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Can a custom ladder work in SC2?

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ErikWM
Profile Joined May 2015
8 Posts
September 06 2021 10:57 GMT
#1
If it was done like the ones in CS: GO, would it work with the SC2 Community? Would ESL be able (or willing) to change the map pool picks from the ladder to the custom ladder? And if so, would the rest of the community follow and start playing there?

Is such a thing even viable with how customs in SC2 work?
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
September 06 2021 11:15 GMT
#2
The problem with this idea is ALL online aspects of StarCraft 2 use Battle.net.

Valve has always allowed custom servers & ladders to exist within CS:GO including ESEA & FACEIT. However Blizzard has never allowed anything of the sort and it's extraordinarily unlikely they ever will. So no I don't see it happening as it would require Blizzard to fundimentally alter how StarCraft 2 & Battle.net function.
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kristopherellwood123
Profile Joined September 2021
1 Post
September 06 2021 11:36 GMT
#3
I used to play a lot in brood war. I would log in, found a game, and went for it. Now, I want to play game types like 4v4 fastest and stuff that isn't just nexus wars.

How can I do this in sc2? I downloaded a few maps butbit seems like open games and lobbies dont work like they used to? I'm really confused and would love some advice as this is how I spent most of my sc playing, not ladder only.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26693 Posts
September 06 2021 22:03 GMT
#4
On September 06 2021 20:15 Chris_Havoc wrote:
The problem with this idea is ALL online aspects of StarCraft 2 use Battle.net.

Valve has always allowed custom servers & ladders to exist within CS:GO including ESEA & FACEIT. However Blizzard has never allowed anything of the sort and it's extraordinarily unlikely they ever will. So no I don't see it happening as it would require Blizzard to fundimentally alter how StarCraft 2 & Battle.net function.

I dunno if I’d go with never, depends if Blizz is sensible or not.

If you have a property that’s beloved, is no longer particularly monetisable, but you get a PR boost for maintaining, why not open the possibilities to third party ladders down the line?

Or, alternative a company like ESL end up in charge of the SC2 ladder and maps.

Both being arguably preferable to a Blizzard that holds all the key to alter things, but chooses not to.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 07 2021 11:24 GMT
#5
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
September 07 2021 12:01 GMT
#6
On September 07 2021 07:03 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2021 20:15 Chris_Havoc wrote:
The problem with this idea is ALL online aspects of StarCraft 2 use Battle.net.

Valve has always allowed custom servers & ladders to exist within CS:GO including ESEA & FACEIT. However Blizzard has never allowed anything of the sort and it's extraordinarily unlikely they ever will. So no I don't see it happening as it would require Blizzard to fundimentally alter how StarCraft 2 & Battle.net function.

I dunno if I’d go with never, depends if Blizz is sensible or not.

If you have a property that’s beloved, is no longer particularly monetisable, but you get a PR boost for maintaining, why not open the possibilities to third party ladders down the line?

Or, alternative a company like ESL end up in charge of the SC2 ladder and maps.

Both being arguably preferable to a Blizzard that holds all the key to alter things, but chooses not to.

Development isn't free. SC2 was designed from the start to require battle.net (2.0). Extricating that is going to take a lot of time (and thus money). I guess they could make SC2 open source and let the community figure that out, but if the battle.net 2.0 code is considered proprietary that may not be possible even if they might consider that option for SC2 itself.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26693 Posts
September 07 2021 21:20 GMT
#7
On September 07 2021 21:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2021 07:03 WombaT wrote:
On September 06 2021 20:15 Chris_Havoc wrote:
The problem with this idea is ALL online aspects of StarCraft 2 use Battle.net.

Valve has always allowed custom servers & ladders to exist within CS:GO including ESEA & FACEIT. However Blizzard has never allowed anything of the sort and it's extraordinarily unlikely they ever will. So no I don't see it happening as it would require Blizzard to fundimentally alter how StarCraft 2 & Battle.net function.

I dunno if I’d go with never, depends if Blizz is sensible or not.

If you have a property that’s beloved, is no longer particularly monetisable, but you get a PR boost for maintaining, why not open the possibilities to third party ladders down the line?

Or, alternative a company like ESL end up in charge of the SC2 ladder and maps.

Both being arguably preferable to a Blizzard that holds all the key to alter things, but chooses not to.

Development isn't free. SC2 was designed from the start to require battle.net (2.0). Extricating that is going to take a lot of time (and thus money). I guess they could make SC2 open source and let the community figure that out, but if the battle.net 2.0 code is considered proprietary that may not be possible even if they might consider that option for SC2 itself.

Even as an intermediary step, you could still use the current backbone, merely have ESL or another partner have the input on say, maps and seasons and the likes.

It’s not a third party ladder, but at least it’s getting updated more regularly.

More thinking down the line if Blizz do fully go to pull the plug, could we not just log as normal but connect to ‘Community Europe’ etc, which the community would maintain?

I’m not au fair enough with how all these systems work. I gather that actually patching the game would be rather difficult, whether it would be easier to make changes via a ladder of essentially custom maps with tweaked values.

I mean it’s very speculative of course. They may not change much with the game moving forwards but the real worse case scenario of no servers whatsoever and what to do then is probably quite some way off.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
September 09 2021 07:15 GMT
#8
Do you mean something like ICCUP back in the Brood War days? This would be cool but like Chris said, all online play is integrated into Bnet.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
875 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-09 09:41:55
September 09 2021 09:40 GMT
#9
If Activision would care a little bit of the future of SC2 and since the Esport scene of SC2 is not new enought (same players... the game is old even if it stands as the best RTS with AoM, C&C3 and W3), it would be understandable to seek a solution to allow players of chosing a different game with a less violent ladder (apm intensive and so... or probably at the moment, full of cheese cause players are less or more tired)
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