On April 14 2020 01:18 serralfan18 wrote: Serral is the best player of all time. Nobody is on his level right now. There has never been a player that has dominated in the scene as much as he has in any video game ever. Serral truly is the greatest esport athlete the world has ever seen.
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Look up the name Flash. He is the real greatest esport athlete in the world
MVP of this tournament was the guy/girl who chipped in 2k in the pool at the end, bringing the overall amount to almost 9k bucks gifted for a second (Stay@) HomeStoryCup!
Also congratz to Serral and Take! for another awesome run in our favorite past time activity (take that footi )
On April 13 2020 21:56 Dave4 wrote: Just came to read why Serrals latest championship doesn't mean anything like every other one he wins; thread did not disappoint.
Just to expand on this, you can look at the ESL opens for a direct representation of tournaments without serral:
Now if you take those really quite balanced results, and then insert serral, it would be a pretty safe bet they would swing violently in favor of zerg.
While it might seem weird, I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting the game to be balanced around the very top competitive level. After all, if Blizz clearly does some balance tweaks focused at the higher skill-levels, why can't that approach scale up to the very highest levels of play? Basically, it's as valid to say you want the game to be balanced for the top 10 players as it is to say you want it to be balanced for the top 100, or the top 1000.
I'm not saying I'm advocating for this right now, but from the POV of an esports fan and viewer (the majority of these forums), I don't see anything wrong with wanting the game to be balanced around the championship-tier.
The problem basically boils down to what brickrd wrote: No one knows if it's balance, or if the zerg players are actually better.
Serral and Dark are 2 standout players. I wouldn't put rogue or soo on the same level as them. If you balance the game around bringing players like Serral and Dark down, are you balancing the game, or "balancing" the players?
How does buffing a race to be able to beat Serral/Dark improve the game? Would tuning into a tournament to see Skillous bop Serral really be what players want to see?
I don't know how many people watched the Inno vs Serral replays, but Serrals macro was unbelievable. Innovation is famous before being a macro machine, and Serral out-macro'd him. He didn't do anything special or abusive, he just... played better
Dude, it's no longer April 1.
Zest, trap, and stats are standout players. Blizzard has had no problem 'balancing' the game around them.
I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
On April 15 2020 01:33 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
I think Neeb bopped him a couple of times, but maybe not by more than 2 maps. At 2018 WESG it was 0:2 if I remember correctly. Maru was probably the last player to crush Serral in a brutal, almost embarrassing manner. The 3:0 at WESG even included a game where Maru won with around 4 SCVs left after Serral cheesed him. Than there was that awkward moment where Time almost 3:0 Serral but he felt apart in the end and lost the series.
On April 13 2020 21:56 Dave4 wrote: Just came to read why Serrals latest championship doesn't mean anything like every other one he wins; thread did not disappoint.
Just to expand on this, you can look at the ESL opens for a direct representation of tournaments without serral:
Now if you take those really quite balanced results, and then insert serral, it would be a pretty safe bet they would swing violently in favor of zerg.
While it might seem weird, I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting the game to be balanced around the very top competitive level. After all, if Blizz clearly does some balance tweaks focused at the higher skill-levels, why can't that approach scale up to the very highest levels of play? Basically, it's as valid to say you want the game to be balanced for the top 10 players as it is to say you want it to be balanced for the top 100, or the top 1000.
I'm not saying I'm advocating for this right now, but from the POV of an esports fan and viewer (the majority of these forums), I don't see anything wrong with wanting the game to be balanced around the championship-tier.
The problem basically boils down to what brickrd wrote: No one knows if it's balance, or if the zerg players are actually better.
Serral and Dark are 2 standout players. I wouldn't put rogue or soo on the same level as them. If you balance the game around bringing players like Serral and Dark down, are you balancing the game, or "balancing" the players?
How does buffing a race to be able to beat Serral/Dark improve the game? Would tuning into a tournament to see Skillous bop Serral really be what players want to see?
I don't know how many people watched the Inno vs Serral replays, but Serrals macro was unbelievable. Innovation is famous before being a macro machine, and Serral out-macro'd him. He didn't do anything special or abusive, he just... played better
Dude, it's no longer April 1.
Zest, trap, and stats are standout players. Blizzard has had no problem 'balancing' the game around them.
yeah this. there's absolutely no reason to assume Dark/Serral are just better than Zest/Trap or Maru/Inno and in previous cases when single terran or protoss players were dominating the nerf bat came always pretty fast. They are just reluctant to nerf Zerg right now because they want to benefit from the Serral foreigner hype train.
On April 13 2020 21:56 Dave4 wrote: Just came to read why Serrals latest championship doesn't mean anything like every other one he wins; thread did not disappoint.
Just to expand on this, you can look at the ESL opens for a direct representation of tournaments without serral:
Now if you take those really quite balanced results, and then insert serral, it would be a pretty safe bet they would swing violently in favor of zerg.
While it might seem weird, I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting the game to be balanced around the very top competitive level. After all, if Blizz clearly does some balance tweaks focused at the higher skill-levels, why can't that approach scale up to the very highest levels of play? Basically, it's as valid to say you want the game to be balanced for the top 10 players as it is to say you want it to be balanced for the top 100, or the top 1000.
I'm not saying I'm advocating for this right now, but from the POV of an esports fan and viewer (the majority of these forums), I don't see anything wrong with wanting the game to be balanced around the championship-tier.
The problem basically boils down to what brickrd wrote: No one knows if it's balance, or if the zerg players are actually better.
Serral and Dark are 2 standout players. I wouldn't put rogue or soo on the same level as them. If you balance the game around bringing players like Serral and Dark down, are you balancing the game, or "balancing" the players?
How does buffing a race to be able to beat Serral/Dark improve the game? Would tuning into a tournament to see Skillous bop Serral really be what players want to see?
I don't know how many people watched the Inno vs Serral replays, but Serrals macro was unbelievable. Innovation is famous before being a macro machine, and Serral out-macro'd him. He didn't do anything special or abusive, he just... played better
Dude, it's no longer April 1.
Zest, trap, and stats are standout players. Blizzard has had no problem 'balancing' the game around them.
yeah this. there's absolutely no reason to assume Dark/Serral are just better than Zest/Trap or Maru/Inno and in previous cases when single terran or protoss players were dominating the nerf bat came always pretty fast. They are just reluctant to nerf Zerg right now because they want to benefit from the Serral foreigner hype train.
This relies heavily on the dream that blizzard cares about sc2 at all
On April 15 2020 01:33 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
I think Neeb bopped him a couple of times, but maybe not by more than 2 maps. At 2018 WESG it was 0:2 if I remember correctly. Maru was probably the last player to crush Serral in a brutal, almost embarrassing manner. The 3:0 at WESG even included a game where Maru won with around 4 SCVs left after Serral cheesed him. Than there was that awkward moment where Time almost 3:0 Serral but he felt apart in the end and lost the series.
You might be thinking of a different tournament...Serral didn't play in WESG 2016, after the Maru bop at WESG 2017 Serral lost 4-3 in the finals to Inno at WESG 2018, and WESG 2019 hasn't happened yet.
On April 12 2020 21:14 sneakyfox wrote: It's not actually Serral's fourth HSC victory in a row, because it wasn't actually a HSC. Let's not equate online cups with the very unique offline spectacle that the HSC is. So congrats to Serral with his first Stay At HomeStory Cup championship
Big thanks to the organizers and casters for the event. Hope you spread it out over a few more days next time.
Yeah and the huge amount of zergs over performing the past years is just a complete coincidence.
On April 13 2020 21:56 Dave4 wrote: Just came to read why Serrals latest championship doesn't mean anything like every other one he wins; thread did not disappoint.
Just to expand on this, you can look at the ESL opens for a direct representation of tournaments without serral:
Now if you take those really quite balanced results, and then insert serral, it would be a pretty safe bet they would swing violently in favor of zerg.
While it might seem weird, I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting the game to be balanced around the very top competitive level. After all, if Blizz clearly does some balance tweaks focused at the higher skill-levels, why can't that approach scale up to the very highest levels of play? Basically, it's as valid to say you want the game to be balanced for the top 10 players as it is to say you want it to be balanced for the top 100, or the top 1000.
I'm not saying I'm advocating for this right now, but from the POV of an esports fan and viewer (the majority of these forums), I don't see anything wrong with wanting the game to be balanced around the championship-tier.
The problem basically boils down to what brickrd wrote: No one knows if it's balance, or if the zerg players are actually better.
Serral and Dark are 2 standout players. I wouldn't put rogue or soo on the same level as them. If you balance the game around bringing players like Serral and Dark down, are you balancing the game, or "balancing" the players?
How does buffing a race to be able to beat Serral/Dark improve the game? Would tuning into a tournament to see Skillous bop Serral really be what players want to see?
I don't know how many people watched the Inno vs Serral replays, but Serrals macro was unbelievable. Innovation is famous before being a macro machine, and Serral out-macro'd him. He didn't do anything special or abusive, he just... played better
Dude, it's no longer April 1.
Zest, trap, and stats are standout players. Blizzard has had no problem 'balancing' the game around them.
yeah this. there's absolutely no reason to assume Dark/Serral are just better than Zest/Trap or Maru/Inno and in previous cases when single terran or protoss players were dominating the nerf bat came always pretty fast. They are just reluctant to nerf Zerg right now because they want to benefit from the Serral foreigner hype train.
This relies heavily on the dream that blizzard cares about sc2 at all
Pretty much this. It's delusional to think that Blizzard gives one iota about fanciful foreigner hype bias for a game they support more for legacy than any real financials at this point.
On April 15 2020 01:33 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
I think Neeb bopped him a couple of times, but maybe not by more than 2 maps. At 2018 WESG it was 0:2 if I remember correctly. Maru was probably the last player to crush Serral in a brutal, almost embarrassing manner. The 3:0 at WESG even included a game where Maru won with around 4 SCVs left after Serral cheesed him. Than there was that awkward moment where Time almost 3:0 Serral but he felt apart in the end and lost the series.
You might be thinking of a different tournament...Serral didn't play in WESG 2016, after the Maru bop at WESG 2017 Serral lost 4-3 in the finals to Inno at WESG 2018, and WESG 2019 hasn't happened yet.
Serral lost at WESG 2018 in the Groupstage to Neeb 0-2
On April 15 2020 01:33 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
I think Neeb bopped him a couple of times, but maybe not by more than 2 maps. At 2018 WESG it was 0:2 if I remember correctly. Maru was probably the last player to crush Serral in a brutal, almost embarrassing manner. The 3:0 at WESG even included a game where Maru won with around 4 SCVs left after Serral cheesed him. Than there was that awkward moment where Time almost 3:0 Serral but he felt apart in the end and lost the series.
You might be thinking of a different tournament...Serral didn't play in WESG 2016, after the Maru bop at WESG 2017 Serral lost 4-3 in the finals to Inno at WESG 2018, and WESG 2019 hasn't happened yet.
Serral lost at WESG 2018 in the Groupstage to Neeb 0-2
Fair enough, I didn't look through all the group stages, figured it didn't much matter since he made it out but that doesn't make you less right.
On April 15 2020 01:33 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
I think Neeb bopped him a couple of times, but maybe not by more than 2 maps. At 2018 WESG it was 0:2 if I remember correctly. Maru was probably the last player to crush Serral in a brutal, almost embarrassing manner. The 3:0 at WESG even included a game where Maru won with around 4 SCVs left after Serral cheesed him. Than there was that awkward moment where Time almost 3:0 Serral but he felt apart in the end and lost the series.
You might be thinking of a different tournament...Serral didn't play in WESG 2016, after the Maru bop at WESG 2017 Serral lost 4-3 in the finals to Inno at WESG 2018, and WESG 2019 hasn't happened yet.
what are you talking about? The WESG started in 2017. Serral lost to Maru in 2018 and WESG 2019 was won by Innovation
On April 15 2020 01:33 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
I think Neeb bopped him a couple of times, but maybe not by more than 2 maps. At 2018 WESG it was 0:2 if I remember correctly. Maru was probably the last player to crush Serral in a brutal, almost embarrassing manner. The 3:0 at WESG even included a game where Maru won with around 4 SCVs left after Serral cheesed him. Than there was that awkward moment where Time almost 3:0 Serral but he felt apart in the end and lost the series.
You might be thinking of a different tournament...Serral didn't play in WESG 2016, after the Maru bop at WESG 2017 Serral lost 4-3 in the finals to Inno at WESG 2018, and WESG 2019 hasn't happened yet.
what are you talking about? The WESG started in 2017. Serral lost to Maru in 2018 and WESG 2019 was won by Innovation
their tournament naming is.. confusing. Since they start qualifiers in the autumn of a specific year, but play finals in the March of the next year. But they use the Year # of when the qualifiers began: thus the WESG 2018 grand finals was played in 2019.
On April 15 2020 01:33 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
I think Neeb bopped him a couple of times, but maybe not by more than 2 maps. At 2018 WESG it was 0:2 if I remember correctly. Maru was probably the last player to crush Serral in a brutal, almost embarrassing manner. The 3:0 at WESG even included a game where Maru won with around 4 SCVs left after Serral cheesed him. Than there was that awkward moment where Time almost 3:0 Serral but he felt apart in the end and lost the series.
You might be thinking of a different tournament...Serral didn't play in WESG 2016, after the Maru bop at WESG 2017 Serral lost 4-3 in the finals to Inno at WESG 2018, and WESG 2019 hasn't happened yet.
what are you talking about? The WESG started in 2017. Serral lost to Maru in 2018 and WESG 2019 was won by Innovation
No WESG 2019 hasn't happen yet, they always run a year back for some reason.
I kinda watched the German and English streams in parallel this time. While the English one was of course a more neutral professional cast, Take and Naruto really kept the Homestory Cup vibe alive on their end, was really fun to watch
On April 15 2020 01:33 ScrappyRabbit wrote: I'm more of a Maru guy, but Serral is freakishly consistent. Not only does he get to at least the semis of pretty much every tournament he DOESN'T win, but it goes even further than that: The 2019 WCS Summer Finals, when he lost 4-2 to Reynor, was the only match in a premier tournament he's lost by more than one map since WESG 2017. The man is simply un-boppable. (If I'm forgetting a tournament, please let me know.)
I think Neeb bopped him a couple of times, but maybe not by more than 2 maps. At 2018 WESG it was 0:2 if I remember correctly. Maru was probably the last player to crush Serral in a brutal, almost embarrassing manner. The 3:0 at WESG even included a game where Maru won with around 4 SCVs left after Serral cheesed him. Than there was that awkward moment where Time almost 3:0 Serral but he felt apart in the end and lost the series.
Cool point! It is indeed freakishly rare for Serral to lose more than 1 map. MarianoSC2 covers some big examples. That Maru series was shocking! But I recall one additional recent occasion as well. At IEM Katowice 2020, Serral lost 2-0 to the Korean Protoss, Hurricane.
It was drawn to my attention that Serral had already earned a ticket out of his group when this series happened - indeed he won the group and it was possible his motivation was low . But I don't want to take anything away from Hurricane, he pulled off some cool strats and beat one of the best and perhaps most consistently best players of the current era.
EPT
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