EPTRogue & Trap out for DHM Valencia?
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rwala
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tigera6
3348 Posts
On June 30 2022 11:20 rwala wrote: Does anyone know why? COVID-19 concerns? Obviously a bummer, but just curious why. I believe we have mentioned it a couple times in other topics, but neither of them, nor Cure, can leave Korea because of their incoming military service, which are expected to be soon, but not "Zest soon" | ||
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NaRae
Korea (South)48 Posts
On June 30 2022 11:39 tigera6 wrote: I believe we have mentioned it a couple times in other topics, but neither of them, nor Cure, can leave Korea because of their incoming military service, which are expected to be soon, but not "Zest soon" This is especially true for Korean gamers born in 1994 (or earlier). | ||
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tigera6
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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Poopi
France12790 Posts
On June 30 2022 22:14 dbRic1203 wrote: Did I miss the reason why Serral isn t going? He said it's for personal reason and afaik we don't have more information. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15919 Posts
On June 30 2022 22:32 MarianoSC2 wrote: This whole situation sucks a lot. Lets just get back to online events and leave only Katowice offline. Its no use losing so many players just for the sake of having the event offline... Completely disagree, it sucks that they can't participate but that's not a reason to turn the whole event into online play just so they can play. Having premier events online shouldn't be normalized, they still have to many issues like Ping and timezones and also it doesn't feel like an important premier event when everyone is just sitting at home | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1138 Posts
On June 30 2022 22:32 MarianoSC2 wrote: This whole situation sucks a lot. Lets just get back to online events and leave only Katowice offline. Its no use losing so many players just for the sake of having the event offline... So 60-ish players should not get the chance to play an offline event, which very well could be one of the last big ones SC2 ever sees (unlikely, but the chance is there with the contract running out), because six players who qualified couldn't attend? This is not "just for the sake of having the event offline". Offline events are the norm, not the exception. Koreans had this problem in SC2 since the very beginning, so I'm actually asking: Did you ever complain about this before or is it just now because maybe one of your favorite players is affected? | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
You don't take the decision for a minority of players, but for the majority who can still attend. On July 01 2022 00:41 Balnazza wrote: Did you ever complain about this before or is it just now because maybe one of your favorite players is affected? Yeah question has to be asked. | ||
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tigera6
3348 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:41 Balnazza wrote: So 60-ish players should not get the chance to play an offline event, which very well could be one of the last big ones SC2 ever sees (unlikely, but the chance is there with the contract running out), because six players who qualified couldn't attend? This is not "just for the sake of having the event offline". Offline events are the norm, not the exception. Koreans had this problem in SC2 since the very beginning, so I'm actually asking: Did you ever complain about this before or is it just now because maybe one of your favorite players is affected? Except that among those 6 players there are like 3 in the top 10 and the other 3 are in top 20 in the world. Couple that with the on-going issue with the war in Ukraine, the Covid policy in China, and the horrific flying experience that players are having to endure to travel there right now, it really bring down the great experience that the offline event supposed to provide, for both the players and the audiences. I guess they should continue the event regardless because it has been planned for months, but I dont feel as much excitement about this one personally . | ||
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rwala
280 Posts
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JJH777
United States4400 Posts
On July 01 2022 02:03 rwala wrote: KOB, TSL, ASUS ROG, etc. are putting on tourneys with higher levels of competition without ping What? Ping has been a major issue in all of those and all online events. | ||
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Moonerz
United States444 Posts
On July 01 2022 02:39 JJH777 wrote: What? Ping has been a major issue in all of those and all online events. Not to mention time zones.... | ||
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rwala
280 Posts
On July 01 2022 02:39 JJH777 wrote: What? Ping has been a major issue in all of those and all online events. An issue, for sure. A major issue that outweighs not having multiple top 10 players competing in the tourney? Pretty questionable. Or at least something reasonable people can disagree on, though FWIW 8 of the 10 global EPT events that were online last year featured grand finals with at least one of these top 10 players who are missing at DHM: Valencia (a couple had grand finals with both players missing). I'm not even arguing for a switch to online play for this year (though personally I think it's worth it). But clearly COVID + ticket prices + military service travel restrictions are presenting a unique mix of factors that is causing a higher than normal number of top tier players to abstain from offline global events. That's worthy of some consideration and conversation, and you can just look at what's going on with NW7 to understand the nuance with these dynamics. Everything else equal, offline is better for sure. But alas everything else is not equal at this moment in time... Anyways, like I said, should be a great tournament so not trying to be a downer. Just an observation and an honest take, which I'm guessing reflects how a significant portion of the community feels. | ||
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rwala
280 Posts
Yes, that is definitely a factor. And there are others worth considering as well. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1138 Posts
On July 01 2022 01:00 tigera6 wrote: Except that among those 6 players there are like 3 in the top 10 and the other 3 are in top 20 in the world. Couple that with the on-going issue with the war in Ukraine, the Covid policy in China, and the horrific flying experience that players are having to endure to travel there right now, it really bring down the great experience that the offline event supposed to provide, for both the players and the audiences. I guess they should continue the event regardless because it has been planned for months, but I dont feel as much excitement about this one personally . Sorry, but scheduling a tournament just for the top 10 is the opposite of sportsmanship. A tournament stands for itself, no matter who can or cannot come. And it isn't even sure if Serral would be able to play a tournament from home since we don't know the reason he isn't traveling to Valencia. And quite honestly: Neither China nor Russia/Ukraine are a big loss in terms of players who can attend. No offense to the players of course, but who from those three countries is actually a loss? Basically only TIME, no one else. If Australia couldn't send players, no one would care, either. | ||
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3dwin
11 Posts
On July 01 2022 04:13 Balnazza wrote: Sorry, but scheduling a tournament just for the top 10 is the opposite of sportsmanship. A tournament stands for itself, no matter who can or cannot come. And it isn't even sure if Serral would be able to play a tournament from home since we don't know the reason he isn't traveling to Valencia. And quite honestly: Neither China nor Russia/Ukraine are a big loss in terms of players who can attend. No offense to the players of course, but who from those three countries is actually a loss? Basically only TIME, no one else. If Australia couldn't send players, no one would care, either. SKillous is a bigger loss than TIME, and no Rattata is also a bummer. | ||
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tigera6
3348 Posts
On July 01 2022 04:13 Balnazza wrote: Sorry, but scheduling a tournament just for the top 10 is the opposite of sportsmanship. A tournament stands for itself, no matter who can or cannot come. And it isn't even sure if Serral would be able to play a tournament from home since we don't know the reason he isn't traveling to Valencia. And quite honestly: Neither China nor Russia/Ukraine are a big loss in terms of players who can attend. No offense to the players of course, but who from those three countries is actually a loss? Basically only TIME, no one else. If Australia couldn't send players, no one would care, either. But among all the things that make a tournament great, is having great contenders and high level of competition. Imagine the NBA without Curry, Lebron, KD, Giannis. Or the World Cup without Germany, Italy, France, ect... And while we dont know if Serral can play online, we DO know the KRs player and MaxPax can, along with the Russian and Chinese player (mainly Skillous, Rattata and Time). Thats plenty of good players missing already imo, and some people might put an asterisk into whoever winning this tournament because of it. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1138 Posts
On July 01 2022 06:31 tigera6 wrote: But among all the things that make a tournament great, is having great contenders and high level of competition. Imagine the NBA without Curry, Lebron, KD, Giannis. Or the World Cup without Germany, Italy, France, ect... And while we dont know if Serral can play online, we DO know the KRs player and MaxPax can, along with the Russian and Chinese player (mainly Skillous, Rattata and Time). Thats plenty of good players missing already imo, and some people might put an asterisk into whoever winning this tournament because of it. As far as I know, Skillous isn't in Russia anymore anyway, so I don't know his travel situation. But to keep it on your example: Would you postpone or even cancel the NBA playoffs/finals because none of the favorites is there? Or maybe a few big names got injured? No, you wouldn't. And the same should go for this. MaxPax btw is again not traveling for personal reasons (I will just assume he either has jitters or travel sickness, though I obviously don't know for sure). There was another player who never could attend big tournaments in WC3 and SC2 - Satiini. I have NEVER heard the phrase "that is so unfair, the entire tournament should be online so he can play!" The biggest competition has to be offline, that is a fact for years. Covid didn't change that at all. It was a big accomplishement of Esports to finally play the biggest events offline - why would you revert that? Especially for basically two or three koreans who can't attend the World Championship anyway? | ||
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