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Sweden33719 Posts
http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=sc-general&t=210968&p=1&#post210968
Unit Training Camp | 7/19/2007 7:29:51 PM GMTDT
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We have a lot of units going into StarCraft 2 right now. Many of these units you have already seen, others you havent had a chance to hear about yet. We have a few rules for our units:
1) A unit should have a cool personality. A unit must be something that is fun to play with.
2) A unit should have their own very unique role on the battlefield.
3) A unit should be fun for the enemy to try to deal with. Generally this means good strengths and interesting weaknesses.
Theres a lot more to it of course (how intuitive it is, will it balance well, etc) but thats the basics. Right now we have a lot of units on the Protoss. Not every Protoss unit you have heard about is going to make the cut. They are in training camp. We put them in the game and we see how they do. We compare them to some other units and see how much overlap there is between various units in the game. We compare units that are similar and then we make the call. Which unit is cooler? Which unit has a more unique role? Which unit is more fun to fight against?
Sometimes units will get cut. For example, the Soul Hunter is not going to show at Blizzcon. He appears to have failed his training period. He was kind of cool, but not cool enough. Some other units that you have seen are going through some significant changes. They have adapted and may yet survive. Thats how we do it. Being able to try units out before we decide if they are going to be in the game or not is a huge advantage for our development process and its an opportunity that not every developer gets. Well give you more specific information on the Protoss as we figure it out. Even what you see at Blizzcon will be work-in-progress. After Blizzcon things will most definitely continue to evolve.
-Cavez (Dustin Browder I think)
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Blizzard heard us I guess! Oh and Karune also responded regarding the Siege Tank, here: http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=sc-general&t=197971&p=1&#post197971
He just said that the complaints have been noted, so I guess it will be fixed (even though I must say it bothers me much less now than it did at first.. unlike the soul hunter, could have been a cool unit for another game I guess).
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Braavos36402 Posts
are they listening about the HT and DT models
BRING BACK THE DT CAPE PLZ
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HORAY!!! NO TOSS SURFING!!
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Woot! No more Soul Hunters! :D
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is awesome32281 Posts
Blizzard is amazing, i told you. You dont see game companies these days listening players as much as Blizzard does.
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remodel the Gunbound tank!!
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i'd like to thank the guys who took the time to constructively bitch in the blizzard forums (if any of you did) about the soul hunters. if blizzard did this because they lurked tl.net and other forums, they should be commended for proactively listening to the community.
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This is great news!
And like a previous poster said: Bring back the cape on the DT!
Terrans are MECHANIC! not PLASTIC! (supply depot, tank, CC, refinery)
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There is hope.
There is hope.
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AMEN. I still have some faith in blizzard =]
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The soul hunter wasn't THAT bad, but I guess it's good that it's out of the game... make room for a cooler unit!
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Haha @ the guy in that thread saying Protoss needs a new capital ship.
He must have forgotten that they are getting the mother fucking Mother-ship.
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I think the next goal should be to get rid of the googly eye looking tank...thing.
edit: not entirely before anybody jumps on my case, just the model. -_-
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On July 19 2007 11:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
are they listening about the HT and DT models
BRING BACK THE DT CAPE PLZ
I Second this idea
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They're just doing this so they can bring it back in the expansion 
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Canada7170 Posts
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Blizzard sometimes worries the community but they always come through and impress us  <3.
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well I didn't like the 3d models, and since it was notably unwelcome, let's say farewell. Now I hope, hey won't cut too much in new concepts and possibilities... will protoss have something of a another ground unit in place ?
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On July 19 2007 11:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
are they listening about the HT and DT models
BRING BACK THE DT CAPE PLZ
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United States44242 Posts
Blizzard are fucking awesome. I was fairly skeptical about SC2 until I saw this. They're fucking listening to fans. If Blizzard are this devoted to making a good game I'm sure it'll be fantastic.
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TRY LASER ME NOW SOUL HUNTER L0000000000000000LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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On July 19 2007 12:34 Kwark wrote:Blizzard are fucking awesome. I was fairly skeptical about SC2 until I saw this. They're fucking listening to fans. If Blizzard are this devoted to making a good game I'm sure it'll be fantastic.
who says that they listened to the fans?
they have their testing and if a unit fails it wont make it, pretty easy and has not much to do with the "fans".
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SWEET.
I love you Blizzard.
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They weren't listening to you guys.
It was their in game testing that found that unit wasn't good enough.
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On July 19 2007 12:48 quasi -QS- wrote:
They weren't listening to you guys.
It was their in game testing that found that unit wasn't good enough.
Of course, they say that because they must remain aloof.
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Netherlands1231 Posts
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On July 19 2007 12:09 SoleSteeler wrote:They're just doing this so they can bring it back in the expansion
QFT
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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i never thought i would say this about a gameing company, but OMG i just love blizzard now
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Im confused. I thought this was known already.
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Aaah, best news in a long time.
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On July 19 2007 12:23 teh leet newb wrote:
BRING BACK DARK ARCHON!
SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED post a thread on battle.net forum for this PLZ
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On July 19 2007 12:36 Scorpion wrote:
fucking rofl picture
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On July 19 2007 12:36 Scorpion wrote:
Awww I'm sad to see him go now.
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Netherlands19141 Posts
I'll repeat myself again in this thread, how can you not have faith in blizzard with this kind of checks and balances + feedback ;o.
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haha, they will propably cut all new units and get stuck with brood war in 3D cuz they cant balance it
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good
that shit was ugly and its attack was dumb.
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Impressive. Most impressive.
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On July 19 2007 12:36 Scorpion wrote:
LOL!
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On July 19 2007 13:37 ThePhan2m wrote:
haha, they will propably cut all new units and get stuck with brood war in 3D cuz they cant balance it
Lots of people will be fine with that, too 
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I'm just glad they aren't afraid to show us their process of development... it's tons of fun to see how things work and what changes. As long as they dont drop the reaver, defiler, or high temp.
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=( I kinda liked this unit.Too bad, But im sure its for the best.
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Why do you people want the DA back? Yeah, it had some neat abilities, but really, how often was it used? I don't want units that get barely any game time.
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Blizzard, thank you! You guys are awesome!
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Am I the only one slightly disappoint that we never even got to test him out? =/
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This is a symbolic gesture meant to restore our faith in Blizzard. This certainly gives us (the community) the feeling that our opinion is valued and there are not many companies (if any) that do the same thing.
The Soul Hunter was a crappy unit for a game like SC and dropping it was not that hard for the developers, but it turned out to be a good PR move too.
Good move Blizzard.
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Soul Hunters weren't that bad, Protoss needs a fast moving ground unit similar to the Terran vulture, but I can understand people not liking the surfboard.
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On July 19 2007 11:40 IntoTheWow wrote:
Blizzard is amazing, i told you. You dont see game companies these days listening players as much as Blizzard does.
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On July 19 2007 16:23 Dionyseus wrote:
Soul Hunters weren't that bad, Protoss needs a fast moving ground unit similar to the Terran vulture, but I can understand people not liking the surfboard.
And the Zealot is a fast moving ground unit. Faster now thanks to the charge ability. The only difference between vulture and Zealot is that the last one is a melee unit; but charge kinda fixes this too.
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bye bye pvz easy mode (speculated).
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On July 19 2007 11:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
are they listening about the HT and DT models
BRING BACK THE DT CAPE PLZ
Yeah, there's nothing more dreading than watching that swirly cloak run up a ramp and into a base with no detection =D
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Damn this makes me really eager to know what they'll come up with as a replacement.
Awesome to hear that they're taking all of the feedback in consideration, very reassuring.
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[QUOTE]On July 19 2007 13:45 Zeenix wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2007 12:36 Scorpion wrote:
[IMG]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/Sc0rpion10/SurfhunterRI.P.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
lmfao..
Great news!
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On July 19 2007 16:23 Dionyseus wrote:
Soul Hunters weren't that bad, Protoss needs a fast moving ground unit similar to the Terran vulture, but I can understand people not liking the surfboard.
stalker?
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I wonder how fast stalker will move in comparison to the fastest units in the game (across flat terrain to not give the stalker advantage over other ground units), if the player uses its blink ability every single time its up.
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FEWER LASERS?!
pew~~ T_T
>:D
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I LOVE YOU BLIZZARD...
This kind of stuff only happens to exceptional companies... I really really really appreciate this.
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1) A unit should have a cool personality. A unit must be something that is fun to play with.
2) A unit should have their own very unique role on the battlefield.
3) A unit should be fun for the enemy to try to deal with. Generally this means good strengths and interesting weaknesses.
blizzard gotta chop alot, if they are really honoring this.
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In Blizzard We Trust
I never liked soul hunter... good riddance.
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This is why I keep the faith.
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On July 19 2007 11:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
The soul hunter wasn't THAT bad, but I guess it's good that it's out of the game... make room for a cooler unit!
Yea it was, leveling up is ridiculous in an RTS. Especially starcraft. Im glad they took it out, beam weapons are for pussies anyway.
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Protoss has the super-powerful weapons and special abilities
Zerg has many high speed weak units.
Terran is in between.
If they are trying to make the races even more different I don't see why Protoss should have a high mobility hover unit thingy. Zealots are already fast enough as it is.
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On July 19 2007 18:41 fuglyfrog wrote:
Protoss has the super-powerful weapons and special abilities
Zerg has many high speed weak units.
Terran is in between.
If they are trying to make the races even more different I don't see why Protoss should have a high mobility hover unit thingy. Zealots are already fast enough as it is.
I think you're just throwing terran in the middle of the two because you're not 100% sure about them.
IMO what makes terran good is their efficiency... you know... bang for your buck.. so more kills per losses of units. Protoss also have very long-lived units... but compare the prices. The low cost of terran units is IMO what makes terran strong.
EDIT: sorry about offtopic 
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while i didn't actually mind the soul hunter that much (actually i always wanted a flying surfboard!1), i think it's great to see that they are definitely listening to their hardcore fanbase
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o thank god... BLIZZARD HAS GIVEN ME GREAT HOPE FOR SC2!!
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i don't understand why the soul hunter was so bad, wtf was wrong with it?
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On July 19 2007 19:04 Dave[9] wrote:
i don't understand why the soul hunter was so bad, wtf was wrong with it?
It made baby Jesus cry.
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Good news.
Why the hell do u want the dark archon back? I'll rather have a new unit
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blizzard is going to make sc2 pwn so bad we wont need a new sc game for 10 more years
i LOVE how well they take this feedback.. DAMN
the only problem is that since they are doing all these changes it will push back the release date a bit TT_TT
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Guys! They're not listening to our feedback. I mean, they are, but they're not just gonna take it out a unit because a bunch of people at TL think it's not protossy.
They actually test the units in a game, and see how they work, and what their role is -- rather than rejecting units outright. I'd rather see them govern units by this than simply pulling units out that the core SC fans hate, because then we'd have about 0 new units.
Did any of you actually read the message?
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Sweden33719 Posts
On July 19 2007 16:11 Woyn wrote:
Am I the only one slightly disappoint that we never even got to test him out? =/
Mm I wouldn't have minded seeing them at blizzcon since maybe we've all been dead wrong and they are fun, but at the same time - while I'm sure blizzard heard everyones complaints (come on.. from what we've seen of the unit, doesn't it look completely out of place in the protoss army?) they most likely wouldn't drop the unit if they didn't agree to some extent.
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now they just have to get rid of the mothership and peace will be restored
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Maybe he will be in the campaign editor, hidden and tucked away.
I don't see the problem with Blizzard just keeping every single unit they want to put in there and adding it for the UMS map makers. To me, that's part of SC's legacy is the maps people have made with what little they had to work with. If they gave us as much as they're making, plus the old units they removed, it would undoubtedly deliver them more customers.
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On July 19 2007 20:36 Aepplet wrote:
now they just have to get rid of the mothership and peace will be restored
Mothership is not a bad thing.
but I'm really hoping that it won't be used all that often.
It just shouldn't be a vital thing to the Protoss.
...so that when we see it in a pro game, it will get "AHHHHHH!!!!!!!" from Korean Commentators.
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i hope they do not make any other units that level ups.
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On July 19 2007 12:09 SoleSteeler wrote:They're just doing this so they can bring it back in the expansion
LOL
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THANK GOODNESS THE SOUL HUNTER IS OUT.... i think the ability sucked. the soul hunter is kind of gay
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eh.. i guess it just wasn't meant to be. i didn't mind the idea though =/ oh and .. CAPE PLZ.
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Sorry if i didn't check everyday the Starcraft2 Section, but what's the deal about the Soul hunter which as i see many complaint ?
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On July 19 2007 20:36 Aepplet wrote:
now they just have to get rid of the mothership and peace will be restored
amen motherfucker
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On July 21 2007 11:56 RaiZ wrote:
Sorry if i didn't check everyday the Starcraft2 Section, but what's the deal about the Soul hunter which as i see many complaint ?
He looks dumb.
And 'levels up' by killing units. He basically gets a second laser thingy after killing a certain number of units. It was dumb.
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On July 19 2007 13:30 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Awww I'm sad to see him go now.
Community: REMOVE SOUL HUNTER FROM THE GAME!!!!!1111
Blizzard: Ok.
Community:
Community: BRING BACK SOUL HUNTER!!!!111
Blizzard: ....
Blizzard: Fuck you!
*cancels SC2 and starts work on Diablo 3*
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
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BRING BACK MY SILVER SURFER UNIT!!!!
I WANT TO FANTASTIC FOUR THIS SHIT!!!!
*cries*
Viking would be human torch
Thor would be the Thing
Twilight archon would be Mr. Fantastic
And invisible woman? Well...KERRIGAN OF COURSE...cuz they made kerrigan hot...
=D
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kerrigan's all sexified now
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She's infested.
We need a hottie medic hero with giant chain gun.
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On July 25 2007 21:12 SuperJongMan wrote:
She's infested.
We need a hottie medic hero with giant chain gun.
Dont you like your girls infested and with a bad temper ._.? I do.
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United States20666 Posts
ehmmm... *furtive looks*
but raynor's all OLD now so we can't have raynor/kerri ;;
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On July 26 2007 04:16 Last Romantic wrote:
ehmmm... *furtive looks*
but raynor's all OLD now so we can't have raynor/kerri ;;
How about raynor + fenix ?
Or Kerrigan + Nova .____.
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+4 years is not so much IMO
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Raynor is not really that old, and fenix is dead.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/Sc0rpion10/RIPsoulhunter.gif)
![[image loading]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/Sc0rpion10/SurfhunterRI.P.gif)
