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Serral and Reynor in AoE2/SC2 crossover showmatch

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MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
January 24 2021 10:50 GMT
#1
So today will be the finals of a Red Bull AoE2 tournament and they will be showing a showmatch between two top AoE2 players and Serral and Reynor.


The finals start at 20 CET so the showmatch should be around 19 or 19.30 CET.

Don't know exactly what will happen but probably a 2v2 with mixed teams.

Will be awesome. AoE2 is a fantastic game and Hera and Viper are high skilled RTS gamers. When Viper played SC2 for a while, he was GM iirc.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-24 11:10:16
January 24 2021 11:09 GMT
#2
Both games are awesome. I wonder if this is just for fun or if it is also part of a larger trend where SC2 players will slowly migrate to AOE2 or more likely AOE4 (when it comes out next year) given that Blizzard does not really support the game any more.
dsaasdgghfhgfhgf
Profile Joined January 2021
1 Post
January 24 2021 12:04 GMT
#3
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gargona
Profile Joined January 2021
5 Posts
January 24 2021 13:00 GMT
#4
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
January 24 2021 14:03 GMT
#5
This sort of thing is what I think could help to further grow the sc2 audience. More events with other gaming communities like aoe2, smash bros, etc would be fun and beneficial to both communities.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 24 2021 14:20 GMT
#6
Never played any AoE. I just know that it s very different Kind of RTS than SC.
Can someone give the Basic similarities and differences between the games for someone who watches SC2 exclusivly like me?
MaxPax
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26727 Posts
January 24 2021 14:27 GMT
#7
Nifty, where will the VoDs be for us who don’t really follow the AoE scene?
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Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
January 24 2021 14:47 GMT
#8
On January 24 2021 23:20 dbRic1203 wrote:
Never played any AoE. I just know that it s very different Kind of RTS than SC.
Can someone give the Basic similarities and differences between the games for someone who watches SC2 exclusivly like me?


For a start the civilizations aren't as different between themselves as the races are in SC2. There are also many types of resources to manage, and much more work managing workers than in SC2. Maps fill a different function than SC2, where in AoE it is more like a "map" and in SC2 it is like an arena. There are many more types of upgrades to consider in AoE, and the effects are often more incremental in my experience. You also advance between ages, which is similar to upgrading your main base for Zerg. From a spectator point of view it is much more slower than SC2, but it is every bit as intense. Micro can not be used the same way (not as precise and responsive), but it is of course important in AoE as well. So many things are different.
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Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
January 24 2021 15:07 GMT
#9
Where can i find any info on this? Seriously wanna watch it.

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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 24 2021 15:27 GMT
#10
On January 25 2021 00:07 Haku wrote:
Where can i find any info on this? Seriously wanna watch it.


The tournamnet just started I think. No idear when exactly they put in the Showmatch
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samsim
Profile Joined December 2019
United States26 Posts
January 24 2021 15:56 GMT
#11
Are there any resources online on how to view the game of AoE2 as a spectator? Looking at the Red Bull Wololo stream, there's a lot of numbers on the screen and it's really confusing to me. I am interested in seeing the match, however.
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
January 24 2021 16:34 GMT
#12
On January 25 2021 00:56 samsim wrote:
Are there any resources online on how to view the game of AoE2 as a spectator? Looking at the Red Bull Wololo stream, there's a lot of numbers on the screen and it's really confusing to me. I am interested in seeing the match, however.


The biggest difference is that AoE2 has four different resource types: Food, Wood, Stone, & Gold.

Certain resources are used for certain things. Food is the primary resource for building "fleshy" units like Workers and the various Soldier types. Wood and Stone are primary used for Buildings. Gold is the premium resource used for high-end things like Castles.

AoE2 has a different progression system compared to StarCraft called "Ages". As each Age is earned, more units, buildings, and upgrades become available. The best way to think of Ages is like the progression of Zerg from Hatchery to Lair to Hive.

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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-24 19:19:51
January 24 2021 19:17 GMT
#13
Showmatch is starting now. (2vs2 Sc2 right now)
Sophus
Profile Joined April 2010
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-24 19:24:42
January 24 2021 19:24 GMT
#14
Maybe I am not seeing it, but why isn't there any detailed info on this (neither in OP nor in calendar). This looks super fun.

You can watch this on
https://www.twitch.tv/redbull
gnuoy000
Profile Joined July 2018
31 Posts
January 24 2021 19:27 GMT
#15
wow. chat seems to really hate sc2 haha
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
January 24 2021 19:29 GMT
#16
Interesting that Serral is playing Terran and Reynor is play Protoss. Probably better to keep things fun & balanced by having them off-race.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 24 2021 19:51 GMT
#17
The editing was quite a bit weired
MaxPax
Tastyyyy
Profile Joined July 2018
Portugal95 Posts
January 24 2021 21:21 GMT
#18
How did it go?
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
January 25 2021 00:17 GMT
#19
Anyone have a timestamp on a twitch vod or a vod in general?
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GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
712 Posts
January 25 2021 00:46 GMT
#20
On January 25 2021 06:21 Tastyyyy wrote:
How did it go?


+ Show Spoiler +
serral and theviper beat hera and reynor 2:0 in sc2 but lost 0:2 in aoe2


They did not show full games but rather highlighted some interesting moments I suppose. While I get the decisision to do this for braodcast reasons, when you didn't know how one of the games worked I feel like you weren't getting a lot out of it. Having Rotti cast alongside one of the aoe casters was nice cause they each could take one the role of the unknowledgeable viewer, but yeah complete games would've been nice.

I liked that they had a call with everyone after the matches and also snippets of the teams communicating during games
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Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
January 25 2021 00:46 GMT
#21
Was especially fun seeing Reynor play the game of my childhood (AoE) hahahaha
whole chat was going lul with his sick builds
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ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
January 25 2021 02:36 GMT
#22
Any links guys?
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teamamerica
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States958 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-25 02:55:15
January 25 2021 02:53 GMT
#23
On January 25 2021 11:36 ThePrince wrote:
Any links guys?





Timestampped link. Honestly AoE2 looks sick, sc2 is a much faster game so I enjoyed watching the aoe2 games which were a bit slower. The casters also seemed pretty good, 10/10 would recommend watching the aoe2 side of things.
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Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
January 25 2021 04:23 GMT
#24
That was super fun to watch and a blast from the past as someone who played AOE 20 years ago. Thanks for the official video teamamerica
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-25 15:45:24
January 25 2021 15:43 GMT
#25
Fun to watch. It is amazing that a 20-year-old RTS (that is not BW) still gets lots of viewers. AOE2 is simple on the surface but is beautiful in its complexity underneath, much like SC2.

I hope AOE4 will be simliar to AO2 in its core gameplay but shorten the initial downtime before you start to interact with your opponent.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 26 2021 11:49 GMT
#26
On January 26 2021 00:43 MockHamill wrote:
Fun to watch. It is amazing that a 20-year-old RTS (that is not BW) still gets lots of viewers. AOE2 is simple on the surface but is beautiful in its complexity underneath, much like SC2.

I hope AOE4 will be simliar to AO2 in its core gameplay but shorten the initial downtime before you start to interact with your opponent.

Technically speaking it's a lot younger considering the Definitive Edition. Also I believe the game is being updated more than SC2 thus it feels more alive. Also AoE 4 announced while the last SC news were mostly negative.
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
January 27 2021 23:50 GMT
#27
This was fun! Would be cool to do more stuff like this and incorporate some noob friendly casting.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
January 28 2021 00:23 GMT
#28
Still no chance of getting the uncut game and/or cast right?
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ApatheticSchizoid
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
Canada85 Posts
January 29 2021 21:23 GMT
#29
Honestly AOE2 is harder to play compared to SC2. Maybe the ceilings are close, but it's hard to be good at AOE2 compared to SC2. I'd compare it to BW, but it's a lot more of a thinking game. You're fighting over the same resources compared to having a natural 2nd base, 3rd, etc. With the many different civilizations and they all get different tech trees, it's harder to get used to it. Considering it's a randomly generated map, you can't really practice openers that much it's much of going with the flow. The mechanics can be tricky to get used to.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
January 30 2021 00:30 GMT
#30
On January 30 2021 06:23 ApatheticSchizoid wrote:
Honestly AOE2 is harder to play compared to SC2. Maybe the ceilings are close, but it's hard to be good at AOE2 compared to SC2. I'd compare it to BW, but it's a lot more of a thinking game. You're fighting over the same resources compared to having a natural 2nd base, 3rd, etc. With the many different civilizations and they all get different tech trees, it's harder to get used to it. Considering it's a randomly generated map, you can't really practice openers that much it's much of going with the flow. The mechanics can be tricky to get used to.


The difficulty of either game is not really comparable. AoE2 has a slower pace, a much more taxing economy system, less responsive units and a very pronounced system of units hard-countering each other.

Regarding the civilizations, they are pretty much the same except some unique units or economy buffs. It's like Starcraft 2 but you can only choose different versions of terran, where some have stronger tanks and some have an interesting ghost spell and some can't build marauders.
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Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
January 30 2021 11:28 GMT
#31
It was weird how bad they were in the fundamentals. Like Hera spamming pylons way before population + floating money. And Reynor building lot of farms for no reason and not aging up but queueing many villagers.

Seems like they really haven't played the other game (except Viper) which is a bit strange.
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
January 31 2021 16:01 GMT
#32
Great tournament. I wonder if the Red Bull folks knew that AoE players probably wouldn't want to sit through an entire SC2 set in the middle of an AoE2 tourney, and same for SC2 players watching AoE. (Although myself and, it looks like, a lot of people do want to watch the full showmatch after watching the highlights.)

I love stuff like this. It makes me miss watching Archon games and other creative or just plain fun stuff at Red Bull Battlegrounds in the past. I'd love to know if they have any desire to have more players do for-fun crossovers with other modern RTS or older RTS like War1/War2, C&C, or even Dune 2.

I wonder if the folks at Red Bull would ever be up for facilitating an RTS event featuring multiple RTS, something like a mashup between Homestory Cup and HyperX Showdown. + Show Spoiler +
(If that was even the name of it, anyway it was an FGC thing a while back when HyperX invited a bunch of Street Fighter and Smash Bros. pro players together to play different fighting games as well as completely unrelated games like Jenga.)
Maybe in a pandemic-less future.

Anyway, fun showmatch and great games in the main tournament finals. Cool format as well (the Empire Wars mode combined with the tournament format), doing something I wanted to see in AoE3 a long long time ago. Super glad I had time to watch it today.
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