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ESL to use new map pool for weekly cups, DH Valencia

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-16 21:36:56
June 16 2022 14:51 GMT
#1
ESL have announced a new pool of competitive maps for its weekly cups as well as the upcoming Dreamhack Masters: Valencia event. The maps were picked from the previous TL Map Contest.

ESL also revealed that new maps would be coming to the ladder "soon," though an exact date was not confirmed.



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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
June 16 2022 15:00 GMT
#2
Nice
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 16 2022 15:10 GMT
#3
Changing a whole map pool less then 2 week before DH Valencia may sound insane, but I'm all up for it.
Let's see some chaos!
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
June 16 2022 15:23 GMT
#4
On June 17 2022 00:10 Nakajin wrote:
Changing a whole map pool less then 2 week before DH Valencia may sound insane, but I'm all up for it.
Let's see some chaos!

I agree it's a bold move, but I like it
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
June 16 2022 16:21 GMT
#5
So nothing for ladder players? Come on Blizzard....
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-16 16:51:41
June 16 2022 16:51 GMT
#6
ESL said in their twitter that these will be implemented to the ladder soon, probably they will wait till the current ladder season end, whenever that is.
Btw, these map looking Z̶e̶r̶g̶-̶u̶n̶f̶r̶i̶e̶n̶d̶l̶y̶ balance, anyone has any impression during the TLMC?
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9176 Posts
June 16 2022 16:57 GMT
#7
The current season is supposed to end in a month
You're now breathing manually
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15918 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-16 16:58:53
June 16 2022 16:58 GMT
#8
Anyone knows the map Inside Out?
It wasn't in the last TLMC
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
June 16 2022 17:01 GMT
#9
Not as bad as when they made everyone play Dasan Station* for a premeir tournament, so it should be fine. :D



*I loved Dasan Station. Stupid gold nexus first every time.
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1071 Posts
June 16 2022 17:24 GMT
#10
bring on the carnage
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3341 Posts
June 16 2022 17:31 GMT
#11
On June 17 2022 01:58 Charoisaur wrote:
Anyone knows the map Inside Out?
It wasn't in the last TLMC

"The Map was initially presented in the WardiTV Team Liquid Map Contest Tournament 8 under the Frost Giant name but it was changed to Inside and Out when the map became part of the Ladder."
vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
June 16 2022 17:33 GMT
#12
On June 17 2022 01:21 geokilla wrote:
So nothing for ladder players? Come on Blizzard....


they said very soon in the same tweet thread
vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
June 16 2022 17:36 GMT
#13
On June 17 2022 00:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2022 00:10 Nakajin wrote:
Changing a whole map pool less then 2 week before DH Valencia may sound insane, but I'm all up for it.
Let's see some chaos!

I agree it's a bold move, but I like it


Ditto, looking forward to it!!
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9176 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-16 18:01:52
June 16 2022 18:00 GMT
#14
Maybe update the OP with links to the maps, it should save people a lot of time. I mean stuff like this:
(Wiki)Data-C
You're now breathing manually
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15918 Posts
June 16 2022 18:11 GMT
#15
On June 17 2022 02:31 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2022 01:58 Charoisaur wrote:
Anyone knows the map Inside Out?
It wasn't in the last TLMC

"The Map was initially presented in the WardiTV Team Liquid Map Contest Tournament 8 under the Frost Giant name but it was changed to Inside and Out when the map became part of the Ladder."

Ah great news, I actually voted for that map!
This mappool looks a lot less Zerg-friendly / more balanced then. Can't wait for it
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
710 Posts
June 16 2022 18:14 GMT
#16
i love how you can tell from the name that Moondance and Stargazers are made by Marras
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bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary385 Posts
June 16 2022 20:48 GMT
#17
(Wiki)Cosmic Sapphire LE
(Wiki)Data-C LE
(Wiki)Inside and Out LE (Frost Giant renamed)
(Wiki)Moondance LE
(Wiki)Stargazers LE
(Wiki)Tropical Sacrifice LE
(Wiki)Waterfall LE
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4159 Posts
June 16 2022 21:13 GMT
#18
Oh that's so funny they had to rename Frost Giant.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
June 16 2022 22:53 GMT
#19
good to finally have new maps but at first glance there doesnt seem to be anything unique about them in that the initial 4 base layout is still identical across all of them

WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
June 17 2022 07:42 GMT
#20
On June 17 2022 07:53 Ziggy wrote:
good to finally have new maps but at first glance there doesnt seem to be anything unique about them in that the initial 4 base layout is still identical across all of them


Agree with that. Only maps that stand out to me are Moondance, Stargazer, and Waterfall. And Moondance and Stargazer stand out because the expanding is even more free than usual
Waterfall is the only map that looks like it could play somewhat different than usual because it looks a bit smaller, but maybe it isn't even smaller in reality.
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
ExpatRights
Profile Joined February 2021
53 Posts
June 17 2022 07:48 GMT
#21
On June 17 2022 07:53 Ziggy wrote:
good to finally have new maps but at first glance there doesnt seem to be anything unique about them in that the initial 4 base layout is still identical across all of them



because sc2 fans hate change
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15918 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-17 08:06:16
June 17 2022 08:06 GMT
#22
On June 17 2022 16:42 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2022 07:53 Ziggy wrote:
good to finally have new maps but at first glance there doesnt seem to be anything unique about them in that the initial 4 base layout is still identical across all of them


Agree with that. Only maps that stand out to me are Moondance, Stargazer, and Waterfall. And Moondance and Stargazer stand out because the expanding is even more free than usual
Waterfall is the only map that looks like it could play somewhat different than usual because it looks a bit smaller, but maybe it isn't even smaller in reality.

Cosmic Sapphire? I don't think we had a map like that that is so stretched wide. That looks like the most unique map to me
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3341 Posts
June 17 2022 08:36 GMT
#23
On June 17 2022 16:48 ExpatRights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2022 07:53 Ziggy wrote:
good to finally have new maps but at first glance there doesnt seem to be anything unique about them in that the initial 4 base layout is still identical across all of them



because sc2 f̶a̶n̶s̶ players hate change

fix that one for you
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
June 17 2022 11:10 GMT
#24
GGs to the mapmakers whos maps come to the ladder and thank you for contributing to the scene
MaxPax
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
June 17 2022 21:18 GMT
#25
On June 17 2022 07:53 Ziggy wrote:
good to finally have new maps but at first glance there doesnt seem to be anything unique about them in that the initial 4 base layout is still identical across all of them


agree with that. Maybe we'll see more of their specifics when they get played out but at first glance they're very standard yeah
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
June 17 2022 21:18 GMT
#26
On June 17 2022 05:48 bela.mervado wrote:
(Wiki)Cosmic Sapphire LE
(Wiki)Data-C LE
(Wiki)Inside and Out LE (Frost Giant renamed)
(Wiki)Moondance LE
(Wiki)Stargazers LE
(Wiki)Tropical Sacrifice LE
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Waterfall_LE

thanks , fun to see how they renamed the third map
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25015 Posts
June 17 2022 21:50 GMT
#27
I can’t believe they’ve replaced the perfect map in Pride of Altaris, otherwise looks alright!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-18 05:24:52
June 18 2022 05:22 GMT
#28
wow 4 maps in a pool that actually look decent to favored for terran in tvz. never thought id see the day. granted they also have waterfall, and tropical sacrifice. stargazers looks zerg favored but idk its weird so we will see how it plays out. maybe on this pool terran will be more competitive.

I think overall terran and protoss will benefit from this map pool with its combination of smaller maps and less maps with unclaimable edge bases that only zerg can reasonably grab. That's not a bad thing in my book.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
June 18 2022 05:23 GMT
#29
On June 18 2022 06:50 WombaT wrote:
I can’t believe they’ve replaced the perfect map in Pride of Altaris, otherwise looks alright!


i for one am glad its gone. it was incredibly strong for zerg with the big open areas+gold base+ really far edge bases.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
June 18 2022 06:07 GMT
#30
On June 18 2022 14:23 washikie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2022 06:50 WombaT wrote:
I can’t believe they’ve replaced the perfect map in Pride of Altaris, otherwise looks alright!


i for one am glad its gone. it was incredibly strong for zerg with the big open areas+gold base+ really far edge bases.

Ever heard of the concept of sarcasm?
MaxPax
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
June 18 2022 15:22 GMT
#31
Honestly I don’t think maps play as big a role in SC2 as BW
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15918 Posts
June 18 2022 19:14 GMT
#32
On June 19 2022 00:22 TentativePanda wrote:
Honestly I don’t think maps play as big a role in SC2 as BW

Huge disagree, at least for TvZ.
From a terran perspective the matchup feels 10× harder to play on a huge map like Pride, Hardwire or Glittering Ashes than on a relatively short map like Oxide
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25015 Posts
June 18 2022 20:19 GMT
#33
On June 18 2022 15:07 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2022 14:23 washikie wrote:
On June 18 2022 06:50 WombaT wrote:
I can’t believe they’ve replaced the perfect map in Pride of Altaris, otherwise looks alright!


i for one am glad its gone. it was incredibly strong for zerg with the big open areas+gold base+ really far edge bases.

Ever heard of the concept of sarcasm?

I was being sarcastic? /s
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-19 12:52:15
June 19 2022 12:45 GMT
#34
On June 19 2022 00:22 TentativePanda wrote:
Honestly I don’t think maps play as big a role in SC2 as BW


I think for the last 5-10 years many maps have been good for zerg by default with other races relying on explicitly added features like narrow chokes, cliffs and push paths to perform well. As P i'm unironically opening the maps and counting the squares on the chokes and ramps. If the map was just a flat plane with a large gap between opponents then i'd probably lose every PvZ.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States138 Posts
June 20 2022 01:15 GMT
#35
I'm gonna miss a couple maps, and not miss a couple other ones. I like Stargazers a lot aesthetically, but I bet it gets vetoed a lot, because the few games I've played on it were rather underwhelming. It seems pretty odd, which can be good, but is not necessarily good.
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
June 20 2022 16:18 GMT
#36
Usually we complain when they don't announce new maps a week before a new seasons starts.
Now they announce them way in advance, but we still have to wait month???

tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3341 Posts
June 20 2022 17:27 GMT
#37
On June 21 2022 01:18 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Usually we complain when they don't announce new maps a week before a new seasons starts.
Now they announce them way in advance, but we still have to wait month???


the announcement mainly was for DH Valencia tournament map pool, it doesnt match with the timing of the ladder season.
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