

huh?
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
March 27 2023 04:57 GMT
#22
On March 23 2023 21:44 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2023 21:35 MJG wrote:
Random shouldn't be allowed in tournaments. Complete farce.

exactly. or at least u should have to tell race. cant even do vetos or any openings correctly cuz of this. not that impressive.


Was referring to that. That I don't understand what is a big deal around it.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1854 Posts
March 27 2023 05:31 GMT
#23
On March 27 2023 13:57 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2023 21:44 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 23 2023 21:35 MJG wrote:
Random shouldn't be allowed in tournaments. Complete farce.

exactly. or at least u should have to tell race. cant even do vetos or any openings correctly cuz of this. not that impressive.


Was referring to that. That I don't understand what is a big deal around it.

oh, fair enough
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1385 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-27 08:57:25
March 27 2023 07:38 GMT
#24
On March 27 2023 12:47 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2023 21:35 MJG wrote:
Random shouldn't be allowed in tournaments. Complete farce.

I hope this isn't serious. It is so very entertaining to watch a progamer play random. They get dicked on hard when they don't hit their main race, and if they don't then congrats on them. They played their offrace so well it took down a player who only focuses on one. That's impressive as hell. If you think random is an advantage then you haven't played it.

Tell me where Protoss is supposed to put their first Pylon against Random and I'll tell you why you're wrong. If you think Random is fair then you haven't played against it as Protoss.

EDIT:

Random players choose to put themselves at the supposed disadvantage of learning 9 matchups. Their opponents shouldn't be punished for it.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Annamicko
Profile Joined March 2023
1 Post
March 27 2023 14:08 GMT
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