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samsim
Profile Joined December 2019
United States26 Posts
April 09 2020 08:59 GMT
#21
Maru's bunker was not built to create a wall initially. The wall (consisting of engineering bays, a supply depot and the already-made bunker) was built around the bunker when Maru spotted adept shades coming for his natural expansion.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20328 Posts
April 09 2020 09:20 GMT
#22
On April 09 2020 17:50 Vision_ wrote:
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On April 09 2020 17:07 Cyro wrote:
Dedicated static defense is just expensive. When they build structures like supply depots or engineering bays, these structures must be built anyway so it's considered better to use them as defensive walls than to just put them in a corner somewhere.


In the idea of keeping buildings useful, you re right but i m now questionning if they haven t stop to use enginerring bay like that ?? We ll see, but it remains a default solution since you take risks to cancel your upgrade (especially with enginerring bay)


Yeah that can suck. It helps more often than it hurts though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
April 09 2020 09:21 GMT
#23
these threads seriously keep getting better and better
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 09 2020 09:22 GMT
#24
Keep it up Vision, don't let the haters stop you
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 09:31:20
April 09 2020 09:29 GMT
#25
Yeah, really it's a joke how shit people have gotten on TL. Let the dude ask a damn question. It's understandable without much trouble.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Haukinger
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany131 Posts
April 09 2020 11:22 GMT
#26
I'd take this a step further and make buildings stop shots (direct fire, that is, sieged tanks or corrosive bile isn't affected), so one has to build a bunker in the wall to shoot units outside the wall (from inside the bunker).
rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
338 Posts
April 09 2020 11:53 GMT
#27
It's pretty sad to see folks making fun of this guy for his English. His English is totally fine, and he will only improve if he continues to practice. Whether his SC2 analysis is on par is a different matter.

If you have friends or family who speak English as a second language, you know that many people have insecurities about their English language skills. We should be encouraging people to practice in other languages, not making fun of their attempts to do so.

Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
April 09 2020 12:12 GMT
#28
This is the G00D content on this site, give me more!

On April 09 2020 17:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:
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On April 09 2020 16:01 fastr wrote:
Add to this the world class smugness of French people and their perceived superiority of the French language over English (or any other one for that matter),


That's very weird about France and other European countries, IMO. It's like they see England as a rival so many people deliberately don't want to answer you in English, even if you're a tourist there and they do know English and have the option to reply to you in English (but they decide not to reply to you because of their disdain for English). Of course, as a tourist, if you're traveling throughout Europe, it's impossible to master the language of every country you visit.

Outside of Europe, this problem isn't as prevalent. Most people understand that English is the international language of communication and usually, they will do their best to reply to you in English if you're a tourist. It's just some European countries where some people don't like to reply to you in English, even if they understand you and their English is good enough to reply to you.


You think so? In my experience its often either A) they want to practice their English skills with you and actively seek conversation or B) they are too embarrassed about their English skills so actively avoid it. Once I had a relationship with a girl that didn't talk to me in English because she was too embarrassed about her skills. Needless to say it didn't last very long.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
April 09 2020 12:27 GMT
#29
On April 09 2020 20:53 rwala wrote:
It's pretty sad to see folks making fun of this guy for his English. His English is totally fine, and he will only improve if he continues to practice. Whether his SC2 analysis is on par is a different matter.

If you have friends or family who speak English as a second language, you know that many people have insecurities about their English language skills. We should be encouraging people to practice in other languages, not making fun of their attempts to do so.



Oh I agree, we should encourage him to post more! And its not really Visions English that is so funny... He is the whole package, one of the best shitposters/trolls if not the best on this site. I am looking forward to all his posts, a good laugh always makes a day nicer.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
338 Posts
April 09 2020 12:32 GMT
#30
On April 09 2020 21:27 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2020 20:53 rwala wrote:
It's pretty sad to see folks making fun of this guy for his English. His English is totally fine, and he will only improve if he continues to practice. Whether his SC2 analysis is on par is a different matter.

If you have friends or family who speak English as a second language, you know that many people have insecurities about their English language skills. We should be encouraging people to practice in other languages, not making fun of their attempts to do so.



Oh I agree, we should encourage him to post more! And its not really Visions English that is so funny... He is the whole package, one of the best shitposters/trolls if not the best on this site. I am looking forward to all his posts, a good laugh always makes a day nicer.


Oh I didn't know he was joking (I was like hmmm...I'm a pretty bad SC2 player, but even I understand these bunker/wall dynamics). That's some advanced trolling right there! I still don't like trashing him for his English tho.
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
April 09 2020 13:05 GMT
#31
The problem isn't really his english, although it certainly doesn't help that it's legitimately difficult to understand what he's even saying. The probelm really is that he just keeps making these threads of balance suggestions or strategy suggestions that just don't even make sense, over and over and over again. Basically as far as I can tell from the post (which again is very difficult for me to understand), he's suggesting that T players should make a bunker in their wall because it helps them..control the map? Somehow? Not sure.

He's also made threads suggesting that combatshield should give more HP and stim should give less of an attack speed buff, comparing the timing of completely separate builds from HotS and LotV as if it means something significant, suggesting removing the ability for creep tumors to expand without a queen, and several other threads that I can't decipher the point of at all, if there even is one. I'm about 80% sure at this point that he's trolling.
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
April 09 2020 13:09 GMT
#32
On April 09 2020 21:32 rwala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2020 21:27 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2020 20:53 rwala wrote:
It's pretty sad to see folks making fun of this guy for his English. His English is totally fine, and he will only improve if he continues to practice. Whether his SC2 analysis is on par is a different matter.

If you have friends or family who speak English as a second language, you know that many people have insecurities about their English language skills. We should be encouraging people to practice in other languages, not making fun of their attempts to do so.



Oh I agree, we should encourage him to post more! And its not really Visions English that is so funny... He is the whole package, one of the best shitposters/trolls if not the best on this site. I am looking forward to all his posts, a good laugh always makes a day nicer.


Oh I didn't know he was joking (I was like hmmm...I'm a pretty bad SC2 player, but even I understand these bunker/wall dynamics). That's some advanced trolling right there! I still don't like trashing him for his English tho.


I'm pretty convinced he's completely serious dude.

I regret veering this thread towards English speaking. You're totally right, We (I) shouldn't trash him for his English. But we should and will make fun of his ludicrous ideas about the game.

I agree with everyone though, like I said in his first thread, please keep them coming, this is by far the most entertaining content on the TL forums lately.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
April 09 2020 16:27 GMT
#33
On April 09 2020 22:09 fastr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2020 21:32 rwala wrote:
On April 09 2020 21:27 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2020 20:53 rwala wrote:
It's pretty sad to see folks making fun of this guy for his English. His English is totally fine, and he will only improve if he continues to practice. Whether his SC2 analysis is on par is a different matter.

If you have friends or family who speak English as a second language, you know that many people have insecurities about their English language skills. We should be encouraging people to practice in other languages, not making fun of their attempts to do so.



Oh I agree, we should encourage him to post more! And its not really Visions English that is so funny... He is the whole package, one of the best shitposters/trolls if not the best on this site. I am looking forward to all his posts, a good laugh always makes a day nicer.


Oh I didn't know he was joking (I was like hmmm...I'm a pretty bad SC2 player, but even I understand these bunker/wall dynamics). That's some advanced trolling right there! I still don't like trashing him for his English tho.


I'm pretty convinced he's completely serious dude.

I regret veering this thread towards English speaking. You're totally right, We (I) shouldn't trash him for his English. But we should and will make fun of his ludicrous ideas about the game.

I agree with everyone though, like I said in his first thread, please keep them coming, this is by far the most entertaining content on the TL forums lately.


Man your response (especially the screenshot part) killed me, I am still laughing inside :D
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
April 09 2020 17:06 GMT
#34
This thread is golden
Less is more.
Apom
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
France656 Posts
April 09 2020 17:16 GMT
#35
On April 10 2020 02:06 insitelol wrote:
This thread is golden

Vision does set the golden standard of a troll post.

I am not saying he is trolling. In fact, I am exactly 50% torn between "this is too exaggerated to be true, he must be a troll" and "nobody would put that much effort into a troll post, he must be serious". And that 50% is the perfect balance any troll would want to achieve. But again, it's the perfect balance because someone who is not trolling can equally achieve it!
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
April 09 2020 17:17 GMT
#36
ofc he is a troll lol
Less is more.
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
April 09 2020 18:03 GMT
#37
Let me quote Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
wushengshabi
Profile Joined April 2020
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 19:33:41
April 09 2020 18:05 GMT
#38
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Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden592 Posts
April 10 2020 07:20 GMT
#39
On April 09 2020 22:05 Psychonian wrote:
he's suggesting that T players should make a bunker in their wall because it helps them..control the map? Somehow? Not sure.

My take on it is that with a bunker, there will be a lesser need for units at home. Instead of 10 marines, 4 will suffice. This means that a small troop would be able to wrest for map control.

I am wondering about the timings and effects in the different match ups.
Important notices:
A) bunkers cost resources.
B) tanks/cyclones are usually what repels an aggressor.
C) medivacs or tanks almost always accompany the first bio moving out.
D) 4-6 hellions moving out are not affected by this. Hellions move out as soon as they are created.
E) reaper scout happens before this matters.

Looking at D, this post cannot be about generally being out on the map early. This is 1) specifically bio or 2) a more dangerous mech battalion.
If it is 2), then this is like point C. You need to wait for higher tier. This means that you are at home and there is no need for the extra bunker.

So, I have reasoned my way to understand this as a bio move out before tanks. This could mean 1) delaying making tanks at all, rushing starport or 2) investing in a dedicated bio push. These two option both rule out point B) and are leaving the base reliant on newly produced units as defense.

Looking at this 1), we see this quite often. People rush medivac and pick up every bio unit and boost across the map, leaving the base defenceless. Having the extra bunker AND extra units inside would have a negative impact on this. Meaning this is not what Vision intended.
Therefore 2), should be the intention of Vision. We already see players do this from time to time, though. Does Vision want this to happen more often?

The downside of the bunker while doing a dedicated push is point A). With the bunker, the push is weaker.

Conclusion: changing bunker build time would not have the intended effect. There is no current build that would have a benefit that Vision claims to want.
This is without taking match ups into consideration.
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Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-10 09:01:55
April 10 2020 08:56 GMT
#40
terran can make a wall anywhere on the map, so my theory is that vision is suggesting rushing a bunch of scv across the map to wall in zerg's natural with depots and a bunker before he can spread creep. this will accomplish the stated goal of map control by physically preventing the zerg from ever leaving his base until he makes ravagers, banelings, spines, or anything else t1.5 or above
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