If I get any of the details or even players wrong here, forgive me -- I am deliberately not looking these games up, I'm just naming the games that immediately come to mind when I think of SC2. Without further ado:
--MVP v. Squirtle in the GSL Finals: BCs vs. Archon Toilet
--MVP v. Squirtle in Game 7 of the same GSL Finals: MVP goes proxy 2-rax with everything on the line
--Scarlett vs. Bomber -- the baneling land-mines heard 'round the world
--sOs vs. Bunny (?) -- proxy nexus to proxy DT shrine to proxy DTs to GG
--TY vs. Scarlett "game sounds" nuke -- the casters revealed Scarlett had been practicing without game sounds, everyone wondered what would happen if she missed a nuke going off, and a nuke hit her directly in the center of her army --Scarlett cheeses Rogue out of the RO32 -- Scarlett has a flair for the dramatic.
--Idra ggs to a hallucinated army
-- Idra ggs after Taeja destroys his own PF on the gold base (bonus points for Day[9] and DjWheat's reactions)
-- Has makes his run at an actual regional championship, leading InControl to say "I'M JUMPING ALL THE GUNS! HAS IS GOING TO WIN BLIZZCON!"
-- TY proxy-raxing Classic to win the championship for KT Rolster
-- MVP bringing out a 2-factory blue-flame hellion strat to go up 3-2 on [REDACTED] in the GSL Finals, only to end up losing the next two games and getting Royal-Roaded -- this was also the beginning of the G5L curse
-- MKP **somehow** not seeing creep in his base when Byul spine-rushed him
-- Maru's epic comeback against Solar in GSL Super Tournament after his proxy-rax were almost completely shut down
-- Sniper and Hyun's Broodlings fighting each other in the trenches as we all realized it was maybe time to leave WoL behind forever
-- Innovation getting reverse-swept by roach/bane all-ins (and a failed proxy) in the GSL Finals against Soulkey
Well, those are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head -- how about you guys?
-Mvp coming back after being reduced to 9 vs 33 Scvs vs Innovation on Akilon Waste -TY vs Zest GSL finals on Dusk Towers -ByuN vs Dark Blizzcon Finals on King Sejong Station -Solar grinding out a lategame win vs the lategame god Maru only to lose everything to a Nuke -DRG being the first one in ages in 2013 to stop Inno's 'unbeatable' parade push -Maru dropping Mines after mines vs phoenixes, not doing any damage and then just killing MyungSik and manner CC/muling him -Maru 'trolling' Serral with 7 Nukes at a time and lategame mech into bio switch at WESG -Rogue cheesing Serral every game to win TSL in like 15 minutes -Life cheesing Lilbow every game at Blizzcon to win in like 15 minutes
2014 WCS America Season 2 Finals - Pigbaby vs. Bomber
The whole series was a classic but Game 1 with Pigbaby doing a Carrier rush set the tone for probably the most iconic Bo7 in the history of WCS America.
On December 14 2021 07:06 ScrappyRabbit wrote: What was the game in GSL where the Protoss player blocked his own nexus with a pylon and had to pretty much immediately gg?
San vs Check (the WC3 Check not JinAir Check)
On December 14 2021 06:00 Chris_Havoc wrote: 2014 WCS America Season 2 Finals - Pigbaby vs. Bomber
The whole series was a classic but Game 1 with Pigbaby doing a Carrier rush set the tone for probably the most iconic Bo7 in the history of WCS America.
That whole run was insane, random backbencher from Korea shows up and beat a gauntlet that has about 25 trophy, about 40 finals, 7 GSL semi-final and about a dozen regional championship. (He even came back the next season to eliminate JD and TaeJa for good mesure)
It's obviously difficult to compare different ages and what we saw in the past is not as impressive if we look back at it from today's perspective. But games like Life vs. Last at MLG and especially Life's ling-micro vs. blue flame hellions was just insane back then.
On December 14 2021 05:33 ImmortalGhost wrote: Missed Classic vs Rogue blink DT + observer to snipe the main at Blizzcon 2019.
This is THE iconic Starcraft game for me. There are plenty of games that have hype moments, epic comebacks, and better represent what a given match up is meant to be like, but when I think of Starcraft, this game is what comes to mind.
Fantasy vs soO -- The game where the banshee killed the final spine crawler to win the game just as cloak was about to run out. One of the most wild endings to a game ever
TRUE vs Fantasy on whirlwind TRUE vs Patience at dreamhack, proxy hatch vs proxy gates and the last drone killing the last zealot at the very end Rogue vs Classic on Deadwing. Classic canon rush every rogues's expands and rogue respond with double proxy hatch in the protoss main base. And Rogue vs herO on Echo, with the legendary and unexpected baneling rain.
One of the best games in SC2 period - Game 7 of a premier Korean tournament between 2 of the best players, in a game that was down to the wire until the last minute
Kiwikaki vs. Stephano at IPL3
This was one of the earliest uses of the Archon toilet - unfortunately it became overused later on, but it was still notable because it felt so revolutionary at the time
On December 14 2021 04:21 ScrappyRabbit wrote: If I get any of the details or even players wrong here, forgive me -- I am deliberately not looking these games up, I'm just naming the games that immediately come to mind when I think of SC2. Without further ado:
--MVP v. Squirtle in the GSL Finals: BCs vs. Archon Toilet
--MVP v. Squirtle in Game 7 of the same GSL Finals: MVP goes proxy 2-rax with everything on the line
--Scarlett vs. Bomber -- the baneling land-mines heard 'round the world
--sOs vs. Bunny (?) -- proxy nexus to proxy DT shrine to proxy DTs to GG
--TY vs. Scarlett "game sounds" nuke -- the casters revealed Scarlett had been practicing without game sounds, everyone wondered what would happen if she missed a nuke going off, and a nuke hit her directly in the center of her army --Scarlett cheeses Rogue out of the RO32 -- Scarlett has a flair for the dramatic.
--Idra ggs to a hallucinated army
-- Idra ggs after Taeja destroys his own PF on the gold base (bonus points for Day[9] and DjWheat's reactions)
-- Has makes his run at an actual regional championship, leading InControl to say "I'M JUMPING ALL THE GUNS! HAS IS GOING TO WIN BLIZZCON!"
-- TY proxy-raxing Classic to win the championship for KT Rolster
-- MVP bringing out a 2-factory blue-flame hellion strat to go up 3-2 on [REDACTED] in the GSL Finals, only to end up losing the next two games and getting Royal-Roaded -- this was also the beginning of the G5L curse
-- MKP **somehow** not seeing creep in his base when Byul spine-rushed him
-- Maru's epic comeback against Solar in GSL Super Tournament after his proxy-rax were almost completely shut down
-- Sniper and Hyun's Broodlings fighting each other in the trenches as we all realized it was maybe time to leave WoL behind forever
-- Innovation getting reverse-swept by roach/bane all-ins (and a failed proxy) in the GSL Finals against Soulkey
Well, those are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head -- how about you guys?
On December 14 2021 04:21 ScrappyRabbit wrote: If I get any of the details or even players wrong here, forgive me -- I am deliberately not looking these games up, I'm just naming the games that immediately come to mind when I think of SC2. Without further ado:
Well, those are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head -- how about you guys?
Why are you spoiling the outcome of all these matches? I would have rewatched some.
The HSC final where Huk killed Naniwa in a basetrade he would otherwise have lost by miles, by blinking in and sniping Naniwa's last obs while Huk had DTs on the field. I was in the bar downstairs for that game, and we were going out of our minds.
Scarlett lost the first game and is about to be eliminated from the tournament. She decides to switch to protoss and using a 7-gate build from the legendary Hitman (the NA ancestor of Maxpax) she beats DRG with blink stalkers. She went on to win the series (with zerg) and got 4th at MLG (one game away from beating eventual champion Trap).
It's got everything iconic about SC2: Day9, MLG, NA crowd energy, comeback with idiosyncratic (meme) strat, the great book of PBS #ProtossIMBA (it was during the infamous map-favored PvT blink meta).
also Polt vs HerO at IEM Cologne. Polt engineered a counter-attack / multiprong style that beat the current 'ìmba' Protoss meta and then had to go up against HerO's own multitasking-heavy playstyle with it
HerO’s ridiculous multi-minute push against Jaedong who’d earlier basically deflected it multiple times and HerO was basically dead. IEM Cologne I believe
Mvp Squirtle the archon toilet game. Mvp brought a whole new map-specific strategy that Squirtle was trying everything to break and failing, he pulled off basically the only play that could have worked
What makes Starcraft great in a nutshell, brains, execution and balls of steel all exhibited in a classic.
I will also echo that Taeja vs Innovation match for the ages.
Man I hope someone has a list and ideally backup of some of these games, just on the off chance the original VoDs disappear
On December 14 2021 04:29 ejozl wrote: it was mma destroying his own cc
Followed by Idra taking the worst engagement possible but still crushing MMA because he is so far ahead in army value. Unfortunately Idra completely misjudges the situation as he for some reason thinks he is losing the battle while also forgetting he pulled his drones off mining for a little due to MMA's harass.
Thinking he had lost the drones, losing the battle and not realizing MMA had killed his own base he GG's a game that MMA would GG out of if Idra had stayed a few seconds longer.
Everyone in the audience celebrates as their beloved American player wins... and then it hits them; Idra left another won game. Neither the audience nor the commentators had any clue what was going on.
On December 14 2021 04:29 ejozl wrote: it was mma destroying his own cc
Followed by Idra taking the worst engagement possible but still crushing MMA because he is so far ahead in army value. Unfortunately Idra completely misjudges the situation as he for some reason thinks he is losing the battle while also forgetting he pulled his drones off mining for a little due to MMA's harass.
Thinking he had lost the drones, losing the battle and not realizing MMA had killed his own base he GG's a game that MMA would GG out of if Idra had stayed a few seconds longer.
Everyone in the audience celebrates as their beloved American player wins... and then it hits them; Idra left another won game. Neither the audience nor the commentators had any clue what was going on.
What a time to be alive.
Idra thought that MMA taking this forward base means MMA is miles ahead as he's taking his 4th or 5th base(remember, back then this was huge). So when he has done what he has done he thought - well, RIP, I am behind economically and now I fucked up the engagement, so cya. In reality it was a desperate gold with the self kill CC. That just shows how hard it is to properly judge the game when you don't see everything.
MKP (aka Boxer aka Faker Boxer aka Foxer) vs Kyrix series in GSL. The series that earned him the name MarineKing. The series that showed that marines countered their counter (baneling) by micro.
On December 14 2021 04:29 ejozl wrote: it was mma destroying his own cc
Followed by Idra taking the worst engagement possible but still crushing MMA because he is so far ahead in army value. Unfortunately Idra completely misjudges the situation as he for some reason thinks he is losing the battle while also forgetting he pulled his drones off mining for a little due to MMA's harass.
Thinking he had lost the drones, losing the battle and not realizing MMA had killed his own base he GG's a game that MMA would GG out of if Idra had stayed a few seconds longer.
Everyone in the audience celebrates as their beloved American player wins... and then it hits them; Idra left another won game. Neither the audience nor the commentators had any clue what was going on.
What a time to be alive.
Idra thought that MMA taking this forward base means MMA is miles ahead as he's taking his 4th or 5th base(remember, back then this was huge). So when he has done what he has done he thought - well, RIP, I am behind economically and now I fucked up the engagement, so cya. In reality it was a desperate gold with the self kill CC. That just shows how hard it is to properly judge the game when you don't see everything.
The base by itself wouldn't really matter since Idra was about to snowball the fight out of control anyway. Thus Idra must have completely misjudged how that fight went.
If you notice his mutalisks were split into 2 groups during the fight and it's plausible that he only looked at one group and thought he didn't have more alive (As a side point: The mutalisks should never have been separated - Idra's battle micro was horrible).
Combined with him thinking he lost most of his drones to the drop, Idra thought he was dead and left. So it most likely was a combination of 3 different wrong assessments (2 of which were the fault of Idra) that caused him to leave.
On December 14 2021 04:29 ejozl wrote: it was mma destroying his own cc
Followed by Idra taking the worst engagement possible but still crushing MMA because he is so far ahead in army value. Unfortunately Idra completely misjudges the situation as he for some reason thinks he is losing the battle while also forgetting he pulled his drones off mining for a little due to MMA's harass.
Thinking he had lost the drones, losing the battle and not realizing MMA had killed his own base he GG's a game that MMA would GG out of if Idra had stayed a few seconds longer.
Everyone in the audience celebrates as their beloved American player wins... and then it hits them; Idra left another won game. Neither the audience nor the commentators had any clue what was going on.
What a time to be alive.
Idra thought that MMA taking this forward base means MMA is miles ahead as he's taking his 4th or 5th base(remember, back then this was huge). So when he has done what he has done he thought - well, RIP, I am behind economically and now I fucked up the engagement, so cya. In reality it was a desperate gold with the self kill CC. That just shows how hard it is to properly judge the game when you don't see everything.
The base by itself wouldn't really matter since Idra was about to snowball the fight out of control anyway. Thus Idra must have completely misjudged how that fight went.
If you notice his mutalisks were split into 2 groups during the fight and it's plausible that he only looked at one group and thought he didn't have more alive (As a side point: The mutalisks should never have been separated - Idra's battle micro was horrible).
Combined with him thinking he lost most of his drones to the drop, Idra thought he was dead and left. So it most likely was a combination of 3 different wrong assessments (2 of which were the fault of Idra) that caused him to leave.
I think I read it in some interview with him, so I stand behind my reasoning xD Obviously I don't have the interview so feel free to believe w/e you want, but I'm not gonna change my opinion :D
On December 14 2021 04:21 ScrappyRabbit wrote: If I get any of the details or even players wrong here, forgive me -- I am deliberately not looking these games up, I'm just naming the games that immediately come to mind when I think of SC2. Without further ado:
Well, those are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head -- how about you guys?
Why are you spoiling the outcome of all these matches? I would have rewatched some.
these matches are from a long time ago, it's not spoilers anymore smh. It's literally in the title, MOST ICONIC GAMES which means the people who converse and contribute to this thread have already watched most of these games. Or they simply don't care enough to watch them (like me, who was not yet a fan at that point) because they're from 8 years ago. if you're not one of these two groups of people then why are you even here? Use your brain man
On December 14 2021 04:29 ejozl wrote: it was mma destroying his own cc
Followed by Idra taking the worst engagement possible but still crushing MMA because he is so far ahead in army value. Unfortunately Idra completely misjudges the situation as he for some reason thinks he is losing the battle while also forgetting he pulled his drones off mining for a little due to MMA's harass.
Thinking he had lost the drones, losing the battle and not realizing MMA had killed his own base he GG's a game that MMA would GG out of if Idra had stayed a few seconds longer.
Everyone in the audience celebrates as their beloved American player wins... and then it hits them; Idra left another won game. Neither the audience nor the commentators had any clue what was going on.
What a time to be alive.
Idra thought that MMA taking this forward base means MMA is miles ahead as he's taking his 4th or 5th base(remember, back then this was huge). So when he has done what he has done he thought - well, RIP, I am behind economically and now I fucked up the engagement, so cya. In reality it was a desperate gold with the self kill CC. That just shows how hard it is to properly judge the game when you don't see everything.
The base by itself wouldn't really matter since Idra was about to snowball the fight out of control anyway. Thus Idra must have completely misjudged how that fight went.
If you notice his mutalisks were split into 2 groups during the fight and it's plausible that he only looked at one group and thought he didn't have more alive (As a side point: The mutalisks should never have been separated - Idra's battle micro was horrible).
Combined with him thinking he lost most of his drones to the drop, Idra thought he was dead and left. So it most likely was a combination of 3 different wrong assessments (2 of which were the fault of Idra) that caused him to leave.
I think I read it in some interview with him, so I stand behind my reasoning xD Obviously I don't have the interview so feel free to believe w/e you want, but I'm not gonna change my opinion :D
Sure I watched the same thing - but the point is that Idra very much misinterpreted the state of that game (beyond just the CC killing) - and assuming he didn't watch the replay or VOD back, he never realized he was winning the battle.
I guess Idra was just told after the game "MMA actually killed his own CC, you were about to win". And then Idra was like "ah okay but there was no way I could have known that and I was easily losing if not for that". But if you actually watch the game you would see that he was clearly in the lead regardless.
I suggest you rewatch the game and you should be able to identify that.
On December 14 2021 05:12 InfCereal wrote: Sjow vs Life - No idea when or where it was, but I distinctly remember it being one of the only games that had me out of me seat in excitement.
Iconic games have some overlap with best games, but there are some games that are not the best that are way more iconic. The Idra v MMA game has started a discussion in this thread. It is iconic. MKP introducing marine split vs banes was very iconic. Classic using DT to snipe the main at Blizzcon was iconic.
The game that made me really believe in PartinG's micro is way later than his soul train builds. He played vs a Terran on Habitation Station. The Terran went Gangnam, floating CC to the gold at the start of the game. PartinG sent his Mothership Core. IIRC, a group of 3 marines would win vs a msc in a straight fight. PartinG killed way more than 3 marines and won the game. He used the terrain well and separated the marines. PartinG micro is iconic.
But the most iconic game I can think of is when Pigbaby showed the world how to beat TaeJa. You scout and defend the incoming harassment. It was in WCS America (or whatever it was called). The crowd could be heard in the cast and after game 1 the crowd chanted "observer, observer" almost the entire series. Observer>Colossus, that is iconic.
Scarlett vs Bomber at one of the red bull tournamwnts with the baneling landlines, and also Scarlet can DRG and MLG, where she’s Protoss and wins haha.
On December 14 2021 04:29 ejozl wrote: it was mma destroying his own cc
Followed by Idra taking the worst engagement possible but still crushing MMA because he is so far ahead in army value. Unfortunately Idra completely misjudges the situation as he for some reason thinks he is losing the battle while also forgetting he pulled his drones off mining for a little due to MMA's harass.
Thinking he had lost the drones, losing the battle and not realizing MMA had killed his own base he GG's a game that MMA would GG out of if Idra had stayed a few seconds longer.
Everyone in the audience celebrates as their beloved American player wins... and then it hits them; Idra left another won game. Neither the audience nor the commentators had any clue what was going on.
What a time to be alive.
Idra thought that MMA taking this forward base means MMA is miles ahead as he's taking his 4th or 5th base(remember, back then this was huge). So when he has done what he has done he thought - well, RIP, I am behind economically and now I fucked up the engagement, so cya. In reality it was a desperate gold with the self kill CC. That just shows how hard it is to properly judge the game when you don't see everything.
If anything it was more of a case IdrA rage quitting based on incomplete information. That happened from time to time - like when he quit against HuK's illusions.
Personally I also remember vividly the game between IdrA and Cruncher in TSL 3. Game 3 Cruncher broke IdrA and wrote "" to which IdrA responded with quitting the game, no GG. IIRC he was trashtalking Cruncher before the tournament so that was perfect silver lining.
Generally plenty of games of IdrA were memorable considering IdrA had no control over his emotions and was famous for trash talking other players and not delivering afterwards. I remember there was a game when vT he played when terran hit blue flame hellions timing, IdrA screwed his defense, lost masses of drones and wrote something like "are you proud?" and left.
Stephano winning WCS EU with borrowed hardware was amazing in many aspects.
There was this game when Mvp played against foreign zerg player - I think - where he was turtling hard because he was something like 2 bases behind and he managed to win.
Rogue vs herO super tournament 2017 finals, when his only chance to qualify for blizzcon was placing first that ST and he barely won 4:3, then he proceed to dominate at blizzcon.
Maru GSL finals victory over TY when he proxy 2 games in a row and lost them, then everybody was like surely he is not going to proxy more right? and then he kept proxying in the next 4 games, and then in game 7 he did a "reverse MVP", didn't proxy and won.
Best TvT ever played in SC2 took place at katowice 2017: aLIVe vs INnoVation.
-- When he completely fooled Maru by not cheesing, causing Maru to turtle on one base against an attack that never came, and then losing anyway because Has' idea of how to play midgame/late-game was to put a bunch of gateways at random places on the map
-- Whichever game it was where Has' cheese failed and he immediately "transitioned" into a DT shrine, causing Nathanias to absolutely LOSE IT in the booth.
I have another iconic game. This is from HotS, when cj herO was at the very top and Rogue was a not yet a great player. I think it was 2013 or 2014.
It was in Proleague, so Rogue had time to prepare a build on a 4 spawn map with a lot of air space between the 4 corners. Rogue rushed infestation pit and started upgrading flight for his locust (a fairly new upgrade that nobody ever used). Nydus + flying locust from 3 directions was not at all something herO could play well against.
Rogue got the MVP award that day. In the interview he said that the build never won in practice. Rogue went for it anyway. He was expected to lose, so he just went for it.
My wife shouted "flying locust" when she saw the upgrade. Classic was replaced by Rogue as her favourite player that day. Rogue hasn't lost that title yet.
On December 14 2021 04:29 ejozl wrote: it was mma destroying his own cc
Followed by Idra taking the worst engagement possible but still crushing MMA because he is so far ahead in army value. Unfortunately Idra completely misjudges the situation as he for some reason thinks he is losing the battle while also forgetting he pulled his drones off mining for a little due to MMA's harass.
Thinking he had lost the drones, losing the battle and not realizing MMA had killed his own base he GG's a game that MMA would GG out of if Idra had stayed a few seconds longer.
Everyone in the audience celebrates as their beloved American player wins... and then it hits them; Idra left another won game. Neither the audience nor the commentators had any clue what was going on.
What a time to be alive.
Idra thought that MMA taking this forward base means MMA is miles ahead as he's taking his 4th or 5th base(remember, back then this was huge). So when he has done what he has done he thought - well, RIP, I am behind economically and now I fucked up the engagement, so cya. In reality it was a desperate gold with the self kill CC. That just shows how hard it is to properly judge the game when you don't see everything.
The base by itself wouldn't really matter since Idra was about to snowball the fight out of control anyway. Thus Idra must have completely misjudged how that fight went.
If you notice his mutalisks were split into 2 groups during the fight and it's plausible that he only looked at one group and thought he didn't have more alive (As a side point: The mutalisks should never have been separated - Idra's battle micro was horrible).
Combined with him thinking he lost most of his drones to the drop, Idra thought he was dead and left. So it most likely was a combination of 3 different wrong assessments (2 of which were the fault of Idra) that caused him to leave.
I think I read it in some interview with him, so I stand behind my reasoning xD Obviously I don't have the interview so feel free to believe w/e you want, but I'm not gonna change my opinion :D
Sure I watched the same thing - but the point is that Idra very much misinterpreted the state of that game (beyond just the CC killing) - and assuming he didn't watch the replay or VOD back, he never realized he was winning the battle.
I guess Idra was just told after the game "MMA actually killed his own CC, you were about to win". And then Idra was like "ah okay but there was no way I could have known that and I was easily losing if not for that". But if you actually watch the game you would see that he was clearly in the lead regardless.
I suggest you rewatch the game and you should be able to identify that.
What are you writing about? I am saying what Idra said. Yes, when you have the complete information you can make a different decision. If you would have shown Idra the replay and then you would restart from replay he wouldn't have left. BUT. He. Did. Not. Know. This.
On December 14 2021 04:29 ejozl wrote: it was mma destroying his own cc
Followed by Idra taking the worst engagement possible but still crushing MMA because he is so far ahead in army value. Unfortunately Idra completely misjudges the situation as he for some reason thinks he is losing the battle while also forgetting he pulled his drones off mining for a little due to MMA's harass.
Thinking he had lost the drones, losing the battle and not realizing MMA had killed his own base he GG's a game that MMA would GG out of if Idra had stayed a few seconds longer.
Everyone in the audience celebrates as their beloved American player wins... and then it hits them; Idra left another won game. Neither the audience nor the commentators had any clue what was going on.
What a time to be alive.
Idra thought that MMA taking this forward base means MMA is miles ahead as he's taking his 4th or 5th base(remember, back then this was huge). So when he has done what he has done he thought - well, RIP, I am behind economically and now I fucked up the engagement, so cya. In reality it was a desperate gold with the self kill CC. That just shows how hard it is to properly judge the game when you don't see everything.
If anything it was more of a case IdrA rage quitting based on incomplete information. That happened from time to time - like when he quit against HuK's illusions.
Personally I also remember vividly the game between IdrA and Cruncher in TSL 3. Game 3 Cruncher broke IdrA and wrote "" to which IdrA responded with quitting the game, no GG. IIRC he was trashtalking Cruncher before the tournament so that was perfect silver lining.
Generally plenty of games of IdrA were memorable considering IdrA had no control over his emotions and was famous for trash talking other players and not delivering afterwards. I remember there was a game when vT he played when terran hit blue flame hellions timing, IdrA screwed his defense, lost masses of drones and wrote something like "are you proud?" and left.
Stephano winning WCS EU with borrowed hardware was amazing in many aspects.
There was this game when Mvp played against foreign zerg player - I think - where he was turtling hard because he was something like 2 bases behind and he managed to win.
That's the curse and beauty of the incomplete information. It doesn't matter what shows replay or w/e. I left a game which was almost won. Wasn't a rage quit, it was simply bad read situation. Sure, I am nowhere near IDra's level, but ... well that happens
The Huk game is IMO in the same ballpark. He though Huk is ahead and didn't realize there are hallucination as nobody was using them(was this after the post-research change? I believe not). This was a bigger rage quit, but considering the age and game meta, completely understandable.
People forget how messy the game was and how new it was.
On January 02 2022 09:51 deacon.frost wrote: That's the curse and beauty of the incomplete information. It doesn't matter what shows replay or w/e. I left a game which was almost won. Wasn't a rage quit, it was simply bad read situation. Sure, I am nowhere near IDra's level, but ... well that happens
The Huk game is IMO in the same ballpark. He though Huk is ahead and didn't realize there are hallucination as nobody was using them(was this after the post-research change? I believe not). This was a bigger rage quit, but considering the age and game meta, completely understandable.
People forget how messy the game was and how new it was.
That's fair assessment but somehow it was IdrA, not anybody else. Yes - it was bad read but it was IdrA who was prone to execute: bad read -> rage -> rage quit HuK game is one example, MMA game was another. Most players would scratch head and stayed for few extra seconds which would be enough. At least extra 0.5s to write gg
On January 02 2022 09:51 deacon.frost wrote: That's the curse and beauty of the incomplete information. It doesn't matter what shows replay or w/e. I left a game which was almost won. Wasn't a rage quit, it was simply bad read situation. Sure, I am nowhere near IDra's level, but ... well that happens
The Huk game is IMO in the same ballpark. He though Huk is ahead and didn't realize there are hallucination as nobody was using them(was this after the post-research change? I believe not). This was a bigger rage quit, but considering the age and game meta, completely understandable.
People forget how messy the game was and how new it was.
That's fair assessment but somehow it was IdrA, not anybody else. Yes - it was bad read but it was IdrA who was prone to execute: bad read -> rage -> rage quit HuK game is one example, MMA game was another. Most players would scratch head and stayed for few extra seconds which would be enough. At least extra 0.5s to write gg
Idra’s problem was as much good reads as bad, and not just fighting it out too of course. He knows how good a player MMA is, he’s taken a sloppy engagement and doesn’t factor in well, what happened. He’s probably dead, better gg and prepare for the next set rather than tilt in a losing game, or waste time.
It’s a pretty good mindset for laddering, much less so for big tournaments.
Idra had a keen idea of how Starcraft should/is optimally played, and for players as good/better than him that he rated highly probably gave them too much respect (i.e they won’t make mistakes, better gg), and for players with wonky styles he considered worse than him or playing bad Starcraft he could be a bit complacent.
That Huk read was bad though, realistically how could he have pulled all those scary units out in that timeframe.
Does anyone still have the "Jaedong The Tyrant Wins" clip that was produced by Blizzard after that Jaedong 3:2 Dear at Blizzcon? It was about 1:30 minutes of the best angles from Jaedong's win, including him fistpumping in the booth, and one of my favorite StarCraft II videos. It seems to be gone from YouTube, sadly.
Also, does anyone still have the "The legend of BitByBit" fan video? Also gone from YouTube, apparently.
SoS vs Bunny last year GSL has to be the one of the best of SoS being SOS of all time. Proved new strats were still being found even then with the Proxy Nexus in ur base
EPT
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JD beating favorites (Dear and Maru IIRC), casters building the hype and then sOs came like a wrecking ball 
" to which IdrA responded with quitting the game, no GG. IIRC he was trashtalking Cruncher before the tournament so that was perfect silver lining.
